Greyhound laying

are you using the sp to work out youre losers

On paper I use the SP to work out losers but in general I never risk more than £12 on one dog, and freddiewilliams you arrogant tw*t if you dont like the thread don't read it.

A premium charge has nothing to do with me. I play at small stakes and DO NOT PROFESS TO BE ANY KIND OF EXPERT you ar*se hole

freddie .... quality mate

This thread could be titled " Get fcked greyhound laying ? "

pmsl

What a set of ****s..... bitter people that can't stand to see somebody do well.

Get a life.

do well ?

two quid a time ?

9 out of 9 correct at Hall green, that + £18.

Yes mate. That is doing well.

PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If your sure sure get you money on my lay selections to win.

ryan, do yourself a favour and go on the daily bags thread on the greyhound forum, i did well today and got out. there are guys there who make money every day and post their selections up, there are guys there also who lose and post their selections up everyday before each race. they all know about the premium charge, and you would be welcomed, you have to appreciate that you are swimming with sharks outside of that forum! ... and they will eat you alive

14 out of 16 correct so far.

+£22

ENOUGH SAID.

well done ryan, now see if you can do it tommorrow, then the next day, then next week, next month and then the whole of next year.

i bet you can't .......

I've done it every day for the last 7 and made an average of £35 per day laying at £2.

of course I will lay winners from time to time. So what?

I will challenge anyone to post their lay selections for any of tomorrows meets and I will do the same, and we can see who comes out on top.

And if none of you want to do that, you best keep it buttoned.

Simple as.

only a mug would post his selections up for the whole day in advance in the winter with weather like this, there are reserves running all over the country and track bias is a major factor !

der ...........

Ryan 88  hey big  mouth  so your 18 points up  it aint half time  yet ... tell me how you doing  at 21.12 Yarmouth .. zip will take you on  tomorrow ..

Hall green: 10 out of 10
Sheffield 7 0ut 0f 9
half way.

And 'zip' don't talk about yourself in the third person, its gay.

"On paper I use the SP to work out losers but in general I never risk more than £12 on one dog"

If you can show me a system to lay rags on BF at industry SP I will give you 10k. Every meeting every day the no hopers are between 7/2 to 10's on the show yet 20 to lay on here.

The dogs i choose to lay aren't 'rags' they are often favourites or second favourites.

And If it isn't possible to lay at odds of 7 or less then I leave it. Simple as.

Hall green: 10 out of 10
Sheffield: 7 out or 9
Monmore: 7 out of 8
Yarmouth: Starts at 18.33

jacks will you give me 10k as well ?

Ryan, dear me. Have a word with yourself mate & take things a little easier.

I might be wrong, but I got a sneaky feeling this might end in tears.

Best of lucky though, always welcome new people to the dogs. Like Irishone says, try the bags threads. It is very easy going & welcoming too and you won't be putting yourself up on show like this while you get to grips with things.

"The dogs i choose to lay aren't 'rags' they are often favourites or second favourites."Ryan88  06 Dec 10 18:15

I agree dave, he laid 4 S P rags out of 10 selections at hall green. Clearly delusional and living in denial.

Hall Green:   
11.03 trap 5    2nd 5-1 rag
11.19 trap 6    2nd 3-1 2ndf
11.34 trap 2    6th 8-1 rag
11.48 trap 5    2nd 4-1
12.04 trap 3    4th 2-1 2nd fav
12.18 trap 2    3rd 7-1 rag
12.32 trap 3    3rd 9-2
12.47 trap 1    5th 5-1
13.04 -   
13.19 trap 5    2nd 5-1 rag
13.33 trap 6    3rd 3-1 2nd fav
13.51 -

Denial is one deep river, I hope he can swim!

I make a steady profit, maybe not much but profit is profit.

So what is the problem?

4 out of 4 so far at yarmouth.

Ryan, I haven't got a problem at all. Good luck.

Ryan, are you kwijibo or pappillionmybiggestwinner?

???? am I what?

No probs Dave, this thread was in no way meant to be about 'me being an expert' or making anyone rich or winning a fortune, i just thought i'd show how a make a small steady profit.

Total for today at 4 meets: 31 out of 34 correct lays

hall green: 10 out of 10
Monmore: 7 out of 8
Sheffield: 7 out of 9
Yarmouth: 7 out of 7

"Ryan 88  hey big  mouth  so your 18 points up  it aint half time  yet ... tell me how you doing  at 21.12 Yarmouth .. zip will take you on  tomorrow .."

+£53 for today

was +£38 yesterday and +£19 the day before and so on...

Not saying I cant lose but I show profit.

AND NOBODY CAN KNOCK THAT.

use betfair prices when laying and include commission in totals and you might gain some respect

but so far so good...

btw the bf markets tell u all u need to know in this game

Don't you just love posts that end with a deep mysterious telling phrase like " btw the bf markets tell u all u need to know in this game ".

spot on IQMC ... not to mention deduction for the premium charge !

GOOD LUCK to you Ryan, look forward to seeing your posts on a regular basis .

Let me ask a simple question from an all time non layer or backer of any and all doggies.
Is greyhound racing supposed to be as corrupt and fixed as HR ?

I am sure there are instances of corruption out there but its a matter of degree. I have had the first six months of 2010 results analysed and
only 4 of them actually won, so if it is bent and corrupt the guys putting on the money aren't doing a very good job
meet/date/time/grade/trap name/bf s p /cash put on/ total cash put on race/percentage of bf market

BAGS cards / Crayfd 16th Feb    16/02/2010 16:08    A2 380m    6. Coolasabreeze    2.1    68755    97585    70.46%
BAGS cards/Hove 2nd Apr    02/04/2010 11:42    A11 515m    2. Jaykays Blackie    3.6    65578    85275.78    76.90%
BAGS cards / Crayfd 16th Feb    16/02/2010 15:48    A4 380m    6. Newlawn Chloe    4.3    51240    64991    78.84%
BAGS cards / Crayfd 16th Feb    16/02/2010 16:47    A7 380m    6. Rachel Dubh    3.6    48696    65186    74.70%
BAGS cards / Sund 11th Feb    11/02/2010 12:04    A5 450m    5. Mill Ferrari    2.98    47453    65014    72.99%
BAGS cards / Crayfd 16th Feb    16/02/2010 17:07    A5 380m    6. Cavansheath Joy    1.65    45327.9    61119.06    74.16%
BAGS cards / Hove 28th Apr    28/04/2010 16:56    A8 515m    6. Dartanian    2.98    42589.84    54113.52    78.70%
BAGS cards / Sund 12th Jan    12/01/2010 17:33    A4 450m    6. Market Flavour    3.45    40681    60304    67.46%
BAGS cards / Hove 10th Feb    10/02/2010 16:08    A3 515m    1. Droopys Isla    1.77    38886.76    52580.06    73.96%
BAGS cards/Oxfd 26th Mar    26/03/2010 13:33    A5 450m    6. Leamaneigh Lord    2.7    37835    51123    74.01%

sorry this should have read ....

** I have had the first six months of 2010 results analysed and of the top ten gambles ... only 4 of them actually won.....

apologies

Agree thay you need to state the Betfair odds when you give the results .  Some of the odds you get on Betfair for the dogs are crazy, often in double figures.

As a bit of fun because you seem to want a challenge i will post lays for the two morning programmes.  It took me 10 minutes to do it and i rarely bet on the dogs.  Just a bit of fun and an experiment to see if i can get lucky so to speak.


Notts Lays   

11.03 T1
11.19 T5
11.34 T1
11.48 T5
12.04 T5
12.18 T6
12.32 T1
12.47 T6
1.04  T5
1.19  T6
1.33  T2
1.51  T4

Perry Barr Lays

11.11 T4
11.28 T5
11.42 T1
11.57 T6
12.12 T5
12.27 T5
12.42 T2
12.58 T1
1.12  T5
1.27  T4
1.44  T6
2.03  T2

Notts:
11.03 t1
11.19 t3
11.34 t5
11.48 t6
12.04 t5
12.18 t6
12.32 t2
12.47 t4
13.04 t3
13.19 t2
13.33 t1
13.51 t4

Perry:
11.11 t1
11.28 t1
11.42 t1
11.57 t5
12.12 t1
12.27 t5
12.42 t3
12.58 t1
13.12 t5
13.27 t4
13.44 t4
14.02 t4

Last one a perry is 14.03 not 14.02***

I know f*Ck all about greyhound racing but whenever I watch the markets nothing happens until the last minute or two. is this people watching the dogs coming out or what  ?

On here I think it has a lot to do with the races being so close together, say somebody has a fiver on a race at 11.13 and the next race is at 11.20 a lot of people will wait until their bets from the previous race have settled before they do anything on the next race. But their will be people who wait for the prices to settle so they can pick the true favs etc.

just a thought.

Picked a winner there myself, it went off at 4.4 so wouldn't have been to hard on the bank.

Oh and just for the record... when I first posted here and said 'selling my lay selections' I meant actually posting the bets for a couple of quid not selling them to others to lay!!!!

Im not that desperate for £2!!! ha

4.4 ain't too bad at all, if I cant get my lays matched for 7 or less I leave it well alone.

Rocket
I think they're all just trying to decide which one is the best looking.

Thats seems the problem Ryan, you do get some high odds on the dogs.

True, I try to keep my max liability to £12 or less so I can lay a dog at 7 for £2 or a dog at 4 for £4 etc
to avoid any massive losses

Gee does 6*2 =12 ?
Well I never.
Now there's a selection criterium for you.
Very scientific.
Btw it seems to be widely accepted knowledge by the " pros " on here that laying the really long odds in sports betting is where the true value is.
Not so to you though ?
Why would that be ?
Just curious.

Ryan88.. years ago i made a book at the white city  Manchester  one of the first in the country  to cover BAGS  you would be lucky to hold  1500 quid  per meeting  there was 8 races then .. if they came for a fav  strong  it  sluzzed in ..
Bags is cannon foder for the betting  shops ..

Showing your age again Zipper.
Ryan's a " modern " boy, sorry man, isn't it obvious ?

Frog  Get yourself a pitch on any Bags Track .. you will learn more  in a month than listing  too new boys on here no offence

Wouldn't expect I would last 5 mins let alone a month.
Same for most truth be told.

fafh... not entirely true mate. over the past 7 years, at sunderland you would be right, not so at swindon though, so it depends on the track and the experience of the grader imho.

Irshone  .. graders on the dogs  i could name   two  Robert Rowe  senior  grader   at  the top   London  tracks   for  25 years  now working  Belle  Vue  Manchester  ... and  MR  Gent  Himself.... Mr Eddie Thomas At  The White City Manchester ...

Horses  MR Phill Smith .
them were the days ....

been down this road many many times with the dogs, id be shocked if theres anybody in the uk today who has watched more dog races and compiled more stats than i did in 2008/9, i couldnt make it pay.  i did everything i possibly could to find a stats/form reading method of selecting greyhounds, more than on any other sport ive ever attempted to specialise in.  theres so many races everyday and i love the sport, which kept me going alot longer than i probably should have, i wasted alot of time and money trying to make it pay.  my longest ever winning run was laying the dogs, 39 in a row picking 3 a day, all of my biggest wins have been on the greyhounds backing. 

if i could lay at the bookies prices then id be typing this message half p1ssed from my yaucht in monaco, betfairs 100% markets and % take from winning bets eats away at any hope you ever have making it stick long term.

infact towards the end i trialled backing the dogs i rated as being the very worst, it was almost a break even system ffs.

on the plus side, it led me onto something that i would never have discovered without the legwork, so i never look back with regrets, but please be honest with yourself Ryan with the prices and returns your settling this trial to.  a dog thats 6/1 on course can be anything between 7.0 and 40.0 on here.

also consider that unless youre planning on sitting by your computer from 11am till 10pm at night, theres no way to get these lays on at reasonable prices, automated software can help, but if theres a delay then you'll start feeding money into markets too early for the rest of the day. 

good luck though lad maybe youve got something about you that i dont.

Ishone,  And  Frog, Heres a story that is completely true.Many years ago Manchester had a champion Ballinska Band who won the Puppy Cup , the grader at that time , told me while we were having a drink in the bar after racing that its the best dog I've ever seen.It ran in 2 Derbys, in them days there were 6 rounds. In its first Derby it won all 5 rounds, started odds on in the final & got beat. Next year, same again.My point is it won 10 out of twelve but lost when it mattered.Aint that heartbreaking for the owner Mr Bacci.

ryan are you just laying dogs with a negative comment in RP?


i went through your first six or seven races and most were big prices......none were favs or second favs contráry to your comment

similar to toomaline this year, ballinska was 70's wasnt it ? im sure i saw it...

think bob rowe was my old boss at the don in the 70's .. am i right ?

iqmc ... the poor lad hasn't a scoobydooo mate

Zipper,think your memory has let you down,Balliniska Band won the 1977 derby in a new tr of 29.16.I agree with your point even though the example was wrong.

Irishone  if you dont know  who you are.. How the hell would i know .... its only a bit of fun

as you well know zipper your mind starts to go as the grey hairs multiply mate ... 

mr rowe was comical, used to run out of the office when certain owners rang in .....

Clacherholiday .. A very good post .. well done  hope these kids can learn from your experence ....very well put .

My age... 22. But none the less the dogs I layed today were just for fun on this thread, I havent had time to place any bets yet today and din't have time to have a proper look at any form so yes, a lot of the dogs today will be rags and not 2nd favs etc

I'm lucky in that respect clacher , i teach stats and a bit of programming part-time in a college so i get the students to analyse the stats for me as part of their coursework. Some of the things they come up with absolutely blow your mind, i have to check them sometimes to see if they are true and nine times out of ten it comes back to rank bad grading at the track.

"din't have time to have a proper look at any form "

oh dear

I finished :-

10/12 successful lays at Notts

12/12 successful lays at Perry Barr [:D]


How did you do Ryan?  Nothing wrong with having a bit of fun in this game mate and one thing i have learnt is that you are never to old to learn [;)]

clacherholiday2, just read your post... Im using betfair for recreational purposes and not to make money long term, making a few quid is just a bonus but obviously I dont wanna lose my small bank in a hurry. I'll take the dogs ive layed today in this thread, 8/10 correct at notts... Im not saying I would actually have layed every dog I chose out of the 10 races, I would only have layed the dogs I chose if the price was right. however the 2 winners i layed may have been the only 2 dogs out of the 10 that i felt i could lay so i would obviously be at a loss.

Great post.

10/12 at notts and
12/12 at perry bar... same lol

Hector  your post 14.00   you are right  Balliska Band  did indeed win the  1977   Greyhounds Derby  in record time  29.16. but has you get older the mind plays tricks ...well done

Zipper ive had a think about it (doesnt usually help) was it Myretown and Balliniska getting mixed around.No doubt its winning when it really matters that counts.

irishone

I'm lucky in that respect clacher , i teach stats and a bit of programming part-time in a college so i get the students to analyse the stats for me as part of their coursework. Some of the things they come up with absolutely blow your mind, i have to check them sometimes to see if they are true and nine times out of ten it comes back to rank bad grading at the track.


very true, some of the upgrades/downgrades can often appear totally random when viewed through maths specs.  anybody who is studying greyhound form needs to stay very focussed on what it is they are looking for, when 2 dogs run 400 meters they have the difference between them measured in tenths of a second, its not as clear cut as the numbers have us believe.

itd be interesting to see what the students came up with, assuming they were fresh to gambling.  did they pick winners?

Hector  your right  it was Myretown  not sure about the spelling  owned by  F Curwen  the presidant of the course club   sorry for the spelling  .. but zip has  a few over the top . Good man  You

Hector... hey  both  dogs were both great  CHAMPS

Clacher, over the years only a couple have gone on to analyse results and back them but with little success. One guy did a study of irish results at Galway and was down there one night and he picked a winner, told me to back it (I didn't) and it won in a very dodgy photo at 4/9. Hardly profitable ! (The photo had been rubber stamped "OFFICIAL PHOTOGRAPH" over the nose of the 6 dog so you could not see if it had done the jolly !)
Obviously I can't be too specific but in general terms they prove that graders underestimate young improving dogs and that they frequently underestimate the dogs starting yardage in handicaps. As well as that they used correlation to show there was hardly any evidence to prove a perceived track bias from the results of 99% of meetings and more recently they have shown that the bags "gambles" aren't profitable at all unless you get the early prices. All information that anyone who knows anything about dog racing would probrably know anyway !

thats a reassuring post irishone, if youd told me that theyd all gone on to be billionaires id have been upset.

Clacherholiday 2.. zip here .. any track any grade    there is about  .20 spots between  all six   dogs . thats about  2   yards in old money ..thats why its hard to win  backing in  graded races .... now Open Racing  thats  another Story ..  in graded races zip is a layer  .. open races  zip is a backer .

Zipper.

You ran a book at the old White City manchester!!!

I used to go to them meetings . When the BAGS started there, 200-300 people there, 6 books, Lads,Hills Extel in attendance.

I'm goin to the Belle Vue BAGS today. There'll be 10 people there and the  3 books will take about a monkey ALL DAY between em!!

What name did you bet under?

lee

Lee h2  iam only guessing  but i think i know who you are . what name did i bet under .. no can tell   . aint  been to Belle Vue for  12 years .. but i could go throw the card with losers .
Heres Four   first four races .
2.18 Trap...2
2.37 Trap ..3
2.57 Trap.. 3
3.17 Trap .. 4

Lee h2  zip  aint been  to the Zoo  for a long time  but would  bet   The Walmersley twins  are betting    they know the time of day ..whats whats .. the other bookie i had a lot of time for  was Sam Day .. now he was a  very  good judge of a greyhound ..

None today then ryan ?....

p s thats the difference ...

Zipper.

Books at White City for BAGS

Jack Lomas
Walmesley Bros
Ken Mercer
Len Walton ( i think)
Luis Junior (I think)
Curly Clarke

Incidentally,Many years ago I was floorman/clerk for Sam Day. Believe me he knew very little about dogs.

All he could do was price up top 160% and take it from there - of course in those days it was a licence to print money

GL

Lee h2 you are getting mixed up  re BAGS Bookies  at the white city, hey this aint  any no criticsm   it was   after all  40 years ago  Len Walton  bet at B/V  .. Jack Lomas  Bet at Bolton  flapping  track .. you missed me Grandad .. talking  about Bolton  The Flap in the North  all the Champions  Dogs ran there  under   different   names.. the market was very strong   Two  bookies  Jimmy Burns  . and  Maurice Lindsey  .. boss of Wigan  Rugby .. both  were  bookies  at Bolton   .. and  they were proper bookies  ....you could be on ...

I'm not a grandad!

Oh! and jack Lomas had number one pitch (nearst winning line) at White City. (he never, well from 1972 onwards for sure, never bet at any flap)

I know, I used to work for him at the races.

Racking my brain as to who you are...

give us a clue!

Lee2... just to tease  you  The White City  Manchester   1970. and i aint one of these men .. do you remember  Run Away Tony  .. John The Judge .. The Priest Father John..And that Legen Preston Roy .. them were the days  .. Greyform  was the bible ..

Lee h2.talking Greyform  Mr Jack Schneider a total gentleman the proprietor of Greyform, a very good judge, the likes we will never see again...

yep I remember them ( apart from Preston Roy)

Run Away Tony died a few months ago...expect you know that.

They were happy days. The game is struggling now though.

BV couldn't even getb the hare working for wednesdays BAGS. Management Useless.

GL to  you

Lee h2 thanks for your answer  . today it aint dog racing  Bags  is cannon fodder  for the shops . zip seen it coming and got out .. Its the  Horses for me  from my office  at Home

Lee h2  thanks to Betfair  any punter  can sit at home   .. play  bookie  play punter .. no  hours on the roads,   hours in a car  and all that  .. back  / lay  any race .. if you dont have an opinion  stay out .......bliss

hey zipo

agreed, graded BAGS racing should be the preserve of layers, its much easier to pick a dog thats going to take a bump than trying to predict one that wont.

but then only the truly heartless want to be cheering on some poor mut to get tripped, aint for me.

That's a bit strong clacher.

clacher a greyhound fan first and foremost

DaveEdwards   

i just dont like some of guys (no names) who have posted on the daily dogs topic over the past few years who are delighted to hear their lay doing backflips on bend 1 for the sake of winning a fiver.

i just like dogs more than i like gambling, its just me though and never actively try and put people off it as everyones different.

if a boxer or a football breaks a bone you can explain to them why its happened, you cant explain to a dog why its in pain, sadly its all to easy to predict which dogs are likely to tumble about.

fair enough Clacher, the dogs coming home safe & sound is priority number one.

Where's Ryan gone?

Keeping out the way!

I'm just about to read your thread on the doggie forum.

Don't let the b@stards get your down!