have set limits now aueng mate.

yeah shocking staking hey bobby.

LB fvck off mate no one likes you or wants you here. pompous old man

ok no US horse feed for me so no more bets for me tonight. had some bad tennis bets today with almagro and bartoli losing

Believe me Cat, if you were looking at the private exchange that had taken place between myself and Paul over the last hour, you'd realise that your comment was about the last thing Paul would wish to hear at the moment!

watch horse racing, read trainers blogs, speak to trainers, speak to riders, watch races, watch more races, watch replays of races, watch the replays again, look at trainer form, look at the weather, look at jockey form, look at the going, look at the track, look at the possible draw bias, look at the horses breeding, watch replays of the races,

these are just a few of the things you should, and probably need to be doing if you are to be making a long term profit on horse racing

thanks mate. do you make consistent profit on the furry beasts then?

I do well enough but its plenty of work, if dont work and get lazy then ill make mistakes, grow frustrated and most likely make more mistakes, even with the work i sometimes get it wrong, but that doesnt mean the method i use to approaching things is wrong, just that the outcome i reached was wrong, patience is needed, and the realisation you cant win them all.  Wave goodbye to losses, and learn from them, if you make a valid case for a bet and it loses ask yourself was it still a good bet.  How can you learn from losses if you are guessing all the time, the only lesson you can learn is to not guess.  Give yourself the best chance of making money by not guessing.

yeah im not sure anything ever will.

ive never seen anyone tip on here to much of a consistent profit and only undern posts bets so your privacy of profits helps to show me you're probably only making small amounts, or loss's

yes his thread is great. most interesting on here

I agree with catfliipo. Paulme's assumption is absurd.

The problem is Paulme think's (and expect) that the BF forum is like a tipping exchange ... hate to give you the bad news but it isn't. Whilst there is information which may help form an opinion ... it is dangerous to blindly accept someone's selection in blind faith.

i mean even the tippers on racing post who study all these things people keep telling me to get most of their naps wrong. lets face it, no one can tip well!!

You seriously think that all of the money on this exchange comes from people losing money?  That everybody apart from Undern loses money?

There's absolutely no incentive for anyone here to post bets for other people to follow?  Why on earth would they?  The best that can happen is that somebody gives them a compliment (so what?). The worst is that a number of people start working out what their strategy is and begin following it themselves.

But despite that, there are people across the forums who post lots of winning bets. I can think of a couple across the horse racing forums that give clear tips that will win in the long term. I'm certainly not disclosing their names to you, but there are definitely people out there making big money.

most of racing post's "experts" are on minus points but yeah lots making good money [smiley:crazy]

oh right explains alot

ok. how much you making cat boy?

Two words spring to mind .... "Lost" and "Cause" .... I done with all of this - I have more important things to concern myself with ....

good luck Paulme with whatever way you decide to move forward with your betting.

didnt ask you anything undern but thanks mate

oh i thought of someone else on here who was genuine - avocado.

look what happened to him.

... only when they do challenges like I am doing and you are doing Paulme (you do remember your challenge don't you) .... but otherwise if they aren't doing a challenge then I couldn't give a fk whether they post up their bets or not .... [;)]

Paulme, if it's people putting up their trades that you like, go and start looking at the stock market (or futures, currency markets etc.) instead!     There're any number of people involved in the US stock markets who love posting their bets. 

Seriously, go to: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=ee2f38a028cdbfd8d49e8826c8753557&forumid=29


It's not like you've actually learnt anything during your eight months looking at horse racing, so you won't really be throwing away lots of knowledge!   And think of all of those people who've never heard from you who you can plague with question after question. And they really do love talking about how much they've made over there, so you'll be warmly welcomed!  (No sarcasm!)

Yes, it is a serious suggestion. Just go and read the forums and you'll see what I mean. Some of them put up screenshots of their charts complete with wiggly lines telling you where they went in and jumped out. There are some horror stories on there, but there's plenty of entertainment too.

And if you want some thrilling trading stories, go to Amazon and buy the two Market Wizards books. Some of the encounters in those books are brilliant!  (Particularly the original one.)   If they don't fill you with the excitement of trading, nothing will...

I couldn't tell you why so many of them love talking about themselves, but they do. Plenty of technical analysis for you to get your chops round too. (Charts, trendlines, moving averages, Bollinger Bands etc.)