Tennis.........Yes I can......

I don't see the point of this system, either in terms of enjoyment or profit.

Absolutely no point even watching tennis if you just back market favs blindly.

When it gets £10,000 down maybe he calls it quits...... :|

I backed

Safina 1.42

Querrey and Seppi both trading odds against....

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good luck guys

Just for the record, Yotomoto is a full-on bellend and anything he says should be totally disregarded in a matter on milliseconds.

GranpaChook. 17 May 13:07


Yah. Horselover, flying in on favs during the ARAG world cup is very dodgy.

Players don't get ranking points and it's a week before a grand slam. Last year a lot of the favs weren't bothered and didn't really try. I wish you luck but tread carefully.


thanks for the well meant posting :)

McChicken_Sandwich 17 May 12:51


This thread is worrying


you have a good choice, not to read here :)

I backed

Nadal 1.38

I backed

Simon 1.88

GG Lopez = winner

Querry = scratch trade 2nd set

Seppi = loser :(

Safina = winner

Nadal = loser :(

Simon = scratch trade 2nd set

Tennis: -USD506.78 Total P&L: -USD506.78


Tennis Showing 1 - 6 of 6 markets of 539 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)
Tennis / Simon v Soderling : Match Odds 17-May-09 17:00 17-May-09 20:11 38.75
Tennis / Nadal v Federer : Match Odds 17-May-09 17:00 17-May-09 18:46 -600.00
Tennis / Safina v Wozniacki : Match Odds 17-May-09 14:30 17-May-09 16:30 242.72
Tennis / Schuettler v Querrey : Match Odds 17-May-09 13:00 17-May-09 15:37 -21.15
Tennis / Korolev v Seppi : Match Odds 17-May-09 13:00 17-May-09 15:21 -600.00
Tennis / Phau v Garcia Lopez : Match Odds 17-May-09 13:00 17-May-09 15:07 432.90


Tennis: -USD4,930.00 Total P&L: -USD4,930.00

Horselover............. pleeeeeease dont back Massu tommorow at 1.55 or something :|

McChicken_Sandwich 18 May 02:41


Horselover............. pleeeeeease dont back Massu tommorow at 1.55 or something


no problem , just show me your last 500 bets and if it shows profit I will bet all your selections :)

good luck

I backed

Granollers 1.73

Peng 1.33

Mattek Sands 1.61

horselover777 18 May 11:12
I backed
Granollers 1.73

Right at the very top end of the market. Progress or random chance? As always, good luck.

scratch on peng??

I backed

Beck 1.40

CurlyBlues 18 May 11:19


horselover777 18 May 11:12
I backed
Granollers 1.73

Right at the very top end of the market. Progress or random chance? As always, good luck.

tbh, think just random

cheers

internet 18 May 13:01


scratch on peng??


yes

whats your thinking on sharapova?

internet 18 May 13:13


whats your thinking on sharapova?

she is fav so it fits to my strat as a back. if she is fit I dont know, but it should be enough for players like Garbin.

I backed

Sharapova 1.41

Shara price was a gift, well done for getting top end of the market but do I wonder if I alerted you to it? but hey I was matched already

internet 18 May 15:12


Shara price was a gift, well done for getting top end of the market but do I wonder if I alerted you to it? but hey I was matched already

no you didnt alerted me :) I had her on my list. sometimes even me getting a price at top end. but curly thinks , that it is not often enough.
I had it before it was suspended, I think the price came in after it was suspended.

thanks and good luck

I backed

Rezai 1.57

I cant believe you backed Nadal yesterday

I backed

Bellucci 1.90

internet 18 May 15:26


I cant believe you backed Nadal yesterday

tbh, whats wrong to back nadal against any player? I would back him again and again if the price is right.

is that really so stupid?

it was a poor price and a lovely lay, the days previous matches told me that, considering you watched them both im surprised you backed him

I'm surprised you haven't worked out that he backs EVERY favourite, not cherry-pick winners after the event.

I backed

Wozniak 1.35

I backed

Caleri 1.52

Peng = scratch trade 2nd set

Granolers = scratch trade 1st set TB

Mattek Sands = scratch trade 2nd set TB

Beck = scratch trade 2nd set

Sharapova = scratch trade 3rd set

Wozniak = loser :(

Rezai = winner

Bellucci = loser :(

Calleri = scratch trade 2nd set

Tennis: -USD1,243.78 Total P&L: -USD1,243.78


Tennis Showing 1 - 9 of 9 markets of 548 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)
Tennis / Lu v Calleri : Match Odds 18-May-09 15:30 18-May-09 21:00 15.17
Tennis / Bellucci v Koellerer : Match Odds 18-May-09 17:30 18-May-09 19:33 -833.98
Tennis / Wozniak v Goerges : Match Odds 18-May-09 15:45 18-May-09 19:23 -600.00
Tennis / Rezai v Bammer : Match Odds 18-May-09 14:30 18-May-09 19:06 329.00
Tennis / Garbin v Sharapova : Match Odds 18-May-09 15:15 18-May-09 19:05 34.86
Tennis / Hernych v A Beck : Match Odds 18-May-09 14:15 18-May-09 17:20 1.72
Tennis / Peng v Glatch : Match Odds 18-May-09 13:00 18-May-09 15:36 -21.75
Tennis / Granollers v Gabashvili : Match Odds 18-May-09 13:00 18-May-09 15:35 0.00
Tennis / Keothavong v Mattek Sands : Match Odds 18-May-09 13:15 18-May-09 15:24 -168.80


Tennis: -USD6,173.78 Total P&L: -USD6,173.78

How'd you lose so much on the Bellucci match?

The amounts are there Grandpa.

Believe me, Iam very sorry to see those figures Horselover.

GranpaChook. 18 May 22:30


How'd you lose so much on the Bellucci match?

this is because of my exit strat.

Roger OASIS 19 May 03:32


Believe me, Iam very sorry to see those figures Horselover.


I really believe you, Roger. it was one of the bad days, because of the way Woz and Bellucci prices moved.

thanks mate

I backed

Yakimova 1.36

Lepchenko 1.67

M.Garrigues 1.53

I backed

Dokic 1.45

I backed

Benneteau 1.53

Ancic 1.35

How'd you lose so much on the Bellucci match?

this is because of my exit strat.

ROFL. You been to the bank for a loan yet horselover?

no fill for Ancic

I backed

Simon 1.26

I backed

Hantuchova 1.26

I backed

Koubek 1.73

I backed

Chela 1.65

I backed

Capdeville 1.71

I backed

Hernandez 1.54

I thought you only risked £600 on each bet which is why I asked as you lost £800 on that match.

How much are you staking on each bet?

I backed

Dechy 1.63

I backed

Koryttseva 1.80

I backed

Sodeling 1.40

I backed

Johansson 1.73

Johansson only partly fill at 1.73 for 258.96

Yakimova = winner

Lepchenko = loser :(

M.Garrigues = scratch trade 2nd set

Dokic = loser :(

Benneteau = winner

Simon = loser :(

Hantuchova = winner

Koubek = scratch trade 1st set TB

Capdeville = loser :(

Chela = scratch trade 1st set 5-6

Hernandez = winner

Dechy = scratch trade 2nd set

Koryttseva = scratch trade 2nd set

Johansson = scratch trade 1st set 5-4

Soderling = winner

Tennis: -USD1,510.53 Total P&L: -USD1,510.53


Tennis Showing 1 - 15 of 15 markets of 563 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss ($)
Tennis / Johansson v Cohen Aloro : Match Odds 19-May-09 15:45 19-May-09 21:07 18.25
Tennis / Soderling v Querrey : Match Odds 19-May-09 18:00 19-May-09 19:28 230.88
Tennis / Kudryavtseva v Dechy : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:30 19-May-09 18:55 -73.43
Tennis / U Radwanska v Koryttseva : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:30 19-May-09 18:36 -13.69
Tennis / Chela v Gicquel : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:15 19-May-09 17:20 -131.05
Tennis / Santoro v Hernandez : Match Odds 19-May-09 15:30 19-May-09 17:12 311.69
Tennis / Hantuchova v Llagostera Vives : Match Odds 19-May-09 13:15 19-May-09 16:14 150.06
Tennis / Koubek v Petzschner : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:15 19-May-09 15:55 75.60
Tennis / Capdeville v Junqueira : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:15 19-May-09 15:46 -810.60
Tennis / Simon v Schuettler : Match Odds 19-May-09 14:00 19-May-09 15:42 -600.00
Tennis / Benneteau v Sela : Match Odds 19-May-09 13:00 19-May-09 14:33 303.54
Tennis / Medina Garrigues v Wickmayer : Match Odds 19-May-09 12:00 19-May-09 14:29 20.43
Tennis / Lepchenko v Parmentier : Match Odds 19-May-09 12:00 19-May-09 14:22 -600.00
Tennis / Ani v Yakimova : Match Odds 19-May-09 12:00 19-May-09 14:18 207.79
Tennis / Dokic v Olaru : Match Odds 19-May-09 12:00 19-May-09 13:49 -600.00


Tennis: -USD7,684.31 Total P&L: -USD7,684.31

This thread is painful.

Please rethink your method.

It simply doesn't work.

far too many selections again, also why did you not scratch Hantuchova? plus I wouldn't really class Chela as a scratch trade, sorry to be negative again but how long are you going to do this? you will lose it all soon if this continues

horselover,

I commented on this thread probably a month ago and sadly for you the losses just seem to be increasing.

It strikes me something like the opposite of what you are doing would be a very profitable system, i.e. laying the odds-on favourite at the start whilst maintaining your exit strategy.

Currently all of the losing sub 1.5 shots seem to be costing you anywhere between 600 & 900$, where as laying them at the start would cost only a fraction of that (you can still have an exit strategy if the price moves against you).

When you are backing short value favs you clearly can't afford such a low strike rate.

The other issue is that you appear not to have a selection criteria, in the ideal world Betfairs odds would be the closest thing to a perfect representation of a players chance of winning, and over the long term you'd be still losing slightly because of commission.

After a year or so on here its only now I'm starting to turn a slight profit, and like you I underwent a painful learning experience. Without some idea in your mind whether a particular price represents value you won't have an edge to exert and will ultimately wind up broke.

Regards

Internet:

Horselover's bank (as he stated on page 1) = 20 x 600 i.e. US$ 12,000

nathanrh 20 May 00:04

horselover,

I commented on this thread probably a month ago and sadly for you the losses just seem to be increasing.

It strikes me something like the opposite of what you are doing would be a very profitable system, i.e. laying the odds-on favourite at the start whilst maintaining your exit strategy.

Currently all of the losing sub 1.5 shots seem to be costing you anywhere between 600 & 900$, where as laying them at the start would cost only a fraction of that (you can still have an exit strategy if the price moves against you).

When you are backing short value favs you clearly can't afford such a low strike rate.

Excellent point and general contribution nathan and horselover you were going to check your results when somebody suggested only backing above say 1.4.

Horselover, I think you have to ask yourself, if you were going into a bookmakers and putting $600 in actual cash down, would you still continue with your current strategy? I'd suggest not.
We can all forget at times that we are dealing with actual money because we just sit behind a screen, press a button and heyho is our bet placed.

I would respectfully suggest that until you can devolve a new method, retune this system etc etc, that perhaps you should reduce your stakes to perhaps $100 or $ 200?

Best of luck anyway. I genuinely hope you succeed.

good morning

I will answer you later in the afternoon. I will be out today so it is a good chance to recheck and rethink my strategy. although I don't see to many possibilities for changing. %age wise the loss is not much in regard to the turnover.
one proposed in another posting to trade the exit strategy only. on paper this strat is really good. but it is paper, and I know that paper and real is always a big difference.

thanks for the postings and well meant tips.

good luck all

ROFL. Bank loan yet?

hello, came back late yesterday.

internet 20 May 00:56


far too many selections again, also why did you not scratch Hantuchova? plus I wouldn't really class Chela as a scratch trade, sorry to be negative again but how long are you going to do this? you will lose it all soon if this continues

I didn't scratch Hantuchova, because sometimes the exit strategy allows me to stay in a match longer.

cheers

nathanrh,

really appreciate your opinion and tips. I am still convinced I will get out of the minus, but surely getting worried and a bit unsecure.

I will stop for a few days and start checking all my bets and see where I could have made better or different.

I also want go deeper in testing if the exit strat only would make sense.

thanks again and good luck

Roger OASIS

Horselover, I think you have to ask yourself, if you were going into a bookmakers and putting $600 in actual cash down, would you still continue with your current strategy? I'd suggest not.
We can all forget at times that we are dealing with actual money because we just sit behind a screen, press a button and heyho is our bet placed.

I would respectfully suggest that until you can devolve a new method, retune this system etc etc, that perhaps you should reduce your stakes to perhaps $100 or $ 200?

Best of luck anyway. I genuinely hope you succeed.

Roger,

I can assure You that I have no problem with putting money here or in cash at a bookie. as I mentioned a few times before , I am retired and experienced enough to handle bankrolls. it took me years to learn come to this point. I understand very well what you mean and in general you are right. it is like in a casino where they give you *****to play.

it is not a question of reducing the stakes, it is like you said, to check the strategy again and again. this what I will do the next few days.I learned also that the market and betfair will still be here tomorrow and aftertomorrow :)

really appreciated your inputs

cheers

glad your taking time to review your previous work, and that you have noticed that you can bet on tennis pretty much 365 days of the year, I think you really just need to refine your selections and not just back every favourite, hopefully you will bring profit in the long term

internet 21 May 12:01


glad your taking time to review your previous work, and that you have noticed that you can bet on tennis pretty much 365 days of the year, I think you really just need to refine your selections and not just back every favourite, hopefully you will bring profit in the long term

thanks for the kind words. believe me I am not so stubborn as it looks like. but if it comes to start a srtategy in real I ike to go to the end of the bank roll, just to be sure that it didn't work.

cheers

Glad you took today off then :D

4 underdogs won it Kitzbuhl.

And WTA some upsets too.

Yup, the favs took a beating today.... good call on the "rest" day! :)

yes it would have been a bad day yesterday. those days are not so often.

cheers

Evidently they are too often.......... :|

Time for a re-think horselover. Obviously this isn't working. I don't think it's as easy as blindly getting stuck into favs, you need knowledge of the sport you're betting on to be successful.

petr cech 23 May 08:33


Time for a re-think horselover. Obviously this isn't working. I don't think it's as easy as blindly getting stuck into favs, you need knowledge of the sport you're betting on to be successful.


easy said, because I didnt make profit. but I will let you know after reviewing all matches, to try to find where the problem was.

cheers

The problem was that the system is ridiculous.

Do you have statistical data over a number of years that shows your method should work or something?

The confidence in blindly backing certain odds favs and implementing a get out stratergy is utterly baffling :|

skint (nap)

skint (nap)

Come on horselover, keep backing the faves blind

Bad luck, another bet perhaps horselover?

I backed Nadal (nap)

another bet perhaps horselover?

Think hes gone to 'consider his options'.

You must be tempted horselover? You have a good system right?

I backed Safina

let it go

McChicken_Sandwich 07 Jun 01:38


let it go



thanks, I was waiting for a normal posting, to give you some info.

the exit strategy only, doesn't work, no chance :(

the original strategy has 2 problems. one problem most of you mentioned is, not taking blindly every fav, this could be helpful. the 2nd problem is how to avoid the retirements, that is the main problem imho. now I need to find a way to avoid as many ret as possible.

thats it for now, I will keep you informed.

thanks all

Roughly 3.7% of matches end in retirements (depending on what level of matches you include). Good luck with that.

CurlyBlues 07 Jun 08:38


Roughly 3.7% of matches end in retirements (depending on what level of matches you include). Good luck with that.

hi Curly,

so with 563 bets I should have about 20 retirements? now the question is how many will be against me?

cheers

Plenty of faves to back blind horselover. Go get another bank to lose

Grahamwestleyisthemessiah - from Wiki:

In 1999 he bought a controlling interest in Farnborough Town and appointed himself as manager.[4][5] He left the club, leaving them in £200,000 of debt,

Respectfully suggest you change your religion.....

Come come horselover. You must be itching to throw good money after bad?

Good evening horselover, do you have any backs, lays, or even arbs this evening, per chance?

A bet today perhaps horselover? Plenty of hot favourites for you to back at random

A truly fine day for blindly backing favourites, horselover

Any faves to randomly back 2day, horselover?

did you ever re-evaluate and have another go?

I remember this old thread, looks like over 12 months old. Some of those forum names have been a bit quiet for a while now.

I was among the ones trying to explain where he goes wrong..