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I've just paid my yearly fee of £1700 to this mob.
For last years "fee" I got advised to do the following;
1. Move my rules further down the wall, (they were at head height 6 foot ). So if a circus comes to town and a couple of dwarfs/midgets fancy a bet they won't need to stand on a chair to see the rules.
2. Display a complaints procedure on the wall. So if anyone has a complaint they can now write to head office, (which happens to be the shop they are stood in) instead of just having a moan at me as I will be stood in front of them.
I wonder what this years pearls of wisdom will be.
For last years "fee" I got advised to do the following;
1. Move my rules further down the wall, (they were at head height 6 foot ). So if a circus comes to town and a couple of dwarfs/midgets fancy a bet they won't need to stand on a chair to see the rules.
2. Display a complaints procedure on the wall. So if anyone has a complaint they can now write to head office, (which happens to be the shop they are stood in) instead of just having a moan at me as I will be stood in front of them.
I wonder what this years pearls of wisdom will be.
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you'll shortly be paying near on £600 to your local council for your prem licence - they also seem to be there once - carry out a load of 'tick boxes' and advise you similar
In my area, they're applying to govt to increase it, because they say it costs them more to 'administer' Worlds gone crazy |
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I pay the same, to be fair to them it must take up a hell of a lot of time to cash the cheque, and make sure i've got no smoking signs up.
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To think when the idea of a GC was first mooted we thought they would clear up horse racing for us.
 The only thing they've cleaned up is long succession of restuarant plates. |
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Unreal they can charge that. With turftv and sis costs you have no chance really. Shocking state of affairs.
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Gonna give it another 12 months, but I reckon this time next year I could be sat in the corner of a workin mens club, where me only expense will be the pen behind me ear.
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were u at Wollver yes maine for independent meeting ?
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No I didn't go, did you go?
I think it's all a bit too late to be honest, and I remember being urged to sign up for turf tv ( which I did'nt at the time) by people at the meeting which has backfired . I've read the report in the post and think Howard Chisolm hit the nail on the head when he said we would make more money with no horseracing. |
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no never went
very difficult trading times 20k for sis/turf too much without machines wd not be viable |
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Your spot on. I was just thinking of having audio only, which would save about 18k, you could still have all the big meeting on terrestrial. Use teletext for shows/early prices, you wouldn't lose any morning trade and would still kop for all football bets. You would save £1500 a year on your fkin paper bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Forgot to ad SIS have pulled the plug on audio only, it's all or nothing, great help they are eh.
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Maineroad, i'm writing something about the independents struggle, can you email me at gamblingpr@hotmail.com as the Gamb Comm stuff is interesting. Cheers.
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The GC are one of the biggest wastes of time and money that ive ever seen, talk about a Gravy train............
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deffo jobs for the boys stuff
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Diploire, please don't forget to mention that chains with 200+ shops pay £107 per shop for their operating licence whereas a Indy pays £1646 as 'the larger chains are easier to regulate'. I see my Compliance Manager about once a year, he will check that all the machines have their Gamcare stickers on and the the 'Staying in Control' leaflets can be seen under the 3" of dust they have accumulated.
Can anyone tell me a positive of the Gambling Commission, as I can't think of one. The Gaming Board where much better to deal with and a lot cheaper ! |
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To be honest Potteries we've done it to death but it doesn't make a difference. They'll always argue that they have to visit/collect fees from each independent whereas the multiples need less visits and fees are collected centrally without hassle etc. That's why the IBA are so keen to get the co-operative on the road.
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How does one join the IBA ?
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It's through Joe Phillips of Cheshire Racing, thought they had a website but can't find it.
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Mainroad...Is that true about audio only being scrapped because thats all i have at moment. If they take that away they might as well take the f**king keys.
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Flem; I think you are ok if thats what you already have. I don't think they will allow anyone who takes the full service to cancel the pictures and just have audio, so you will be ok, but it will stop anyone else trying audio only.
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just been thru the options of 'reducing' the SIS content, and was told 'audio' is not avaiable as an option
The things I was offered to drop, only made a max 10% saving, so was left with either keep or drop altogether! One solution to consider is if your shop is adjacent to a pub or 'another' shop/unit - to agree a 'fee' for the owner to buy Sky and show ATR whenever races are on - your customers will only be mildly put out, but the savings could be well worthwhile (I know Ascot is the anomoly, but some of it is on terr. TV anyway) |
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Surely your not allowed to show atr/ruk in the betting shop!
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flem
read it again - its not in the betting shop |
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A while back i was on their website and read a profile of one of their employees,she stated how proud she was of the fact that nobody within the organisation was recruited from any gaming background.If that is true i do feel for you independents dealing with the jumped up pen pushers.
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Norton you are spot all the members of the gambling commission know nothing about gambling/bookmaking.
one advert for a compliance officer said must be able to work from home, but no knowledge of betting and gaming needed? The top man at the gambling commission thinks a round robin is a fat bird, a heinz is a tin o beans, and a dundee shuffle is a scottish dance. |
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To think when the idea of a GC was first mooted we thought they would clear up horse racing for us.
The only thing they've cleaned up is long succession of restuarant plates. is this your big government epiphany? |
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perhaps you lot should get in touch with the government cuts consultation. they are looking for things to axe......
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Not paid for by the taxpayer so they won`t be on the hit list I`m afraid.
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You are correct in saying that they didn't recruit any one from the gambling industry. I was told this by the the guy who was deciding whether I should get a operating license or not - his previous job - a milkman !!
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The Gambling Commission are also checking that bookmakers aren't serving under-age people, with the threat of closure for those who continue to fail to ask people for proof of age...
That's fail "Think 21", by the way. I think I'm right in saying that they can't send anyone younger than 18 into the shop, which means that you can fail, despite technically having not failed. What a farce. I strongly feel that they're trying to tackle a problem which simply doesn't exist. A pointless quango. |
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With the number of independents going to the wall (est. 30 a month) as costs continue to rise, then the poor old GC (and local auths) are quickly going to realise their 'income' will be falling by £2K+ per shop
So, in their infinite wisdom, they will probably keep the 'big boys' fees at £190 and the indies that are left, will be charged 3 or 4K per year!! repeat - worlds gone crazy |
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With every Independent that closes about 100k a year goes out of the economy, but they don't seemed bothered.
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I think I'm right in saying that they can't send anyone younger than 18 into the shop
They are allowed to send under 18`s into shops. |
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The betting industry has been self regulated for over 40 years. Now we have to pay £1700 a year to someone to regulate it.
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how is the GC allowed to send a minor into a LBO. Surely it is breaking the law ? |
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how is the GC allowed to send a minor into a LBO. Surely it is breaking the law ? This was raised before when they did their under age checks. Apparently there is a section of the gambling act that specifically allows them to send in under 18`s for the purpose of carrying out age checks. |
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slightly immoral
cheers tho b |
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Not paid for by the taxpayer so they won`t be on the hit list I`m afraid.
are you suggesting they actually manage to break even after all their pointless expenses? have you taken account of all the tax they lose out on as bookies go out of business because they don't fancy paying the charges, the displacement of their employees from taxed and gainful employment elsewhere and their pension arrangements? |
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Regulators in the UK all have one thing in common. They exist to enable big business to crush their competitors and fleece their customers.
At least the GC are open about it, their fee structure is so in favour of the major chains there cannot be any doubt about it. Look how many independents are going out of business. What have the GC ever done for a punter? Gambling "fair and open" LOL. On this site there isn't a day goes by without someone matching bets on something that has already finished. Look how many smaller building societies have gone under while the FSA have been "regulating". This while the larger banks have had their casino bets funded by taxpayers! |
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Look at pubs. BREWERIES limited to having a maximum of 2,000 pubs. So, they "sold" pubs to property companies who put the beer supply out to tender. Guess which breweries "won" the tender.
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