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30 Mar 10
22:49
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Many of you know I run bots here... to date they have been restriced to horses and dogs.
Naturally Soccer is the major and repetative market I am not involved in.... but I intend to change that.
As such I am looking for someone with spare time and a dedication to soccer and soccer statistics.
Skills with Excel/data bases/ (web) data providers or web data minimg would be naturally helpful
I hope my reputation on here is sufficient, that people would be willing to work with me in a shared risk shared reward ( and as such tax free arrnagement)
I realise that some sydincates, have 20 staff / PhDs / mathematicians, weather men, trainers etc and crunch endless data to bet on Soccer markets aorund the globe.
I still feel with the correct person, we can compete with them.
if you interested drop me a note here, with a little backgorund.
or contact me via
http://sites.google.com/site/betfairdata/home
Naturally Soccer is the major and repetative market I am not involved in.... but I intend to change that.
As such I am looking for someone with spare time and a dedication to soccer and soccer statistics.
Skills with Excel/data bases/ (web) data providers or web data minimg would be naturally helpful
I hope my reputation on here is sufficient, that people would be willing to work with me in a shared risk shared reward ( and as such tax free arrnagement)
I realise that some sydincates, have 20 staff / PhDs / mathematicians, weather men, trainers etc and crunch endless data to bet on Soccer markets aorund the globe.
I still feel with the correct person, we can compete with them.
if you interested drop me a note here, with a little backgorund.
or contact me via
http://sites.google.com/site/betfairdata/home
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From what I've seen the warmest poster goes by the name of Kenilworth. Whether he wants to get involved would be another matter.
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I can do 30 keepy ups :)
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Magician
How modest of you to say that you and one other should be able to compete with teams of 20, including PHDs. Impressive modesty I must say. Quality not quantity eh ? |
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magic i make consistant profits on footy bets..on my own.
same old story mate, why would any1 wanna share thier profit methods with any1 ? including you. you over complicate everything. there are simple methods that work. GL in your lifetime search. |
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Bet your relieved by that rejection Magician.
I would be too. |
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" Bet you're relieved ----- "
Just before someone else points out the error. |
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Perhaps it would help if you give a little detail as to your reputation?
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email sent
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Goldy you muppet, he doesnt wants a system or anyones secrets - he wants someone to enter the stats and set the thing up, he doesnt want tips he wants hard work !
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Can't find a way to contact you through the listed site - can you put up a dummy email or something?
Thanks |
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unusual skill typing whilst sleeping.
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Delta
would be happy to try some ideas with You Betfairy you have seen enough of me to know.... (surely) others thanks for getting in contact |
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Magic you seem to have a couple of fans on here.
Namely...YOULITTLEBOTTY & Hugh G Rection. Oh yes, whats all that about eh ?. LOL ! ;) |
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Goldy
Say something smart and/or witty, and you never know you might get a few fans too. |
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I've sent an email to the ** address I have for you.
Cheers. |
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hot mail
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Guys
got several responses... will come back to all of you just after Easter |
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The Magician what is a contact email for you?
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email on above link
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how about a medium who'll get in touch with Alan Woods - now that's a syndicate I will join :-)
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^ U used to be a medium :(
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what I can give is a strategy with
1255 bets in 8 month with 41.2 profit (level stakes) and commission paid. max draw down 24.34 would this be enough to join? |
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Stewarts
I am not looking for stratergies from people to be honest... I am looking for a loive of soccder and data skills, to build maitain and provide data ( and mayber stratergies later) for a betting bot. having said that - I would never turn down an Idea that was logical, based on hard work or data - and profitable.... but 1800 dta points wouold need to be tested for real performance get in touch... sounds interesting |
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Can't imagine anyone who is doing ok would want to get involved with others. Just an opinion.
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I often wonder if I'm missing out by not joining such schemes.
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please can someone explain
.... but 1800 dta points wouold need to be tested for real performance tia |
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if you have a system that works do not give it away
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kenilworth 05 Apr 17:13
Can't imagine anyone who is doing ok would want to get involved with others. Just an opinion. Interesting, not an opinion I've ever understood. Gambling is naturally a fairly solitary pastime, but I don't know what I or anyone else would have to lose through information sharing/pooling of resources - e.g. If my premiership bets show a long-term yield of 7%, I've got very little to lose by sharing them, especially once my money is down. Admittedly I might not make much in return since I may well end up getting more than I give, but that's the biggest/only risk. Its not going to move the market one iota. If I don't like the arrangement, I walk away. Just my opinion. |
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Treble, if you joined some syndicate and shared your system/strategy/picks you'd presumably want something in return. So you would invest in other people's systems/strategies/picks?
Why not just invest more in your own? |
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I completely endorse Betfairy's reply re Treble Underscore's post.
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In short, can the sum ever be worth more than the parts?
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"what I can give is a strategy with
1255 bets in 8 month with 41.2 profit (level stakes) and commission paid. max draw down 24.34 would this be enough to join?" No. Would be a big step back. Should that read 1255 bets /day over 8 months? |
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The Betfairy 06 Apr 09:13
Treble, if you joined some syndicate and shared your system/strategy/picks you'd presumably want something in return. So you would invest in other people's systems/strategies/picks? Why not just invest more in your own? i) diversification? Possible smoothing of returns - hoping that when I have a bad run, associates don't. ii) Essentially I would hope to find the following: a) an insight into betting on one sport I haven't yet managed to crack or b) a common area where, when we have a consensus, the consensus allows us to achieve greater results. So let's use the following as a possible example: Quadruple_Underscore has placed 4000 bets over the last 10 football seasons. Yield of 7% long-term. Canalworth has placed 4000 bets over the last 10 football seasons. Yield of 7% long-term. When Quadruple_underscore and Canalworth have disagreed on a game and bet opposite sides of the handicap, both their subsets have achieved a yield of -2%. When Quadruple_underscore and Canalworth have agreed on a game and bet accordingly and in unison but independently of each other, that subset has a yield of 20% long term. A worthwhile exercise I'm sure you'd agree. iii) Increasing volume will always (when you get to a saturation point, whatever that is) result in decreasing yield. E.g. let's say I tell you a great way to make profits at betfair SP, and show you 10000 results, all to £2 level stakes at BFSP. Take that forward by betting £2000 per race for the next 10000 selections, and see what happens. You crush the prices and your edge/margin/profit. Or in fact the answer to the question: Why not just invest more in your own? Could well be another question - Why not do both? |
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Not sure what you're asking for.
Are you after someone who will do your donkey work such as collecting stats/data and that's all or someone to work with and share ideas and place bets together on a two way basis? |
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Should that read 1255 bets /day over 8 months?
1255 bets over the period of 8 month. an average of 5 bets a day. |
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Treble, I appreciate the point you are trying to make about sharing etc, but what do you do when the person you told your strategy to decides to blab it all over the forum?
Don't think for one minute you can trust everyone you deal with here. (Magician, not that I'm referring to you btw). The betting world is full of jealousy. It wouldn't take much for someone to fall out. My area is dogs and I have something that works. I've shared the approach with two other people and always felt that was one too many. Actually, using the same strategy different people can interpret the available data in a different manner and arrive at very different conclusions, but essentially I wouldn't want what I do becoming public knowledge. |
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Appreciate your points Dave. But then you are operating in a market where the average race (assuming you bet daily) has what, 3000 - 6000 "matched" - not sure how much of that you could strip out for trading - and very few other outs for winning punters (perhaps commission agents, getting runners to put on in shops, etc).
I'm operating in markets where volumes traded are 1000 times that on here sometimes and there are also a considerable amount more outs. I agree that there's no point in you sharing info in those markets with me, for example, since then we would both be competing for slices in the same pie, chasing the liquidity on here. |
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Also, I'm not advocating a "full pants-down" revelation to anyone else! But offering markets where your tissue differs significantly enough from the current market price wouldn't give much away.
Of course, you are going to need to use your judgement of character, etc, and account for human nature/tw@ts. But I'm just trying to put across a point that I feel the likes of Ken, yourself, betfairy may not have considered. |
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you're the same person?
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