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premium charge - how does it work?

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By:
The Investor
When: 09 Dec 10 17:42
^
How is that possible?
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 09 Dec 10 17:43
Marksman, if that's the case it must have been because of one of the scenarios I've described in my 12.23 post.
By:
Ron Pillock
When: 09 Dec 10 18:57
premium charge - how does it work?

If I remember its summat like , think of a number, double it, multiply it by the number of bets you have a day, divide by the number of winners, take away the number you first thought of and multiply by 3.......and if it comes to less than 20, think of another number.
By:
Avocado
When: 09 Dec 10 19:11
I think the basic premise of it is that betfair are greedy cvnts and take money out of your account if you win, something like that
By:
.Marksman.
When: 09 Dec 10 19:31
Eddie, I was still below the 20% threshold, so I did come into category 1.  I misread your post.
By:
SelkirkAgain
When: 10 Dec 10 22:19
Avocado massaging his figures to make it look like he's a winning punter.

LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Avocado
When: 10 Dec 10 22:40
I'm a winner on here but overall I'm down
By:
Rocket to the FACE
When: 10 Dec 10 22:50
er
By:
SelkirkAgain
When: 11 Dec 10 00:25
er indeed.
By:
Avocado
When: 11 Dec 10 00:26
whats the er about?
By:
Rocket to the FACE
When: 11 Dec 10 00:33
down er
By:
Avocado
When: 11 Dec 10 00:35
?
By:
LMansini
When: 11 Dec 10 00:43
it can happen like with me if you are a long way up for the first 250 markets you can lose a lot,  then win a little the next week and pay PC charge on it cuz you havnt made up to 20 % yet
By:
SelkirkAgain
When: 11 Dec 10 14:12
You're one of life's losers, Avocado.
By:
stewarty b
When: 11 Dec 10 15:43
Betfair felt a tad sorry for the purple site and decided to give them some extra buisness...
By:
Avocado
When: 11 Dec 10 20:15
not really selkirk but think what u like
By:
SelkirkAgain
When: 11 Dec 10 22:18
Ok.
By:
Avocado
When: 11 Dec 10 23:07
you're forgiven
By:
ZEALOT
When: 12 Dec 10 23:52
are all the PC players only paying 2% commision
surely nobody pays it in 5% ???
By:
turtleshead
When: 13 Dec 10 01:16
What on earth are you on about, the vast majority who pay it are on 5% or near to it. If you are on 2 it's extremely easy to avoid.
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 13 Dec 10 09:58
turtleshead is correct in his first statement and I don't think anyone on 2% can keep up the strike rate needed to pay PC in the long run, but it's certainly possible to hit both 2 % and pay PC for a short while when on a good run.
   I don't think he is correct in his statement about avoiding the charge for 2 %'s though.
By:
The Investor
When: 13 Dec 10 14:46
Eddie,

It's correct that it's easier to avoid on a low commission rate. A sub 3% commission payer profits from otherwise breakeven strategies. A PC payer paying 3%+ commission suffers as a result of employing the same strategy (ignoring the beneficial effects of accumulation of commission points).

2% commission payer                                   
Win markets (£)    Lose Markets (£)GP    CommPay    CommGen    PC    NET    Charges paid (%)
100,000    50,000            50,000    2,000    1,750    8,250    39,750    20.5
110,000    60,000            50,000    2,200    2,000    8,000    39,600    20.4
200,000    150,000            50,000    4,000    4,250    5,750    40,250    19.5
                                   
5% commission payer                                   
Win markets (£)    Lose Markets (£)GP    CommPay    CommGen    PC    NET    Charges paid (%)
100    50            50    5.00    3.25    6.75    38.25    23.50
110    60            50    5.50    3.65    6.35    38.15    23.70
200    150            50    10.00    7.25    2.75    36.25    25.50
By:
The Investor
When: 13 Dec 10 14:50
Sorry for the crappy formatting. When I say 'breakeven strategy' it refers to a breakeven GP, obviously a strategy that breaks even after commission would be beneficial no matter what commission rate you are on.
By:
Escapee
When: 13 Dec 10 15:32
Investor, to format stuff, just put 2 pipe '|' characters at the start and end of the line and between each field

i.e. pp FIELD 1 pp FIELD 2 pp ( where pp = 2 x | )
FIELD 1 FIELD 2




2% commission payer
Win markets (£)    Lose Markets (£)GP    CommPay    CommGen    PC    NET    Charges paid (%)
100,000    50,000            50,000    2,000    1,750    8,250    39,750    20.5
110,000    60,000            50,000    2,200    2,000    8,000    39,600    20.4
200,000    150,000            50,000    4,000    4,250    5,750    40,250    19.5

                                   
5% commission payer
Win markets (£)    Lose Markets (£)GP    CommPay    CommGen    PC    NET    Charges paid (%)
100    50            50    5.00    3.25    6.75    38.25    23.50
110    60            50    5.50    3.65    6.35    |38.15    23.70
200    150            50    10.00    7.25    2.75    36.25    25.50
By:
Escapee
When: 13 Dec 10 15:35
not sure thats how you wanted it but you get the idea
By:
SelkirkAgain
When: 13 Dec 10 15:56
Hypothetical example here (obviously when you read it)

BF user lays a market for £10 with the intention of winning £100 per day. Some winners amongst those lays but hits his target of £100 every day over a period of 6 months.

Is he liable for the PC?
By:
.Marksman.
When: 13 Dec 10 16:37
SelkirkAgain,  I haven't a clue whether he would be liable for PC or not.  And I bet if you rang up the Betfair help desk, they wouldn't know either.
By:
SelkirkAgain
When: 13 Dec 10 16:46
Marksman, it seems as certain people on here know far more about the PC than BF staff. Shocking state of events.
By:
The Investor
When: 13 Dec 10 18:49
Thanks Escapee!

It's:
Win markets(£)   Lose Markets(£) GP        CommPay        CommGen        PC        NET        Charges paid (%)
By:
The Investor
When: 13 Dec 10 18:51
actually:

Win markets(£) Lose Markets(£) GP CommPay CommGen PC NET Charges paid (%)
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