To which the 2nd child in this p;ayground spat says " Well he started it ".
But I agree.
Too childish for words.

In the first line of the fourth paragraph in the the original post on this thread you talk about us mugs I thought you said you were a professional gambler FAFH?

I asked on another on another thread do you make a profit or lose? The reply you gave was.........A fckin fortune.

You do seem to be highly keen on giving gambling advice to all and sundrie on the exchange, giving vent to the suggestion your the wise old sage of Betfair, this is a tiny bit odd for  a person  who happily describes himself as mug punter. your atitude seem openly hostile to the most successfull operators on here they seem positively alien to you.

Also you're taking me away from my new hobby of taxidermy.

FAFH, nomoves has a point.  Calling yourself a mug punter when you can't get on with any of the bookmakers and making 8 %(I think you said this yourself?) ROI here, hardly qualifies as being a mug.

A bit phatetic of you trying to ridicule PC payers wanting others to emigrate, when you imply mugs are better off staying here and being fleeced by the likes of you with an exceptionally high ROI.

Eddie
I'm not saying mugs will necessarily be better off on here immediately if the shrewdies move or don't move, I'm just saying that whilst they might lose the same amount of money in the short term whatever happens, the shrewdies will however keep more of it in their own pockets if it happens  on any alternative exchange rather than in BF in the future.
Furthermore, if the mugs do lose it on here and BF super taxes the shrewdies for a larger cut of their winnings and, most importantly, uses those tax revenues to grow and improve the exchange, then at least the mugs MIGHT have some chance down the line to improve their game and actually start winning some money off the shrewdies.
However if the shrewdies just bleed the exchange dry and leave BF an empty vessel and then go over to another exchange, and the mugs follow them there, and the same end result occurs ( which it will eventually as the low across the board flat commission structure is flawed),  then eventually the whole exchange concept ( that is betting and laying and not getting banned ) might eventually die in totality.
Then in fact not only do the mugs lose but also any aspiring potential shrewdies, as the current bunch of shrewdies will have collapsed the whole edifice.

"Fck me here I am posting all the same old.
Why can't I stop taking the bait?."

Because you are addicted to the forum. You need to get yourself down to forum posters anonymous and stop posting immediately. And watch out for things like sunlight (or moonlight maybe at the moment) and fresh air when you step outside.

However if the shrewdies just bleed the exchange dry and leave BF an empty vessel and then go over to another exchange, and the mugs follow them there, and the same end result occurs ( which it will eventually as the low across the board flat commission structure is flawed),  then eventually the whole exchange concept ( that is betting and laying and not getting banned ) might eventually die in totality.

One last time, justify this idea logically........ it's just empty rhetoric as far as I can see.

The laugh is all this "shrewdies bleeding the exchange dry" type comment is now exactly the action BF want to take via this increased charge.

Rather than customers getting the money BF get it.  The difference being that customers will put a good portion back into the pot.  BF's take out never comes back.

"--nor ever will be--"

FAFH, you are entitled to your own opinions of course, but please refrain from using supporting arguments that are demonstrably false

If Betfair feel they can make more money by increasing charges, it is their right to do so. Simple as that. The justification you give is completely invalid though.

Come out of retirement so soon ?.
Maybe the all too common disease of professional sportsmen and women doing the same thing is rubbing off on me, by virtue of my excessive sports betting ?.

Did you not read Investor's 11-48 post?

Certainly I did GOM.
And maybe my last response to Investor was thus poorly worded.
There are numerous technical and strategic corporate finance reasons if and why and when corporates buy back some of their own shares.
And we don't have anywhere enough public info available to us to assess this situation factually or correctly.
And after all we're just a bunch of pro and amateur punters debating on here, not corporate finance specialists.
Who's is to say how the buyback was even funded ?.
Who's to say it even came out of free cash reserves ?.
What are their projected capital inflows?
What are their projected cash inflows ?. etc etc etc
Now maybe Investor, or you, or at least somebody on this forum is privy to all this detail.
Then, if they are, maybe they could put an end to all this conjecture, by posting up all the exact correct relevant info.
Maybe, maybe ,maybe.
I am not saying my personal thoughts are any more correct than anybody else's on here.
But also I'm not conceding they aren't without more substance being posted on the counterarguments.
And I'm staying loyal to BF and so perhaps I'm not even required to prove anything at all.
I'm not the one calling BF mgt a pack of liars without incontrovertible proof.

FAFH

You are wasting your intelligence here, your energy would be better spent helping poor people away from your laptop.

I've done my bit around the world, now I'm helping the poor souls here who are struggling to pay there bills and wont go tot he job centre sponging off tax payers money as they are too proud. Fair play.

CWAN
You know maybe you have come up with a very good example of what would be bad for BF and ultimately for all punters.
Say someone was using his/her BF skills to largely fund external charity ventures.
Whilst that would be good for the charities and thus the general society, it would perhaps be very bad for BF, particularly if most of the shrewdies were doing it.
That is take as much as you possibly can out of BF on a net basis, giving as little as you can back to BF for its own long term operating needs.
That is thy need is greater than others'.
Just perhaps replace charities with own families ( to be fair to the majority of winners on here) and with Ferraris ( to be equally honest with a minority of winners on here) and you see the potential problem with an ever growing, rapacious band of shrewdies.

Btw Rocket I'm into using all my spare cash resources for doggie rescue homes.
And you ?

Froggy

I've helped out people in all 4 corners of the world, from the favela's of South America to lost lands of Bangladesh's never ending receding coast line, now, I'm here helping people on betfair to earn some extra money, the big players won't listen when I say FULL BANK- FREE MONEY, the smaller players will and then profit from my tips, these smaller players are just getting by supporting their families - I  tell them not to thank me - I'm here to help

But not everyone can win I hear you say - the seethers and haters will ignore my tips and those are the losers = betfair will carry on.

Do you practice talking nonsense to the dog so that you have it perfectly honed for when you come on here