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CLYDEBANK29
23 Apr 10 14:53
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by taking the time and effort to make a conscious decision to bet something, so that making a little effort will lead you to bet something that on summary face value looks good value, but due to that fact, actually bad value

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By:
modk
When: 23 Apr 10 14:56
Is it possible to do worse in the long run than a proverbial pin sticker?

Most will just do the same
By:
modk
When: 23 Apr 10 14:57
Even with the research
By:
DFCIRONMAN
When: 23 Apr 10 14:59
Ask zipper ...he uses his nurse's needle to select em ]:)
By:
Crisp77
When: 23 Apr 10 15:06
I reckon you would be about 5% down give or take a % or two however good you were.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 23 Apr 10 15:10
yeah must be possible didnt some racing pundit get beat my a dog? reckon its quiet common actually.
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brendanuk1
When: 23 Apr 10 15:12
for example studying form all morning, make your picks. Go to the bookies. but 100s have done same thing and beat you to the best prices? what do you do? stick with your picks or lay them now?
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brendanuk1
When: 23 Apr 10 15:17
thanks if they even look at the prices.
By:
getting better
When: 23 Apr 10 17:07
Perhaps if you followed the tips of whichever tipster did best each week in the following week you would get some really bad value and do worse than the pin sticker
By:
Lori
When: 23 Apr 10 17:11
Very much so CB, it's a common phenomenon, especially in American sports where people look at the wrong stats.
By:
The Investor
When: 23 Apr 10 17:46
In highly liquid markets like match odds for big football games, I can't see how you could do much worse betting before the start of the game.

Backing and or laying randomly in highly liquid match odds markets (where the difference between back and lay price does not exceed "one price increment") there are two factors to consider to work out your negative expectancy:

First is expected loss due to commission.
Second is the expected loss due to the spread ( the fair price should be the back or lay price at the extreme, but usually somewhere in between the two).

However if people are able to profit consistently in these markets pre kick-off by taking offers (as opposed to creating the spread), they must also be taking this money from somewhere, so perhaps the effects would be slightly more negative than assumed, taking only the two primary factors in consideration. That's a difficult one to work out though.

In less liquid markets the spreads are such that random betting would result in losses piling up much faster.

Certain winners may be able to make similar amounts in illiquid markets (low amount matched but high edge) as highly liquid markets (high amount matched but low edge).
By:
the silverback
When: 23 Apr 10 19:19
Definitely.

Pins have no emotions nor an ability to over-complicate things or make wrongly thought out decisions.

Nor can pins over-react to what they hear or be swayed by their fellow pins and their sticking decisions.
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brendanuk1
When: 23 Apr 10 19:28
should do a schake style challege with random picks
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