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By:
.Marksman.
When: 12 Aug 10 18:44
1.01 Layer, after reading your comment, I think the answer is about one half.
By:
1.01 Layer
When: 12 Aug 10 19:07
Sure it was just a typo, mate.  You sound more literate than most of the posters on these forums.
By:
hillside
When: 12 Aug 10 21:14
I think a little mathematical skill is far more important than the ability to write good english.
By:
Avocado
When: 12 Aug 10 23:46
We could always just use QADTEB (I've written it backwards). No Premium Charge there yet.
By:
MMisapr1ck
When: 13 Aug 10 03:31
Well i thought you hada  nice healthy balance Avocado so why bother about the pc?
By:
Avocado
When: 13 Aug 10 06:25
Because if they put PC on me then that is 20 percent of my profits gone each week.
By:
catfloppo
When: 17 Aug 10 12:53
Your profit is the difference between your winning markets and your losing markets - commission

PC is part of the commission so your profit is what you have left after pc is deducted. If you think otherwise then your aim is blurred ;)
By:
.Marksman.
When: 17 Aug 10 13:43
catfloppo, I do not believe that your statement is correct.  Commission is deducted when each market is settled. PC is a further deduction, which is applied on the Wednesday of the following week.
By:
john92
When: 17 Aug 10 14:20
if he hasnt yet been premium charged then its obvious he will lose 20% of his profits when it is applied.
By:
catfloppo
When: 17 Aug 10 14:38
.Marks,
Whether pc is part of commission depends how you look at it I guess but my point is that Avocado's profit is what is left after pc has been deducted.  That is irrefutable.
By:
baldloaf
When: 17 Aug 10 18:51
You guess.....How do you see the premium charge catfloppo?
By:
catfloppo
When: 17 Aug 10 23:05
As part of the commission structure.
By:
Avocado
When: 18 Aug 10 00:04
20 percent commission is taking the p1ss.
By:
catfloppo
When: 18 Aug 10 00:58
I have paid 30.94% to date
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 18 Aug 10 06:32
catfloppo , I've paid something like 40 - 42 % when you include the 135 k I've paid in PC.
   I assume you haven't paid any PC ?
Why should you pay less than me and do you think that is fair ?
By:
aye robot
When: 18 Aug 10 08:20
I've paid something like 40 - 42 % when you include the 135 k I've paid in PC.

Seriously Eddie- How on earth have you managed to pay so much Comm?

I can understand how a non PC payer can be in this position but if you're well into PC then it seems impossible unless you have colossal historic losses, in which case you won't have been paying any PC for the last year and won't be for a long time to come.
By:
catfloppo
When: 18 Aug 10 08:37
I'm interested to know how that has happened, Eddie. I thought the whole idea of the pc was that it evened out over time at around 20%?  You're right to assume that I have not paid any yet, when the pc was introduced I was running at just over 20% and I tweaked my strategy to boost the rate a little. My primary motive for doing this was because I realised that the 'efficiency' of my strategy was close to Betfair's limit and I wanted to improve my worth to them.  I make my living on here and have always taken the view that I want them to be happy with the relationship, what I am doing and what they are getting out of it.

In terms of fairness, my answer is no, it's not really fair. I have a friend who pays nearly 50% and I'm sure there are some paying even more. What it is though is fairer as the gap between the highest and lowest payers is smaller.
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 18 Aug 10 09:37
aye robot , I was well into PC last year when I was on an exeptional good run, but started this year with a long losing run so I will probably never have to pay PC ever again.
  The PC I paid though is long gone and I'll never see them again even if I'm well above the 20 % threshold.
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 18 Aug 10 09:46
catfloppo , I've made profit every year since I joined , but last year was exeptional and I kept increasing stakes as the winnings was piling up in my account. All that PC is paid during a couple of months last fall.
  The first half of this year was the total opposite and I kept losing money at the same rate as I won them last year.
   The whole PC thing is constructed in such a way that it will catch many traditinal punters on a good run if they are increasing their stakes during the good run.
By:
WBA
When: 18 Aug 10 09:56
I have known people make a lot of money on bf and dont pay the pc there accounts are well in profit whys that?
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 18 Aug 10 10:01
WBA , it's not based on how much profit you make. It's got more to do with your strike rate.
  In order to pay it you will have to have paid less than 20-23 % of your total profit in normal commission.
By:
WBA
When: 18 Aug 10 10:08
cheers for you reply eddie,

So what are saying you could be million in profit but that still does not mean you will pay pc?
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 18 Aug 10 10:17
Not necessarily , it all depends on your strike rate.  If your gross profit is one million you would have had to pay roughly 210 k of that in commission in order to not be charged PC.
By:
catfloppo
When: 18 Aug 10 10:19
Correct WBA.

I can see how that has happened Eddie but don't expect that it catches many traditional punters, it seems a very unusual case.

I'm not sure whether to congratulate you on your good luck or commiserate with you on your bad luck ?!?!
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 18 Aug 10 10:19
* would have had to pay at least roughly 210 k of that *
By:
WBA
When: 18 Aug 10 10:25
What about if i lost last year 500000 in losing bets but still came out on top, im sure then i would of generated enough commision so would that mean i was unlikely to pay it for a while.
By:
catfloppo
When: 18 Aug 10 10:29
Depends on how much you came out on top by.
By:
WBA
When: 18 Aug 10 10:35
My pl says maxium premium charge possibe next wk is £6247 the thought of paying that will make me sick any ways rd it?
By:
catfloppo
When: 18 Aug 10 10:44
Surely that means you are having a very successful week?
By:
WBA
When: 18 Aug 10 10:48
Yes m8 best wk ever so if i win the same or more is that what i will pay?
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 18 Aug 10 10:54
WBA , if you are close to paying PC and had 500k in losses you would incurre PC on any winnings above 582.500 (net profit 82.5 k) if you are on 3 % commission.  Slightly different numbers for other commission rates , but not that far away no matter.
By:
catfloppo
When: 18 Aug 10 11:11
WBA, does your lifetime rate qualify you for pc?  You may be liable based on your weekly figures but if you are over 20% overall you won't pay.
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 18 Aug 10 11:20
Just to clearify my post above ; the profit of 82.5 k would be before commission was deducted.  Your net profit after commission for the year would have to be above 66 k for you to incurre PC if you had total losses of 500 k during the year.
By:
WBA
When: 18 Aug 10 11:26
catfloppo i do pay it but nothing major had good couple wks im now on 20.1% so will have to pay big chunks from now on if maintain the winning run, i just dont fully understand how pc works and when i speak to successful players and they dont pay pc i just can`t get my head round it.
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 18 Aug 10 11:31
WBA , from what you are saying it may look as if they will take the £ 6247 this week.   If so they will be taken around this time.  Keep an eye on your balance.
By:
WBA
When: 18 Aug 10 11:36
oh no!!!! dont give me an heart attack m8
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 18 Aug 10 11:41
Where on the report does it say possible PC £ 6.247 ?
  Is it under the weekly report , life time report , or both ?
By:
WBA
When: 18 Aug 10 11:44
its under last wk side 9/8/10-15/8/10 i think im ok this wk
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 18 Aug 10 11:45
but what does it say at the bottom left side which is your lifetime profile ?
By:
WBA
When: 18 Aug 10 11:49
max possible pc 0.00, total charges 20.1%
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