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i received my phone call yesterday telling me that 40% was now what i was now
going to incur. he told me precisely 480 people were affected by this, yet it seems like
thousands have made over 250k judging by the forum.
clearly gonna have to try betduck again, but i play on mainly snooker,darts and tennis
so im probably completely f**ked as those sports seem to be dead over there bar tennis possibly.
now gonna have to up my poker playing, go back to a bit of spread betting and odd fixed odds betting as well.
and all coz betfair wernt just happy picking up all the commision i was creating for them.
cant see me doing a proper job as my wife says i havent got a days work in me!!
im too used to playing golf,tennis and watching sport for past 6 yrs.
going to incur. he told me precisely 480 people were affected by this, yet it seems like
thousands have made over 250k judging by the forum.
clearly gonna have to try betduck again, but i play on mainly snooker,darts and tennis
so im probably completely f**ked as those sports seem to be dead over there bar tennis possibly.
now gonna have to up my poker playing, go back to a bit of spread betting and odd fixed odds betting as well.
and all coz betfair wernt just happy picking up all the commision i was creating for them.
cant see me doing a proper job as my wife says i havent got a days work in me!!
im too used to playing golf,tennis and watching sport for past 6 yrs.
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not giving up gambling m8, but 40% on betfair is a bit too big a hurdle for even shrewdies.
be a case if i have to bet on here i will do, but will have to branch out whenever i can elsewhere.
be a case if i have to bet on here i will do, but will have to branch out whenever i can elsewhere.
Just make an extra 40% in bet winnings to cover it ... god, if you are making a living out of betting don't complain !!
It's 40% of your profit though so you'll still be in profit overall?
Simple variance in results may knock a few people out though catflappo, they'll be a lot of difference in averaging your profit over 10 years compared to weekly. To fall in the 40% net now won't only catch the courtsiders/insiders
im not complaining about making a living out of betting, but just rocking up with
an extra 40% in winnings is something im sure we would all like to do!!
id probably still make a profit but would be crab fat really.
as some guys have already mentioned, i also made most of my money between 2004 and 2008
and as time has gone on there are far more clued up people on here, so its been a
case of just grinding out a much smaller profit on here.
an extra 40% in winnings is something im sure we would all like to do!!
id probably still make a profit but would be crab fat really.
as some guys have already mentioned, i also made most of my money between 2004 and 2008
and as time has gone on there are far more clued up people on here, so its been a
case of just grinding out a much smaller profit on here.
callataxi like you made most of my money in early days. markets are much tighter now. not worth the time and effort to end up with £40 instead of £100 (£80 was just about acceptable if you cut out the weak markets). Betqu345ck worth a go, but otherwise its retirement. only addicts will stay on.
calla im the same i made lots between 2004-2008 as well in a lot of the markets you do and many more.it has got a lot more difficult mainly because of the initial pc i have paid it every week bar maybe 4-5 since its inception,also the superbot jumping in and lowering the spread has made it harder to part the fishes money from them.i scaled down a bit on here and have been doing other things in the last couple of years as well so i guess i am lucky or was it foresight in doing this i dont know but it has ment i am still a long way of 250k,so i guess i am lucky for the moment that i will still only be paying 24% roughly most weeks.i have no doubt the next time they change it if its a couple of years they will probably get me again.the thought of a real job again after all this time is a terrible thought as i will be nearly 50 in a couple of years and i dont think i could handle it after all this time,gl bud i hope you find a solution.the snooker markets wont be the same without you and wicklow if you cant find a way round it.
cheers scarecrow, nah dont think me and wicklow are gonna give up frame betting just yet.
hes just got caught in the net for the 1st time because of the 250k ceiling.
im suprised you havent hit 250k lifetime to be honest.
if ur on msn perhaps add me for a chat possibly?
andyhanks@btinternet.com. or email if u like.
hes just got caught in the net for the 1st time because of the 250k ceiling.
im suprised you havent hit 250k lifetime to be honest.
if ur on msn perhaps add me for a chat possibly?
andyhanks@btinternet.com. or email if u like.
im not on that calla sorry,as i said in my previous post i am not as active now as i used to be some weeks i dont bother at all i only bet when their is major events on now as the fish migrate then and there is plenty of scraps about to be cleaned up as you know.i hope it works out for you,i tried the other place last time but the markets you most want are either not there or populated with like minded people so its hard to make it pay.anyway i must go now.
ok no worries scarecrow. gd luck with all u do, was just wondering if the other things u have branched into were gambling related and if u could recommend other
sites/avenues to try?
sites/avenues to try?
The imagery being created by a few of the "oldtimers" on here is really just too delicious.
no its not andy,losing 20% of my previous income on here made me branch out into other unrelated things that did not take much of my time but its something that is handy as a back up to my gambling.
fafh life was better when you were still in nappies all of you young uns have made the game to hard 
yeh ive been gambling since i was 16 and im now 44 and always moved onto different
things, so im sure i will squeeze some readies out somewhere. dont really wanna
go back to playing kalooki in some smoke filled snooker hall tho!!
things, so im sure i will squeeze some readies out somewhere. dont really wanna
go back to playing kalooki in some smoke filled snooker hall tho!!
Hi calla
not had the call yet, but it will be 50% for me
I somehow can't see me keeping the motivation giving 50% back. Reckon i'm going to press it for a couple of months to see how it goes.
Good luck (we're going to ****g need it)
not had the call yet, but it will be 50% for me
I somehow can't see me keeping the motivation giving 50% back. Reckon i'm going to press it for a couple of months to see how it goes.
Good luck (we're going to ****g need it)
hi curly, not heard from u for ages. what will u end up doing if pc too much?
I think there will be more than just 40%ers whining.
I've not seen a post by a 20%er (I'll be one of those) yet who expects to be on 20% this time next year when the goalposts move again.
If they thought only the 480 new guys in the net were going to complain, they thought horribly wrong.
I've not seen a post by a 20%er (I'll be one of those) yet who expects to be on 20% this time next year when the goalposts move again.
If they thought only the 480 new guys in the net were going to complain, they thought horribly wrong.
Lori certainly there is a fear they'll just keep moving the goalposts. I commented on that yesterday.
If you were cynical you might think they will, and are taking the "lets see what we can get away with" approach and a gradual bar lowering / rate raising.
If you were cynical you might think they will, and are taking the "lets see what we can get away with" approach and a gradual bar lowering / rate raising.
"If they thought only the 480 new guys in the net were going to complain, they thought horribly wrong."
Surely for a lot of people there is surely a sense of fairness and an "if I was in their shoes"?
Also, given it's over a LIFETIME, maybe in a 5 or 15 years, how many of us, if we're very lucky, will pay it?
It's certainly something to make you think long term about BF knowing they've just stuck an axe above the head of anyone who does well here, measured over your entire lifetime, and will implement negative things that apply retrospectively.
Surely for a lot of people there is surely a sense of fairness and an "if I was in their shoes"?
Also, given it's over a LIFETIME, maybe in a 5 or 15 years, how many of us, if we're very lucky, will pay it?
It's certainly something to make you think long term about BF knowing they've just stuck an axe above the head of anyone who does well here, measured over your entire lifetime, and will implement negative things that apply retrospectively.
A man with a van and a ladder will never be out of work..........I've got a ladder
..but not a van
..but not a van
You need a man with a van for your plan, two men in the same boat would float.
(I need to start writing for Dr Seuss)
(I need to start writing for Dr Seuss)
Just make an extra 40% in bet winnings to cover it ... god, if you are making a living out of betting don't complain !!
spot on that man
spot on that man
paulme 30 Jun 11 19:24
Just make an extra 40% in bet winnings to cover it ... god, if you are making a living out of betting don't complain !!
spot on that man
not quite. it would need to be an extra 66.67%.
Just make an extra 40% in bet winnings to cover it ... god, if you are making a living out of betting don't complain !!
spot on that man
not quite. it would need to be an extra 66.67%.
paulme
you're taking greater risk to make the same money...it doesn't just work like this
you're taking greater risk to make the same money...it doesn't just work like this
i mean more think yourself lucky you have the gift of gambling
kinda like a premiership football is lucky to have the gift
kinda like a premiership football is lucky to have the gift
Just make an extra 40% in bet winnings to cover it ... god, if you are making a living out of betting don't complain !!
If only it were that simple.
As Knight Rider has pointed out on his Monte Carlo simulation thread, there will be some customers who were up to now able to make a living from betting on here, but who will now be unable to overcome this new PC charge.
If only it were that simple.
As Knight Rider has pointed out on his Monte Carlo simulation thread, there will be some customers who were up to now able to make a living from betting on here, but who will now be unable to overcome this new PC charge.
Contrarian you still interested in my rare, muggish account?
well Paulme, there be no more premiership football for me...i leave betfair to you mugs as i left w!lliam Hill, bet365 to yor mugs to
a mug is all i can be. just like i cant be wayne rooney. how did you discover your gift?
So there you are Paulme.
All you have to do is grow up and then you'll be wildly successful like all the other shrewdies.
Patience is a virtue.
Oh to be old and wise eh ?
All you have to do is grow up and then you'll be wildly successful like all the other shrewdies.
Patience is a virtue.
Oh to be old and wise eh ?
I just knew you were going to ask that.
Btw maybe I'm a lady and you know what they say.
Btw maybe I'm a lady and you know what they say.
I reckon you're young enough to be his/her tadpole, paulme
why cos i dont have the PC gift?
do you own a floppy cat catflopp?
do you own a floppy cat catflopp?
without having to read everything about PC, why do punters pay "tax" on winnings while at bookies you don't? Why did Betfair start all this?
Read schalke.
Don't be lazy.
Trust me it's a fun read.
Lots of foot stamping and dummy spitting.
Don't be lazy.
Trust me it's a fun read.
Lots of foot stamping and dummy spitting.
Out of the 480 £people" how many are bookmakers?
Over 1,000 markets, thats a lot of markets, are they meaning different markets or a total of 1000 markets?
40% seems a bit high considering you don't pay anything at bookies, which is leading me to believe it's bookies they know are using betfair
Over 1,000 markets, thats a lot of markets, are they meaning different markets or a total of 1000 markets?
40% seems a bit high considering you don't pay anything at bookies, which is leading me to believe it's bookies they know are using betfair
1000 markets is 2 bets a week if youve been here 10 years
So does that mean they are meaning a "total" of 1000 markets? Or 1000 "different" markets ....
lol ... I have done every possible market I can think of on here 
.... even politics lol
.... even politics lol
Ive got a little while before I get to £250k lol ....
You did 200 markets in a few weeks, some people do that many in a day or two.
I'm small fry with no bots and only been here 7 years and I'm on 9000 or so.
I'm small fry with no bots and only been here 7 years and I'm on 9000 or so.
How do you know how many bets you have placed on Betfair? I must have done thousands as well ...
d13It's on the premium portal Schalke, or you can request a lifetime breakdown via customer support
I obviously have no idea what the premium portal is, can anyone view this information?
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https://account.betfair.com/regpay-myaccount/premiumcharge/summary.html
https://account.betfair.com/regpay-myaccount/premiumcharge/summary.html
just says I have not got any premium charges .. cheers though
Would just be interesting to see how many markets I have been on ....
With your betting style Schalke, I would be surprised if it was less than 10.000
I think I have done thousands and thousands of bets yet over the last 6 years I am pretty much even money wise, and slightly in profit with the bookies ... when I look at it that way it's a hobby, doesn't cost me anything but doesn't gain me much either. Just glad they dont do charges based on stakes cause with my 1.01 bets I was betting average about £1000 every 4 bets
"Would just be interesting to see how many markets I have been on ...."
Is that all it says Schalke, does it not have number of markets, on the left?
Long before you start paying PC you have a "pre allowance" and that page shows how much of it is left, it doesn't just appear for who've paid PC (unless they've changed it).
Is that all it says Schalke, does it not have number of markets, on the left?
Long before you start paying PC you have a "pre allowance" and that page shows how much of it is left, it doesn't just appear for who've paid PC (unless they've changed it).
Just,
When they introduced the PC only those liable to pay it had access to the original link (I can't remember if it was the same). I tried then.
I just tried the above link and have seen the same message that Schalke has seen.
Why only PC players have access to their own stats? It's a good mistery.
When they introduced the PC only those liable to pay it had access to the original link (I can't remember if it was the same). I tried then.
I just tried the above link and have seen the same message that Schalke has seen.
Why only PC players have access to their own stats? It's a good mistery.
Strange. Maybe it's available only once you meet ANY of the criteria or something.
Certainly there is little point in having a pre allowance and the various indicators of if you're elligble or not according to various critera if you can't see it!
Certainly there is little point in having a pre allowance and the various indicators of if you're elligble or not according to various critera if you can't see it!
It's only available once you meet the criteria or are close to doing so.
well im definitely not a bookmaker schalke and ive bet on nearly 40,000 markets since i started.
some of the 480 will be courtsiders and hooverers and poss bookmakers.
i definitely dont do any of that, and bet purely off sky,terrestial, eurosport etc.
if u stick to betting on a select few sports and know them inside out and have a good grasp
of what the odds should be in running then u can make gd money without having a massive edge with feed etc.
some of the 480 will be courtsiders and hooverers and poss bookmakers.
i definitely dont do any of that, and bet purely off sky,terrestial, eurosport etc.
if u stick to betting on a select few sports and know them inside out and have a good grasp
of what the odds should be in running then u can make gd money without having a massive edge with feed etc.
still here and still praying for something to change regarding the pc!!
If the purple site had any sense they would offer you big players 1% commission on all winnings up to any level for 3 years. Get some liquidity into the markets and the smaller fish like me will follow the liquidity. Betfair keep shooting themselves in the foot and Betd@q still doesn't attack.
still here and still praying for something to change regarding the pc!!
you're one of the lucky 480 then?
you're one of the lucky 480 then?
you're one of the lucky 480 then?
This topic was created 2 years ago. On that day I didn't know anybody who were among theese 480, but I had friends who menaged pretty well on betfair markets. Today I and 3 other people I know already qualified for this charges 3 other people will qulify in 2014, so I supose this number is much higher now. I can estimate ca. 2000.
This topic was created 2 years ago. On that day I didn't know anybody who were among theese 480, but I had friends who menaged pretty well on betfair markets. Today I and 3 other people I know already qualified for this charges 3 other people will qulify in 2014, so I supose this number is much higher now. I can estimate ca. 2000.
3 other people will qulify in 2014
what if they hit a bad run of bets?
what if they hit a bad run of bets?
bob why can you not write a sentence without asking a question?
what if they hit a bad run of bets?
It's possible but I can estimate probability of this event below 5%.
It's possible but I can estimate probability of this event below 5%.
are they just trying to pick winners or trading 10 ticks?
callataxi : "cant see me doing a proper job as my wife says i havent got a days work in me!!"
Totally worthless person.
Honest though.
Glad to never meet this scum.
Totally worthless person.
Honest though.
Glad to never meet this scum.
are they just trying to pick winners or trading 10 ticks?
Bob, I think you've been asking that question, in one form or another, since about January 2012.
Bob, I think you've been asking that question, in one form or another, since about January 2012.
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callataxi : "cant see me doing a proper job as my wife says i havent got a days work in me!!"
Totally worthless person.
Honest though.
Glad to never meet this scum.
lighten up mate , im only kidding.
ive done 20 odd years of normal jobs, but the last decade ive taken my chances on here, so if that makes
me worthless scum then so be it.
callataxi : "cant see me doing a proper job as my wife says i havent got a days work in me!!"
Totally worthless person.
Honest though.
Glad to never meet this scum.
lighten up mate , im only kidding.
ive done 20 odd years of normal jobs, but the last decade ive taken my chances on here, so if that makes
me worthless scum then so be it.
Why are you apologising calla..?
The only person with the problem was the irate poster. If you make money on Betfair, bloody well done. It's not easy and it's not an easy way of life.
Well done...more power to you.
The only person with the problem was the irate poster. If you make money on Betfair, bloody well done. It's not easy and it's not an easy way of life.
Well done...more power to you.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE LONDON AND NEW YORK EXCHANGE CHARGING THE WINNERS ON THEIR EXCHANGES 40% PLUS TAXES
This place seems to do what it wants.It's become very wrong to take up to 60% of peoples
winnings.Can see the bookies following suit.Hope the GC gets involved.
winnings.Can see the bookies following suit.Hope the GC gets involved.
This place seems to do what it wants.It's become very wrong to take up to 60% of peoples
winnings
those people are extremely blessed though. we would all love to be in their position to be fair
winnings
those people are extremely blessed though. we would all love to be in their position to be fair
IM GLAD IM NOT A WINNER ,I WOULD MOAN IF I HAD TO PAY A BIG TAX ON MY WINNINGS,
NOT EVEN DONALD TRUMP PAYS 60% TAX ,IVE BEEN A LOSER ALL MY LIFE AND WHEN I FIND MY WINNING SYSTEM IVE 60% TAX TO LOOK FORWARD TO PAY ,
I JOINED BETFAIR BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WAS MY FRIEND ,AND THAT THEY DIDNT LIKE THE BOOKIES AS WELL AS ME ,
THEY SAID COME AND JOIN US ,AND LETS HET FAIR PLAY FOR ALL
I JOINED BETFAIR BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WAS MY FRIEND ,AND THAT THEY DIDNT LIKE THE BOOKIES AS WELL AS ME ,
THEY SAID COME AND JOIN US ,AND LETS HET FAIR PLAY FOR ALL
>>Your account has not incurred Premium Charges. If you become eligible to incur Premium Charges in the future, we will contact you before any charges are paid. If you require any further assistance, please contact
Love the use of "eligible " in this instance. Makes it sound like a club you want to join.
Love the use of "eligible " in this instance. Makes it sound like a club you want to join.
one thing you cant do is borrow a friends account that has lost quite a lot and never pay him 20% for using it
not really know all cos you get caught and they WILL back charge you
Having had a brief and unsatisfying encounter with Betduck, it would take a really big deal to move across to them in any serious way.
As the saying goes 'Stick with the devil you know'!
As the saying goes 'Stick with the devil you know'!
know all/patrick starr - and with a new account how do you expect to actually pick consistent winning bets?
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