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CLYDEBANK29
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Sorry if this has been mentioned in the Magician thread but using the figures provided to get the salient figures you have to strip out the World Cup.   The World Cup has been mentioned in each of the last two annual reports as highly significant the figures quoted by Magician bear that out.

Stripping out soccer as it was the World Cup in 2010  you end up with these figures:           
                                                                 
2010 2nd July to 18th July................1,170,027,734     
2010 19th July to 4th August............1,133,774,539     
fall over period.......................................36,253,195   
percentage fall........................................3.1%
                                                                             
2011 1st July to 17th July.................1,452,816,636     
2011 18th July to 3rd August............1,169,962,242     
fall over period.....................................282,854,394
percentage fall.......................................19.5%
                                                                               
stripping out the World Cup up to the 18th July turnover increased by 24% in 2011 compared to 2010 so the trend was up.  Yet after the PC was introduced turnover has fallen by over 6 times the figure than it did in 2010.  On the face of it highly significant.

Significantly ALL categories show a decline or smaller increase  vis a vis 2011 to 2010.
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Report Contrarian August 21, 2011 4:09 PM BST
funkymonkey,

And worst of all, he doesn't even bet!
Report bf_fananatic August 21, 2011 4:09 PM BST
I have worked harder than most to stand up for betfair because I am sick of negative nonsense
from the same group that continually use the company forum to insult betfair
I want betfair to continue its good work and growth and look forward to paying any charges
they want from me as there worth every penny, i will not be going to any poor exchanges
as I believe in using the best and as for my 1000 posts well what ever I do in life
I try my best and hardest and this is what betfair are trying to do so we come from the same
mould.
Report puppyfat August 21, 2011 4:16 PM BST
Pathetic
Report funkymonkey August 21, 2011 4:18 PM BST
Contrarian,

Yes, I agree, that is the worst aspect of all.

I was one of the few who didnt want to block him, because i felt everyone deserves a voice, no matter how much i may disagree with it.

But this little incident today is a new low.
Report bf_fananatic August 21, 2011 4:24 PM BST
If you hate the truth then block me, it will aid your denial
Report Mr.Angry August 21, 2011 4:31 PM BST
The best thing you can do is close this account and come back with a new forum name (or just change it yourself).
Report inner city sumo August 21, 2011 4:46 PM BST
I love the fact that Betfair thought a nutjob spouting non sequiturs on the forum was the way forward on this issue.
Report bf_fananatic August 21, 2011 4:49 PM BST
With over 3 million customers how come its only the same 20-30 nutjobs that keep slagging betfair off
on this forum?
Report inner city sumo August 21, 2011 4:51 PM BST
Give it up. It's over. You're embarrassing Betfair. Laugh
Report bf_fananatic August 21, 2011 4:52 PM BST
Anti betfair nut jobs list

1....the presidente
2....slartbartfast
3....inner city sumo
4....nairda
5....mr angry
6....duncan disordeli
7....weatherman2004
Report bf_fananatic August 21, 2011 4:52 PM BST
shame on you
Report inner city sumo August 21, 2011 4:52 PM BST
Laugh
Report bf_fananatic August 21, 2011 4:55 PM BST
If you cant stand the heat get out the kitchen, the purple fantasyland will settle your
un-pro bets for you
Report Mr.Angry August 21, 2011 4:56 PM BST
Love Betfair?
Bend Over.
Report weatherman2004 August 21, 2011 4:57 PM BST
Laugh
Report inner city sumo August 21, 2011 4:57 PM BST
I hope the city and the journalists are keeping an eye on these threads. What an absolute own goal. Laugh
Report bf_fananatic August 21, 2011 4:59 PM BST
Hey we have had some fun anyway, blings up a boring sunday[;)]
Report bf_fananatic August 21, 2011 5:02 PM BST
BFF is becoming as much a household name on betfair as the humble blue bottle, only not as welcome,
swat[smiley:crazy]
Report weatherman2004 August 21, 2011 5:02 PM BST
Why am I only at number 7?

I don't post much, but pretty much all of it is directed against you.

I demand to be higher.
Report weatherman2004 August 21, 2011 5:25 PM BST
5pm shift change....waiting for the new one to clock on....
Report stewarty b August 21, 2011 5:27 PM BST
Has Duncan actually been banned?
Report Mr.Angry August 21, 2011 5:36 PM BST
If Duncan has been banned, I'm never using this forum again.
Report nairda August 21, 2011 5:50 PM BST
LaughLaughi never been so happy in my life Laugh

Anti betfair nut jobs list

1....the presidente
2....slartbartfast
3....inner city sumo
4....nairda
5....mr angry
6....duncan disordeli
7....weatherman2004
Report nairda August 21, 2011 5:54 PM BST
Why am I only at number 7?

I don't post much, but pretty much all of it is directed against you.

I demand to be higher.



LaughLaugh weatherman, it not what you say that counts, but how many times you post...BFF has made 1000 post 1 month
Report saint-pilgrim August 21, 2011 8:03 PM BST
Mates,

Any way that those that spent the weekend elsewhere can know what was deleted (and showed the truth)?

br
Report TheInvestor2 August 21, 2011 9:07 PM BST
Eddie the eagle
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I think anyone thinking Betfair want PC payers to go are wrong.
I think Betfair want them all to stay. They just want more of their earnings.
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CLYDEBANK29
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I disagree DD.  Liquidity providers are the most important customers on the exchange and I'd be confident Betfair recognise that.  They don't want them to leave (unless they are cheats and possibly courtsiders).  They based the charge on the premise that most won't leave because the exchange model facilitates a natural (BF) monopoly and that there was enough slack to be filled by those unaffected. 

Off out now.


To address the above, it's obvious to me that Betfair's most important customers are the large group of leisure punters, although on an account by account basis the liquidity providers will indeed come out at the top. Agree with Eddie that bf just want more of winners earnings.

Don't agree that real liquidity providers won't stay though. Some will leave obviously, but this charge has been calculated by Betfair in a way that answers the question "How can we charge as much as possible without a large increase in account closures that negates the increased income from charges".


Feck N. Eejit
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As for the liquidity providers being the lifeblood of the exchange, well yes I know they are but I`ll bet my boots they aren`t coughing up 60% or 40% or whatever figure.

I'd bet the main liquidity providers are already paying 40%+ in normal commission. If they weren't the minimum pc2 rate would've been set at whatever level accommodated them. The bulk of horse racing liquidity is supplied by two main players (the Hong Kong mob and the big oz player). Betfair's attitude to other pc2 liquidity providers is probably that they're chasing the same value the big two are (I don't think that's always true - I'm certain it's not in my case) so it doesn't matter if they leave as the big 2 will just fill the gap. I think that's a mistake though as, unlike the Ferengi and the cheats, they can boost liquidity elsewhere and I also don't think it's a given that those paying pc's are the only ones affected by it.

My main problem with betfair is not so much with the level of the charges (if the exchange was government run I wouldn't have any problem at all charge wise) it's the fact they've dragged exchange betting into the city gutter.


I agree that the biggest liquidity providers are almost certainly already paying 40%+ of GP. I can't say I agree with the statement : "If they weren't the minimum pc2 rate would've been set at whatever level accommodated them." though.

No matter how important these liquidity providers are to Betfair, the same logic applies to them as to the rest of us smaller winners. Betfair can charge them up to the amount where it still makes sense for them to provide liquidity.
Report Feck N. Eejit August 22, 2011 11:57 AM BST
No matter how important these liquidity providers are to Betfair, the same logic applies to them as to the rest of us smaller winners. Betfair can charge them up to the amount where it still makes sense for them to provide liquidity.

But there would also be a crossover point where it would make sense for them to provide liquidity elsewhere. Avoiding that would imo be betfair's aim.
Report hazel August 22, 2011 12:26 PM BST
the 60% charge is clearly designed to shut down those clients, otherwise why not charge them 40% if this is deemed as being the safe point for betfair to keep liquidity.
Report Feck N. Eejit August 22, 2011 12:56 PM BST
I think the 50 & 60% rates recognise that those users don't have an alternative and could do no real damage if they did cross over. Shell and pea liquidity might be the exception but unless all of them to a man crossed over the remainder (or betfair themselves) would just take up the slack.
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 1:07 PM BST
Hazel if you had at least half a business minded brain you would do the research and fully
understand that the following conditions are true and contrary to your stated belief.

condition 1 >>>There is no other sporting betting site that will offer the same liquidity in average markets to persistent winners.

condition 2 >>>The nearest equivalent exchanges liquidity is realistically not even 10% that of betfairs and cant match betfairs current volume of growth

condition 3 >>>Charging customers charges is to pay for a service that that particular
type of  customer receives from a company actually creates a bond to that customer fiscally
and in no way suggests them to stop making the superior profits they can only receive in this case from betfair.

It in noway implies to shut down winners.

condition 4 >>>At the current rate of growth payers of the pc2 charge will make the same amount of profit in 3 years time as before pc2 thus by paying charges to the company possible further enhancements, new customers, new offers will aid the company growth and liquidity.

condition 5 >>>Unless you are defeatist or inept you should be able to broaden your type of
betting and volumes to increase your profits to compensate for the charge.

All these points I have mentioned many times not because I am a betfair staff member which I am
not
but because I have always been a Researching type of gambler thats has admired the betfair
exchange success story since its introduction and the charge doesn't directly effect me yet but
having researched greyhound racing and concluded that it is very lucrative It wont be a problem
offsetting the charge compared to any profit I have projected by researching horse racing, football
etc. The main obstacle only to winning on here is the amount of time and thought horse power available to use to construct an edge.

Charges should not prevent you from making the biggest profits
possible on any betting platform in the world.
Report stewarty b August 22, 2011 2:13 PM BST
All these points I have mentioned many times not because I am a betfair staff member which I am
not but because I have always been a Researching type of gambler thats has admired the betfair
exchange success story since its introduction and the charge doesn't directly effect me yet




If what you say is true, why wait all this time to post your views on almost every thread? Why didn't you start poting when PC1 was inroduced?
Report stewarty b August 22, 2011 2:13 PM BST
*posting.
Report stewarty b August 22, 2011 2:14 PM BST
*introduced. ffs
Report GoldCoastinvestor August 22, 2011 2:28 PM BST
Charges should not prevent you from making the biggest profits
possible on any betting platform in the world.



Well what if that charge becomes 100%


I've thought from the first day BFF reared his head here in the height of the PC debate, that he works for BF, seriously why would anyone not associated with BF spend the time BFF does on here defending ánd campaigning for the PC?

In many of your comments you state information and terminology that clearly the average joe would have no idea about unless he worked for the company at a senior level????

So what psotion in BF do you hold cause its plain as day that you aren't just an average joe off the street.
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 2:30 PM BST
Well Stewart thats a good question, I suppose i didn't then feel that pc1 was a major obstacle to making a profit and I suppose pc2 could be seen to be inhibitive to making profit more so but in my case though it may be different for others I cant use the duckpond as there liquidity on greyhound races is dire looking today £1,200 at 3 races which is equivalent to £400 at betfairs matched values due to there bias matching system , on betfair these races attracted £18,000/£15,000/£14,000 which is over 30 times the liquidity on offer than the duckpond, unless I intend to bet peanuts in which case I will never hit a pc2 charge I am much better off using betfair and paying them the charges and as for there new 1bet system how on earth can that stand up to persistent winners that could place profitable bets that might equal all the liquidity of the dog race, surely they will boot out persistent winners in the old bookmaker style of rejectionCry
Report CLYDEBANK29 August 22, 2011 2:36 PM BST
No offence meant but I don't think bffanatic holds down a regular job, let alone works for Betfair.
Report stewarty b August 22, 2011 2:40 PM BST
surely they will boot out persistent winners in the old bookmaker style of rejectionCry



No, they wont do that because they have a limit as to how much you can back on each horse, and they have the ability, no doubt, to hedge anything they don't like back into their own exchange.

I've no doubt Betfair will start a similar model in the near future. (IMO)
Report inner city sumo August 22, 2011 2:43 PM BST
I was on the thread when the post was deleted. The non-sequiturs and botched forum name are deliberate to make it look that way Clydebank. Pretty desperate stuff. I hope he sticks around though, because it is some advert for Betfair. Rather than front up and have a proper Q+A and answer the numerous concerns all users have (not just PC2), they send in Comical Ali.
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 2:45 PM BST
Hi gold coast investor, I am a researching pro gambler, been toying with computer programs on racing since the 1980s when I was first asked by a gambler to develop a simple horse racing form evaluation program on my spectrum, I had no idea what a bookmakers was or the true aspects of form where
but I did what he asked and he gave me the sun newspaper and everyday he wanted my tips, this diverted me from programming games software to the prospect of being a professional gambler but at such a young age and not knowing the real hard world of gambling I didn't realize the real learning curve.

It didnt stop me creating just after that a much better horse racing program that looked at the times of horse races based on the difference in time off the averge time figures from the then sporting life.Only used it twice though as it took 2-3 hours typing all the data in. My landlord who I gave the tips too replied in the last use of it, wow you gave me a 20/1 winner in a maiden race so I suppose that app was left in profit.

Having learned much since then in the nineties I developed a greyhound racing program having fell
oin love with studying there races and knowing a trainer in the past and his dogs, again that program which was over 1000 pages long and took 2 years required typing in 4 hours of form a day for 2 meetings, I couldn't mature the database at that work rate let alone use it.

So here I am now having returned to studying greyhound races and having used excel completely
as its a real beautiful piece of kit if you become proficient with it I am now looking forward
to betting soon and betfairs liquidity even after all charges is the only real place to bet.

As for my apparent rate of posting well I am like a machine when working and I can maintain
months of hard work let alone the odd 1000 posts[;)]
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 2:52 PM BST
How does this new sportsbook work over there? and if betfair had one would it be subject to
premium charges, very interesting development
Report stewarty b August 22, 2011 2:53 PM BST
It's free for all to see.
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 3:00 PM BST
I expect too see in duckponds t&c for 1bet the usual
"The company reserve the right to refuse business to any customer without explanation "
in there terms and conditions as its the unfair line thats in all bookmakers rules on the wall.

Bet to lose and not to win is its real message
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 3:04 PM BST
Imagine if a stock market stated that we don't expect anyone to invest in anything longterm that
creates a profit
, instead there you have to pay charges and then taxes as thats the real fair world
making a living in a fair way but fair doesn't mean you keep all the profits, all business persons
have to pay a lot before they can net there profits.
Report inner city sumo August 22, 2011 3:11 PM BST
Rather than dealing in what you expect to see, why don't you paste over here what it actually says? Does it actually say what you said?
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 3:13 PM BST
I said expect, open your eyes and please don't ask me to explain all words
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 3:14 PM BST
good question though
Report DOUBLED August 22, 2011 3:39 PM BST
Nothing short of utter pathetic that bf fantasist has been planted on the forum. The number of posts from him doesn't really matter as he is probably being paid to be on here (with our pc charges). The fact that the guy is illiterate doesnt help. Shocked
Report Gerbs August 22, 2011 3:48 PM BST
has your   "probably the most profitable greyhound prediction
system ever"
been delayed you said you would be betting in the next 1 to 2 weeks 3 weeks ago
Report Contrarian August 22, 2011 3:48 PM BST
So here I am now having returned to studying greyhound races and having used excel completely
as its a real beautiful piece of kit if you become proficient with it


If you can program to a decent level, why would you use Excel?!?
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 4:03 PM BST
Well as soon as i learnt that you could copy and paste the race from many sources I had been using
and learning excel at the time as I was toying with using my amiga based program and converting
the ascii into block files that are interrupted into the format of GABE (greyhound academy bags edition) but using my amiga compared to my pc was looking pretty stupid as back in the nineties
my amiga was actually better at the job then the then 4 colour pcs, I then toyed around with excel
and realized that I could quickly imitate what a 50,000 line program on the amiga could do.

I have now managed to create an excel system that because of a bug in excel allows me to use
menus to then link other workbooks to a main workbook allowing via running multiple instances of excel
3 gig of workbooks looking at over 1200 races at a time over 50 pdp(profitable data profiles) made from 100 form works linked to 20,000,000 pieces of form data.

A good friend in the past who was an ex programmer laughed once when I said I was going to use
excel but now I can see it was the correct choice as when databases become bigger you can nest results and now I have over 100 gig of workbooks for thirteen top tracks!

My app still has the name GABE but is short for greyhound academy betfair edition having swapped
bookmaker for betfair[;)]
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 4:26 PM BST
If I was to use it at the purple place on races that attract only effectively 400-500 quid in bets
I would feel like I am cheating myself out of what I want big profit, i could make more dodging in and out of bookmakers than there but thats really risky as bookmakers are connected now with all kinds of protection systems now.

For me I will use betfair liquidity at £13,000 to £18,000 thats 30 times the purple place so even after charges I will get a reward that fits my hard work and high expectations and I think most
pro punters knew betfair would have to address the millions that are fairly won before they get there
fair commission hits for what they need to survive, I would of liked to keep more but hey there after
glory as much as us[;)]
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 4:37 PM BST
Hi gerbs, yes its delayed alot, been spending too much time on the forum and I have to look after
my 3 year old son as my girlfriends mum is very ill and she has to do most thing for her unpaid everyday, I did run a business a few years ago employing up to 5 people but when my son was born my friend thought it was a good idea to stop helping me and steal all my customers, I had to give up that business and made the decision to do what I have always wanted to do , make a profit from gambling.

I put my family first now and not in a rush to get rich as in life you have to put things into perspective, rather have long term success than instant greed that could belly up through lack of planning.
Report Contrarian August 22, 2011 4:43 PM BST
A good friend in the past who was an ex programmer laughed once when I said I was going to use
excel but now I can see it was the correct choice as when databases become bigger you can nest results and now I have over 100 gig of workbooks for thirteen top tracks!


I'm afraid I would have to agree with your friend. If you need to handle a lot of data, something like mySQL is far more efficient.
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 4:56 PM BST
I do actually totally agree with you Contrarian, my brother is a freelance programmer and has pointed me towards mySQL also andI can see there are many benifits, my problem was that the data input was excel and the end product being excel as its compatible with gruss and other auto betting software I looked for a more direct route.

Had a hell of a lot of hurdles to handle in using excel and considered dropping it for a programming language but I found ways around it that were up to the job.I may condense the bulk of race data and port it to say visual basic to create a power-fuller survey app at some point but my main concern is building up race databases and actually using what I have now and embarking on app platform change would require another 4-5 month delay , cant justify that presently and will maintain excel development.

I do miss the power of a programming language though and excel has graced itself but shown its limitations frequently.
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 5:03 PM BST
In hindsight I would of used excel for low level work and imput/output data demands and then used mySQL or vb for the number crunching but at the 95% completion stage it would be resourcefully negative for me to reset my development.
Report bf_fananatic August 22, 2011 5:07 PM BST
The biggest problem in using excel is that if you make a update or fix a bug you may need to change
and edit all workbooks concerned and in my case thats if a race fix, over 10,000 amendments thats
why I have intensely proofed worksheets at certain points of completion thresholds, altering a single
line in a programming language has been deeply missedSad
Report Mr.Angry August 22, 2011 7:19 PM BST
bf_fananatic - has Duncan Disorderli been banned?  Haven't seen him around since you deleted his post.
Report stewarty b August 23, 2011 2:32 PM BST
ttt for Duncan. (he's not banned)
Report stewarty b August 23, 2011 2:32 PM BST
ttt for Duncan. (he's not banned)
Report Duncan Disordorli August 23, 2011 2:47 PM BST
Just read this thanks Stewarty..no not banned..the forum is barely worth reading with that bf_lunatic running the asylum.

Anyone wondering what happened was that I posted a tongue in cheek post that sarcastically illustrated Bf`s new PC environment for prospective punters..nothing too dramatic in there..but I ended it with " regards, betfair"

Only a uniquely immature mind could possibly have thought I was portraying an official communication from the firm...and of course the plant filled the bill perfectly. He reported it to his gaffers and it was gone quicker than an in running bet placed on ATR`s pictures.

All it confirmed was that this person ..whoever he is..has an agenda to oppose serious discussion of the PC. I am vehemently against it, but anyone that knows me realises that I would never post anything that could be construed as dangerous or detrimental to BF.

Thanks for your concerns chaps...you`re stuck with me still alas..Happy
Report The Magician (100) August 23, 2011 2:55 PM BST
has anyone confirme BFF works for BF?

keeps getting stated - but I have not seen him say it
Report Duncan Disordorli August 23, 2011 3:06 PM BST
well he is hardly likely to admit it is he ?

If he doesn`t he needs to seek help.
Report The Magician (100) August 23, 2011 3:11 PM BST
So you dont know weather he does or does not?
Report Mr.Anderson August 23, 2011 3:14 PM BST
People probably just look at his "joined date" and think that it wouldn't make sense to spend that much time every day praising BF and the PC2 in particular if you're not getting paid for it. Therefor he must be a BF employee? Personally I find it extremely unlikely.
Report CLYDEBANK29 August 23, 2011 3:14 PM BST
personally I just think he needs to seek help
Report funkymonkey August 23, 2011 3:24 PM BST
I dont believe he is a BF employee. I think he is just a lonely attention seeker and it seems he has got his wish because on the one day he hasnt shown up to deliver his standard 50 posts of drivel, we are still talking about him.

Personally I couldnt care less if he is staff or not, its his constant trolling of potentially decent topics and then grassing up of respected members that is intolerable.
Report Duncan Disordorli August 23, 2011 3:31 PM BST
correct funkymonkey..he is unworthy of further attention and Magician of course I have no knowledge why is it worthy of your scrutiny ... ? he is a seed ...rest assured.
Report The Magician (100) August 23, 2011 3:38 PM BST
DD

I hope after 8 or 9 years on this forum, the one thing I have alwasys shown, is an interest in factual discussion.

so when people try to discredit BFF by saying he IS and employee - I get curios as to weather that is FACT or speculation

Granted BFF is not everyones cup of tea... and perhaps criticism of his "trolling" is warrabted - but if poeple criticised hm factually then that criticism would be much better recieved.

I personal find him very inteligent... and as such am veyr happy to trawl through his quirky posting nature for the interesting content.

but then again, I loved Adonis and Medemi perhaps more than anyone in the hisory of the forum, so perhaps it is me who is the nutcase
Report bf_fananatic August 23, 2011 3:41 PM BST
Back to your old propaganda tricks duncan, I am as much a gambler as the next person on here
only I have an objective and positive mind, perhaps it is this that scares you, booDevil
Report gerard August 23, 2011 3:43 PM BST
Bff - surely you are only as big a gambler as the next person if the next person has never had a bet either?
Report bf_fananatic August 23, 2011 3:44 PM BST
Thanks for the figures magician, I used them to create a sensible post like yours, I have pitched for better tv coverage and a radio service for greyhounds and results service as betfiar is letting the core sports down and letting the bookmakers via sis run the show, now if I worked for them I wouldn't be telling them where they are going wrong would I everyoneBlush
Report bf_fananatic August 23, 2011 3:46 PM BST
lol gerard, trying to get to grips with my greyhound figures but its bloody hard work, cant risk betting unless the edge is sharp enough to win the test of time[;)]
Report Duncan Disordorli August 23, 2011 4:06 PM BST
Sorry Magician you`ve let him out..I will no longer discuss this rather unique individual..

never had a bet on Betfair..a 1/4 of a million short of paying PC and an agenda as clear as crystal. He is unworthy of your attention.

This is fishing of a supremely high standard whichever way you look at it...albeit done quite articulately and that is why so many have taken the slightest bit of notice.

Go on bflunatic report me to your gaffers again..BETFAIR DO NOT WANT WINNERS ON THE SITE or else they wouldn`t tax them...only you could defend charging them up to 60% and keep a straight face...

goodbye.
Report bf_fananatic August 23, 2011 4:14 PM BST
Give over why would i report people for there right to complain, am fed up with pc2 perhaps
there are more important things that need changing on this site, possibly the charge might
be lowered in the future if there is an adverse effect in the next 12 months to overall liquidity
but what about other issues that need addressing, perhaps this forum wont help us in any positive
way as I wonder if we complain enough really about what customers want out of the service.
Report Latalomne August 23, 2011 4:21 PM BST
Check out the amounts of money in the BF and BD win markets for the 1630 at Leicester (talking about money on screen rather than the matched amount, which, as we all know is calculated differently).  First time I've seen the balance be so far in favour of purple.
Report bf_fananatic August 23, 2011 4:25 PM BST
Have you taken into account that BD melon up there matched figures as "money won" instead of
money staked as BF do any the amount of runners will increase the figure grossly, still be the bak end of the pantomime horse they need to pump up there behind to get any one to noticeBlush
Report Latalomne August 23, 2011 4:27 PM BST
If you READ my post you would see that I wasn't talking about MATCHED amounts.

FWIW, within minutes of my posting, similar amounts appeared on BF.  Someone responsible for both?
Report Duncan Disordorli August 23, 2011 4:29 PM BST
Could be a bit of seeding latalomne, but undeniably anyone can get accommodated pre race..in running a different story especially due to ATR.

Betfair remain unperturbed by those who have crossed the road apparently.
The company doesn`t care that can be the only conclusion.

Nevermind their PR person is working his socks off to stop the rot..Laugh
Report gerard August 23, 2011 4:29 PM BST
Latalomne - on Saturday there were races where purple had TWICE the matched amount at the off. We all know about the way they are calculated being different (Nobby will be along in a second to remind us anyway), but they always have been, and until the new charges still didn't come anywhere near BF figures. The times they are a changin'.....
Report bf_fananatic August 23, 2011 4:32 PM BST
I have noticed that BD markets are growing fast but there greyhound markets are a joke, but some markets look quite good
Report bf_fananatic August 23, 2011 4:34 PM BST
Perhaps they are banging there 1bet stakes into there exchange markets as people are always laying
all the time, this could be how figures are jumping but there is defo growth there
Report Duncan Disordorli August 23, 2011 4:39 PM BST
There is a case that purple`s method IS actually fairer.
how can a grand at 1.01 represent 2 grand turnover ?
If I lay a fifty at 21 then I have staked (or turned over £1000) in anyone`s language surely ? £1050 is the accurate `take imo.

BF`s figures inflated because of the hooverers imo.
Report bf_fananatic August 23, 2011 4:42 PM BST
BD are certainly in the race and BF have to be careful they don't overcharge themselves in the future
out of the race, market forces cant be ignored!
Report The Magician (100) August 23, 2011 4:43 PM BST
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If you READ my post you would see that I wasn't talking about MATCHED amounts.

FWIW, within minutes of my posting, similar amounts appeared on BF.  Someone responsible for both?


very possible... and thier robot starts on BD earlier, for one of several possible reasons
Report Feck N. Eejit August 23, 2011 5:10 PM BST
Re comparing amounts matched, either could easily boost their figures with ping-pong money but if you think neither of them indulge in this practice then betfair's figures will likely contain a lot more user ping-pong money than betd@q's.
Report Latalomne August 23, 2011 5:16 PM BST
Prior to the last couple of weeks I'd not actually paid much attention to the amounts being traded on the horses over there, but from what I've seen this afternoon, there's no logical reason at all why anyone - lack of brand recognition aside - shouldn't be playing horse racing win markets over there rather than here.
Report gerard August 23, 2011 5:17 PM BST
Pre race I agree - IR will take longer.
Report Latalomne August 23, 2011 5:31 PM BST
A fair distinction, yes.
Report Feck N. Eejit August 23, 2011 6:13 PM BST
There's little doubt purple liquidity has increased. Never thought I'd see the day I'd be getting 5 figure take outs over there.
Report Duncan Disordorli August 23, 2011 6:18 PM BST
I hope it`s not you that I`m matching Feck...[:(][;)]
Report allinadayswork August 23, 2011 6:20 PM BST
I actually had two fivers here today, my first bets since PC2 was thrust upon the clientele, mainly cos the other place had reformed the market rather late due to a non runner though. Otherwise would be proud to say I still hadnt had a bet since!

As I said before though doing far far better than for a long while so the stuff about big fish fighting it out elsewhere is largely a red herring I feel, pardon the pun lol.
Report Feck N. Eejit August 23, 2011 6:55 PM BST
If it was Duncan you probably owe me a drink. Cry
Report stewarty b August 23, 2011 7:06 PM BST
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There's little doubt purple liquidity has increased. Never thought I'd see the day I'd be getting 5 figure take outs over there.


And it will continue to increase Feck if punters like yourself give it a try. They get 90% of my buisness when I'm punting and I've even got bigger odds there than here on many occasion.

By your post, I take it you're fully atuomated now?
Report nairda August 24, 2011 1:24 AM BST
I hope after 8 or 9 years on this forum, the one thing I have alwasys shown, is an interest in factual discussion.

so when people try to discredit BFF by saying he IS and employee - I get curios as to weather that is FACT or speculation

Granted BFF is not everyones cup of tea... and perhaps criticism of his "trolling" is warrabted - but if poeple criticised hm factually then that criticism would be much better recieved.

I personal find him very inteligent... and as such am veyr happy to trawl through his quirky posting nature for the interesting content.

but then again, I loved Adonis and Medemi perhaps more than anyone in the hisory of the forum, so perhaps it is me who is the nutcase


bf_fananatic joined july 17th 2011.

bf_fananatic repleis 1050, all on PC 2 or about how great betfair is

bf_fananatic says he bets on greyhound racing..yet he has never post anything in Grayhound or i any other

DD had a post removed very fast after receiving a warning from bf_fananatic about posting nonfactual betfair info
Report nairda August 24, 2011 1:25 AM BST
bf_fananatic joined july 17th 2011.

bf_fananatic repleis 1050, all on PC 2 or about how great betfair is

bf_fananatic says he bets on greyhound racing..yet he has never post anything in Grayhound or i any other

DD had a post removed very fast after receiving a warning from bf_fananatic about posting nonfactual betfair info
Report lanza August 24, 2011 1:33 AM BST
i did see a post i think by bf fananatic in the greyhound section, was on the walthamstow stadium thread or l+q or something like that.

i nearly choked....as he was objecting to some sort of government tax which i thought funny at the time.
Report lanza August 24, 2011 1:37 AM BST
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property developers driven by inner city land prices and greed "strong arming "other community and recreation land and facilities from out of the publics domain is an all too common occurrence these days, that they can manage it with tax payers money comes as no surprise, that we let them get away with it, is too our greater loss!
Report nairda August 24, 2011 2:04 AM BST
Laugh

bf_fananatic says he bets on greyhound racing..yet he has only posted 1 time Greyhound topics

Laugh
Report Feck N. Eejit August 24, 2011 8:28 AM BST
By your post, I take it you're fully atuomated now?

Not yet stewarty. I'm having the odd day betting and the odd day coding.
Report chrisblues August 25, 2011 2:24 PM BST
this  is so low    i am feeling down Cry
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