Looking for a 'football technician'

From what I've seen the warmest poster goes by the name of Kenilworth. Whether he wants to get involved would be another matter.

I can do 30 keepy ups :)

Magician
How modest of you to say that you and one other should be able to compete with teams of 20, including PHDs.
Impressive modesty I must say.
Quality not quantity eh ?

magic i make consistant profits on footy bets..on my own.
same old story mate, why would any1 wanna share thier profit methods with any1 ?
including you.
you over complicate everything.
there are simple methods that work.
GL in your lifetime search.

Bet your relieved by that rejection Magician.
I would be too.

" Bet you're relieved ----- "
Just before someone else points out the error.

Perhaps it would help if you give a little detail as to your reputation?

email sent

Goldy you muppet, he doesnt wants a system or anyones secrets - he wants someone to enter the stats and set the thing up, he doesnt want tips he wants hard work !

Can't find a way to contact you through the listed site - can you put up a dummy email or something?

Thanks

unusual skill typing whilst sleeping.

Delta

would be happy to try some ideas with You



Betfairy

you have seen enough of me to know.... (surely)

others thanks for getting in contact

Magic you seem to have a couple of fans on here.
Namely...YOULITTLEBOTTY & Hugh G Rection.
Oh yes, whats all that about eh ?. LOL ! ;)

Goldy
Say something smart and/or witty, and you never know you might get a few fans too.

I've sent an email to the ** address I have for you.

Cheers.

hot mail

Guys

got several responses... will come back to all of you just after Easter

The Magician what is a contact email for you?

email on above link

how about a medium who'll get in touch with Alan Woods - now that's a syndicate I will join :-)

^ U used to be a medium :(

what I can give is a strategy with

1255 bets in 8 month with 41.2 profit (level stakes) and commission paid. max draw down 24.34

would this be enough to join?

Stewarts

I am not looking for stratergies from people to be honest... I am looking for a loive of soccder and data skills, to build maitain and provide data ( and mayber stratergies later) for a betting bot.

having said that - I would never turn down an Idea that was logical, based on hard work or data - and profitable.... but 1800 dta points wouold need to be tested for real performance

get in touch... sounds interesting

Can't imagine anyone who is doing ok would want to get involved with others. Just an opinion.

I often wonder if I'm missing out by not joining such schemes.

please can someone explain

.... but 1800 dta points wouold need to be tested for real performance

tia

if you have a system that works do not give it away

kenilworth 05 Apr 17:13
Can't imagine anyone who is doing ok would want to get involved with others. Just an opinion.

Interesting, not an opinion I've ever understood. Gambling is naturally a fairly solitary pastime, but I don't know what I or anyone else would have to lose through information sharing/pooling of resources - e.g. If my premiership bets show a long-term yield of 7%, I've got very little to lose by sharing them, especially once my money is down. Admittedly I might not make much in return since I may well end up getting more than I give, but that's the biggest/only risk. Its not going to move the market one iota. If I don't like the arrangement, I walk away.

Just my opinion.

Treble, if you joined some syndicate and shared your system/strategy/picks you'd presumably want something in return. So you would invest in other people's systems/strategies/picks?

Why not just invest more in your own?

I completely endorse Betfairy's reply re Treble Underscore's post.

In short, can the sum ever be worth more than the parts?

"what I can give is a strategy with

1255 bets in 8 month with 41.2 profit (level stakes) and commission paid. max draw down 24.34

would this be enough to join?"

No. Would be a big step back. Should that read 1255 bets /day over 8 months?

The Betfairy 06 Apr 09:13
Treble, if you joined some syndicate and shared your system/strategy/picks you'd presumably want something in return. So you would invest in other people's systems/strategies/picks?

Why not just invest more in your own?

i) diversification? Possible smoothing of returns - hoping that when I have a bad run, associates don't.

ii) Essentially I would hope to find the following:

a) an insight into betting on one sport I haven't yet managed to crack

or b) a common area where, when we have a consensus, the consensus allows us to achieve greater results.

So let's use the following as a possible example:

Quadruple_Underscore has placed 4000 bets over the last 10 football seasons. Yield of 7% long-term.

Canalworth has placed 4000 bets over the last 10 football seasons. Yield of 7% long-term.

When Quadruple_underscore and Canalworth have disagreed on a game and bet opposite sides of the handicap, both their subsets have achieved a yield of -2%.

When Quadruple_underscore and Canalworth have agreed on a game and bet accordingly and in unison but independently of each other, that subset has a yield of 20% long term. A worthwhile exercise I'm sure you'd agree.

iii) Increasing volume will always (when you get to a saturation point, whatever that is) result in decreasing yield. E.g. let's say I tell you a great way to make profits at betfair SP, and show you 10000 results, all to £2 level stakes at BFSP. Take that forward by betting £2000 per race for the next 10000 selections, and see what happens. You crush the prices and your edge/margin/profit.

Or in fact the answer to the question: Why not just invest more in your own? Could well be another question - Why not do both?

Not sure what you're asking for.

Are you after someone who will do your donkey work such as collecting stats/data and that's all or someone to work with and share ideas and place bets together on a two way basis?

Should that read 1255 bets /day over 8 months?

1255 bets over the period of 8 month. an average of 5 bets a day.

Treble, I appreciate the point you are trying to make about sharing etc, but what do you do when the person you told your strategy to decides to blab it all over the forum?

Don't think for one minute you can trust everyone you deal with here. (Magician, not that I'm referring to you btw).

The betting world is full of jealousy. It wouldn't take much for someone to fall out.

My area is dogs and I have something that works. I've shared the approach with two other people and always felt that was one too many. Actually, using the same strategy different people can interpret the available data in a different manner and arrive at very different conclusions, but essentially I wouldn't want what I do becoming public knowledge.

Appreciate your points Dave. But then you are operating in a market where the average race (assuming you bet daily) has what, 3000 - 6000 "matched" - not sure how much of that you could strip out for trading - and very few other outs for winning punters (perhaps commission agents, getting runners to put on in shops, etc).

I'm operating in markets where volumes traded are 1000 times that on here sometimes and there are also a considerable amount more outs.

I agree that there's no point in you sharing info in those markets with me, for example, since then we would both be competing for slices in the same pie, chasing the liquidity on here.

Also, I'm not advocating a "full pants-down" revelation to anyone else! But offering markets where your tissue differs significantly enough from the current market price wouldn't give much away.

Of course, you are going to need to use your judgement of character, etc, and account for human nature/tw@ts. But I'm just trying to put across a point that I feel the likes of Ken, yourself, betfairy may not have considered.

you're the same person?

rocket, if you are suggesting myself and treble are the same person you are well off the mark. I only have on log in.

Think he means me and magician - and that's a no.

treb, I thought he may have been referring to the similar opening sentence.

You are of course correct in that I have more to lose than any football bettor due to the size of pools involved. It would be great to have a serious betting debate discussing cutting edge issues, but from what I have seen of threads like that here is that people tend to want others to divulge without letting too much go themselves. People working together could of course move ideas forward, but fear of losing any edge stops them as you know.

Rocket to the FACE 06 Apr 17:35


Not sure what you're asking for.

Are you after someone who will do your donkey work such as collecting stats/data and that's all or someone to work with and share ideas and place bets together on a two way basis?

To an extent - it would be donkey work to begin with, but I would alwasy be open to implimenting partners ideas and sharing info - as we move forward.

Ok, i see where you're coming from.

Is this betting or trading? It's a vulgur & blunt question but im trying to get a picture.

whats the going rate for donkey work?

magician, not quite sure what your looking for here but sent you a email anyway... looks interesting

Treble_Underscore, there is nothing I haven't considered, I just couldn't imagine anything that would be beneficial to me, as I am 100% happy with what I do now. GL.

I'd like to hear more from Betfairy

i may be able to head hunt the best from blue lizard if you can tell me how much youd expect them to earn from a joint venture with yourself?

the best from blue lizard

:^0

kenilworth 06 Apr 23:23
Treble_Underscore, there is nothing I haven't considered, I just couldn't imagine anything that would be beneficial to me, as I am 100% happy with what I do now. GL.

Ken, I respect the vast majority of your posts.

However I think the above shows one of:

i) A closed mind

ii) Unbelieveable arrogance

iii) An outlook very different to mine.

I'm always looking to improve, expand, fine-tune. To not be able to imagine that anyone could offer anything to what I already do would be a mindset I would never have, even if I was already making 100 times more than Tony Bloom.

I wish you continued success.

Treble, I can't believe you accuse me of ''unbelievable arrogance''.
I am happy with what I do and make a modest profit, and have been doing so for a while. I am comfortable with how I bet and what I do takes up more time than I want to, but I enjoy what I do. I go on holiday from time to time and have loads of things to do that I am neglecting whilst typing this post. If I wanted to make more money, I would simply raise my stakes level. IMO the only people who would be interested in this would be mainly those who are unsuccessful, or dissatisfied with what they already do. I don't know which category you fall into, nor do I care, but don't call me arrogant because I am happy with my lot.

Ken, i very deliberately gave three options. I didn't "accuse" you of anything. Read it again.

The fact that you put ''unbelievable arrogance'' up as an option is totally out of line, especially after saying you ''respect the vast majority of my posts''. How patronising, should I be pleased ?
Just leave me out in future.

And the fact you won't admit you are wrong also speaks volumes about your contributions on this thread.

GL.

Wrong about what ?

Treble, I think to be fair now you have taken a rather hard line with Ken that wasn't called for. He had said that he had considered all options and was happy with his approach. Option iii sums up his position I think. It would have been arrogant not to have considered all options before believing that your way was the best way forward.

Not that there is only one way to make a profit. More than one way to skin a cat and each to their own.

And not for the first time I've missed a dog race whilst reading the forums.........

Dave Edwards, you play the dogs ? Where at ?

Romford, Hove and Sheffield. Intending to expand to Brough Park as well. You?

(In response to the Sheff football team, I work in Sheffield and I'd say Utd. Don't let him live North of the city either, not nice)

No, I don't play the dogs except sometimes when on SKY. Where do you get betting and results from ?

Best site for results is gbgb.org.uk which is very fast for results, about 2 minutes after the off.

In terms of betting the racing post and sporting life have live shows, but these are generally a little slow and there are people who have faster data who sweep up any discrepancies between those and whatever is available on betfair prior to the opening show becoming generally available.

guys

sorry I have been snowed under everyone will be answered this weekend

sorry did not get to this..... but will shortly