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60 hours a week?**ckc that!!
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It's about finding opportunities, not meeting targets. No opportunities means no bets/trades/etc. Failing to meet a target means looking for opportunities that aren't there.
I've known gamblers win huge amounts with aggressive target setting.
Unfortunately when some really bad luck came their way he lost alot.... quick.
Unfortunately when some really bad luck came their way he lost alot.... quick.
owl4life,
A question about your forum name: aren't all owls 'owls for life'? I mean, it's not as if owls undergo metamorphosis like caterpillars. You may as well just call yourself 'owl'.
A question about your forum name: aren't all owls 'owls for life'? I mean, it's not as if owls undergo metamorphosis like caterpillars. You may as well just call yourself 'owl'.
Owl
My pricing method(s) are what have taken years to refine, they are far from perfect and include using bookmakers prices as a starting point in some cases. As they are what makes my money I could not give the detail away.
Having come up with a price I then need to give myself a margin of error, then leave the order on the exchange. I have the good fortune to have some computer programs designed that can reproduce my methods making the pricing and bet placing as simple as clicking a mouse. Without a degree of automation I would struggle. I also have built up a good reserve of cash so can weather poor runs.
Everyone has there own ways on here, mine is to try and lay or back at a price I feel is in my favour, as a result I may place 100 bets but only get 10 matched and then win 6 lose 4. I have been on here since 2001 so had plenty of time to come up with an approach that I am both comfortable with and has a small edge.
My pricing method(s) are what have taken years to refine, they are far from perfect and include using bookmakers prices as a starting point in some cases. As they are what makes my money I could not give the detail away.
Having come up with a price I then need to give myself a margin of error, then leave the order on the exchange. I have the good fortune to have some computer programs designed that can reproduce my methods making the pricing and bet placing as simple as clicking a mouse. Without a degree of automation I would struggle. I also have built up a good reserve of cash so can weather poor runs.
Everyone has there own ways on here, mine is to try and lay or back at a price I feel is in my favour, as a result I may place 100 bets but only get 10 matched and then win 6 lose 4. I have been on here since 2001 so had plenty of time to come up with an approach that I am both comfortable with and has a small edge.
if you want to make money the best i have seen is
www.top-tips.org.uk the guy is siht hot and its cheap as *****
he is clearly relying on volume business but good luck to him as i think he is worth his money.
that is the best bit of advice you will get from me !
www.top-tips.org.uk the guy is siht hot and its cheap as *****
he is clearly relying on volume business but good luck to him as i think he is worth his money.
that is the best bit of advice you will get from me !
^
(likely) SCAM ALERT
Every morning for the past 18 years I have contacted my friends in the industry and together we have been successful in making a healthy profit, I am asking you to email me and I will contact you daily with the best bets in the horse racing industry and the best bets in the sporting world too for that day. I am so confident that I will make you a profit I am happy to give you a free trial for 30 days, I will do all the work and you give me nothing at all! Absolutely NOTHING! At the end of the 30 days you may break the daily contact with me and walk away with your profit if you so wish.
Give different tips to different people, some will win and pay for the service.
I am yet to come across a tipping service that provides any value whatsoever in terms of profit for its customers.
A very healthy dose of skepticism is required. I'm not singling this guy out by the way, the same applies to any other paid for tipping service.
(likely) SCAM ALERT
Every morning for the past 18 years I have contacted my friends in the industry and together we have been successful in making a healthy profit, I am asking you to email me and I will contact you daily with the best bets in the horse racing industry and the best bets in the sporting world too for that day. I am so confident that I will make you a profit I am happy to give you a free trial for 30 days, I will do all the work and you give me nothing at all! Absolutely NOTHING! At the end of the 30 days you may break the daily contact with me and walk away with your profit if you so wish.
Give different tips to different people, some will win and pay for the service.
I am yet to come across a tipping service that provides any value whatsoever in terms of profit for its customers.
A very healthy dose of skepticism is required. I'm not singling this guy out by the way, the same applies to any other paid for tipping service.
Do you set targets? No, apart from the odd challenge here and there.
if so, is it on a daily, weekly, monthly or even yearly basis? None.
How many hours a week do you spend on here? Varies from no time at all to every minute every day.
is it worth it? I'm a sport fanatic, so I would spend as much time following sport anyways. Making money off an intrest is obviously worth it imo.
if so, is it on a daily, weekly, monthly or even yearly basis? None.
How many hours a week do you spend on here? Varies from no time at all to every minute every day.
is it worth it? I'm a sport fanatic, so I would spend as much time following sport anyways. Making money off an intrest is obviously worth it imo.
couldnt be further from the truth !
i am he !
ha ha..but i give you my word i wont be on here again !
i done it purely to see what type of characters will try shafting me and i have found out instantly !
i have no need to scam people , i think that is called SLANDER !
i am he !
ha ha..but i give you my word i wont be on here again !
i done it purely to see what type of characters will try shafting me and i have found out instantly !
i have no need to scam people , i think that is called SLANDER !
as it happens investor rather than bad mouth me come and give it a go fella !
i shouldnt think the monthly fee is enough to worry you !
im really bloody annoyed with that scam comment !
you are a disgrace !
i shouldnt think the monthly fee is enough to worry you !
im really bloody annoyed with that scam comment !
you are a disgrace !
owl....ActiveX is basically laying the shorteners and backing the drifters.
i admittedly made a mistake by mentioning my site on here but just wanted to see if i got a response good or bad !
to be flashed up with scam alert is wrong !
i despise people who con others especially in this game, i happen to be an ex conference footballer with lots of friends in the football world and plenty of contacts in the racing yards especially newmarket, no more than that !
i wish you well people and good luck !
to be flashed up with scam alert is wrong !
i despise people who con others especially in this game, i happen to be an ex conference footballer with lots of friends in the football world and plenty of contacts in the racing yards especially newmarket, no more than that !
i wish you well people and good luck !
soixanteneuf, I have an inherent distrust of tipping services, as it's a well documented fact that they are mainly used to line the tipsters pockets, whilst providing little or no value for customers.
I like to keep an open mind though, so I am open to being convinced otherwise.
I like to keep an open mind though, so I am open to being convinced otherwise.
By the way, I didn't say it was a scam, I said it was likely to be a scam.
I hold the following to be true:
Most tipsters know full well that the information they are providing is worthless. They are modern day snake oil salesmen and in my opinion this equates to being a scammer. Some even admit they don't bet their own tips!
A small minority of tipsters may believe that the information they are providing has value, but by my estimation they are almost certainly wrong.
I'm not saying it's not possible for a tipster to provide a valuable service, but it's extremely unlikely. Pick a hundred tipsters at random, how many of these give the customer an edge?
Any tipping service should initially be viewed with skepticism perhaps even distrust, as it statistically very likely that the service is worthless.
I hold the following to be true:
Most tipsters know full well that the information they are providing is worthless. They are modern day snake oil salesmen and in my opinion this equates to being a scammer. Some even admit they don't bet their own tips!
A small minority of tipsters may believe that the information they are providing has value, but by my estimation they are almost certainly wrong.
I'm not saying it's not possible for a tipster to provide a valuable service, but it's extremely unlikely. Pick a hundred tipsters at random, how many of these give the customer an edge?
Any tipping service should initially be viewed with skepticism perhaps even distrust, as it statistically very likely that the service is worthless.
What bank did you start with when you went pro?
About 10k.
What did you give up to become pro?
Engineering.
Have you ever been tempted to give up?
You're 'avin' a larf intcha, wouldn't swap this occupation for anything.
About 10k.
What did you give up to become pro?
Engineering.
Have you ever been tempted to give up?
You're 'avin' a larf intcha, wouldn't swap this occupation for anything.
Do you set targets?
Not really, like to bag around a monkey a day though.
if so, is it on a daily, weekly, monthly or even yearly basis?
As above.
How many hours a week do you spend on here?
Every afternoon, maybe a couple of hours in the morning then in preparation, depending on the number of cards on. Spent about 5 hours last Saturday morning swatting up coz there was 5 meetings on.
is it worth it
Is it worth what?
There's no downside to this, apart from trying to explain what I do to folk.
Not really, like to bag around a monkey a day though.
if so, is it on a daily, weekly, monthly or even yearly basis?
As above.
How many hours a week do you spend on here?
Every afternoon, maybe a couple of hours in the morning then in preparation, depending on the number of cards on. Spent about 5 hours last Saturday morning swatting up coz there was 5 meetings on.
is it worth it
Is it worth what?
There's no downside to this, apart from trying to explain what I do to folk.
Nothing written on here would be classed as slander, libel perhaps not slander. . .
Hit it regularly enough yeah, probably 3-4 days a week; sometimes double or even treble it.
I wouldnt trust a tipster that has less than 2 years of proved results, whilst beeing in Profit over that period.... with that beeing said there arent many tipsters left i would trust.
I guess 99% of those salesman just randomly pick horses and then vanish after 6 months or reopen with a different name or something.
A Tipster who cant provide a spreadsheet or table or something of his live tips for at least a few years is probably a scamming idiot too.
Lastly if a tipster is realy good at what he does he would be too busy placing his own money on his tips instead of selling them to the public pushing down prices therfore worsening results for everyone involved.
I guess 99% of those salesman just randomly pick horses and then vanish after 6 months or reopen with a different name or something.
A Tipster who cant provide a spreadsheet or table or something of his live tips for at least a few years is probably a scamming idiot too.
Lastly if a tipster is realy good at what he does he would be too busy placing his own money on his tips instead of selling them to the public pushing down prices therfore worsening results for everyone involved.
Do you set targets? Yes
if so, is it on a daily, weekly, monthly or even yearly basis? Daily
How many hours a week do you spend on here? 10
is it worth it? Yes!!!
Tax free ,your own boss, the chalange to get it correct ,and the odd big wind fall adds a bonus.
The downside is not meeting fellow people as most who play regular have to be at home so no interaction as with most other forms of employment but this pays much more for me anyhow.
if so, is it on a daily, weekly, monthly or even yearly basis? Daily
How many hours a week do you spend on here? 10
is it worth it? Yes!!!
Tax free ,your own boss, the chalange to get it correct ,and the odd big wind fall adds a bonus.
The downside is not meeting fellow people as most who play regular have to be at home so no interaction as with most other forms of employment but this pays much more for me anyhow.
very interesting points !
I could happily go away and make up a spreadsheet of winners and placed horses with the odd lay thrown in, but i am offering a free 30 day trial !..in truth you will always get people with your views and you are fully entitled to them providing you are not calling me a con artist or likely scammer !.(thats what my free trial is for )
In my experience this site has some good people but just sitting back and watching on the horse racing forum there are countless so called experts who know this or know that and when their horse gets beat they then start saying " what a**!, what a fiddle "
errrr YES that is what happens people, if it aint a classic, if it aint a trial, there is likely to be a fiddle, and all i am saying is that i call my friends every morning and they tell me what horses people are likely to be saying was a fiddle that afternoon....but basically my 30 day free trial enables people to see how i work, i dont always get exact information, but i can guarantee it is better info than most people get by sitting at home, working weights, distance and draws out that are all**and fiddled anyway, i agree about the punting comment that is why i am on here in the afternoons , i always punt on my tips...because even when i was only punting and not tipping i still looked for the fiddles !..
we all know the score with horse racing, im just saying that i have a better advantage because i dont listen to zoe, cooper and sun tan man moaning about fanshawe putting him away !
i know about that before it happens !
also i am not just a horse racing service , it is very hard to put people away when there is a field of only 2 like darts, football, cricket, tennis , ..
im not being**y i cant stand**y tipsters who are this and that and reckon they are the best thing on 2 legs, i am a knowledgeable person on sport who has friends in the horse racing industry..
i think what you have also got to think about is that there are a lot of people who cant, wont, dont have time to throw themselves whole heartedly into horse racing, you all know as well as i do it takes over your life if you are looking for that non trier in a race, if you are looking for a horse full of legs but blocked in, writing down names , remembering things..some people want the buzz without the grief and is £50 a month worth it to prevent all the aggro but still get the fun and the winners, i believe it is yes !
team hug people ?
I could happily go away and make up a spreadsheet of winners and placed horses with the odd lay thrown in, but i am offering a free 30 day trial !..in truth you will always get people with your views and you are fully entitled to them providing you are not calling me a con artist or likely scammer !.(thats what my free trial is for )
In my experience this site has some good people but just sitting back and watching on the horse racing forum there are countless so called experts who know this or know that and when their horse gets beat they then start saying " what a**!, what a fiddle "
errrr YES that is what happens people, if it aint a classic, if it aint a trial, there is likely to be a fiddle, and all i am saying is that i call my friends every morning and they tell me what horses people are likely to be saying was a fiddle that afternoon....but basically my 30 day free trial enables people to see how i work, i dont always get exact information, but i can guarantee it is better info than most people get by sitting at home, working weights, distance and draws out that are all**and fiddled anyway, i agree about the punting comment that is why i am on here in the afternoons , i always punt on my tips...because even when i was only punting and not tipping i still looked for the fiddles !..
we all know the score with horse racing, im just saying that i have a better advantage because i dont listen to zoe, cooper and sun tan man moaning about fanshawe putting him away !
i know about that before it happens !
also i am not just a horse racing service , it is very hard to put people away when there is a field of only 2 like darts, football, cricket, tennis , ..
im not being**y i cant stand**y tipsters who are this and that and reckon they are the best thing on 2 legs, i am a knowledgeable person on sport who has friends in the horse racing industry..
i think what you have also got to think about is that there are a lot of people who cant, wont, dont have time to throw themselves whole heartedly into horse racing, you all know as well as i do it takes over your life if you are looking for that non trier in a race, if you are looking for a horse full of legs but blocked in, writing down names , remembering things..some people want the buzz without the grief and is £50 a month worth it to prevent all the aggro but still get the fun and the winners, i believe it is yes !
team hug people ?
dolly do 2.30 exeter (place)
captain imperial 5.10 southwell (win)
only a game 5.40 southwell (win)
good luck ! ha ha
captain imperial 5.10 southwell (win)
only a game 5.40 southwell (win)
good luck ! ha ha
69
If you think you're that smart and clever - and 'better than the rest'
Lets have :- ( a years worth)
No. bets
winners
Total SP
Average SP
Stake
return
+ -
If you think you're that smart and clever - and 'better than the rest'
Lets have :- ( a years worth)
No. bets
winners
Total SP
Average SP
Stake
return
+ -
why would i need to explain myself to a forum ?
you are all expert punters that is why you are on betfair isnt it ?
miss dolly do ! go on back it ! ! dare ya !!
you are all expert punters that is why you are on betfair isnt it ?
miss dolly do ! go on back it ! ! dare ya !!
You're spamming and trying to take peoples money and you're asking why you should offer proof to those same people! Poor advertising, are you Gerald Ratner?
what i am saying thicko !
is how do you prove they are genuine results , i could make any old crap up couldnt i ?
so your argument holds no water does it ?
"lets have genuine results yeah anna your right lets have genuine results !!"....ha ha ha ..a result is past tense !! past tense is easy to demonstrate ...how the hell does that prove anything at all ??????
politicians make a living from massaging figures !!
am i supposed to be genuine only by providing results !!
idiots with a capital I .
the site is 2 weeks old !! does a new born baby have a proven track record ! hence the trial ! my god how dim can you get !!
is how do you prove they are genuine results , i could make any old crap up couldnt i ?
so your argument holds no water does it ?
"lets have genuine results yeah anna your right lets have genuine results !!"....ha ha ha ..a result is past tense !! past tense is easy to demonstrate ...how the hell does that prove anything at all ??????
politicians make a living from massaging figures !!
am i supposed to be genuine only by providing results !!
idiots with a capital I .
the site is 2 weeks old !! does a new born baby have a proven track record ! hence the trial ! my god how dim can you get !!
and as for the silly 3 off the top of my head horses i put on here earlier i would laugh my nuts off if they came in !
69, you're the dim one i'm afraid, prices are everything in betting yet you've just put up some names.
Three different people could back the same selections and one could lose, one break even and one win due to the prices they have taken.
I think you're hoping to find some naive people who'll hand you some free money, i hope you fail miserably. I'd give up on the insults too because you're clueless.
Three different people could back the same selections and one could lose, one break even and one win due to the prices they have taken.
I think you're hoping to find some naive people who'll hand you some free money, i hope you fail miserably. I'd give up on the insults too because you're clueless.
im being paid for my opinions whilst you are losing money for yours !
and im dim ????????
and im dim ????????
soixanteneuf 08 Mar 19:48
couldnt be further from the truth !
i am he !
ha ha..but i give you my word i wont be on here again !
You've proved yourself already 69
Carry on attempting to relieve people of their 50 notes with lies and bullsh it, have a pleasant day.
couldnt be further from the truth !
i am he !
ha ha..but i give you my word i wont be on here again !
You've proved yourself already 69
Carry on attempting to relieve people of their 50 notes with lies and bullsh it, have a pleasant day.
i have got you lot responding and nibbling at everything i say so well i cant resist coming back !
reel em in !
reel em in !
my god how dim can you get !!
You have just proved it.
If your tips are so good, why do you need to sell them?
If they aren't good enough to back, then you are selling sub-standard services. In other words scamming. If your tips are good, then why on earth would you ever need to sell them?
Unfortunately for all tipsters this is the Catch22.
You have just proved it.
If your tips are so good, why do you need to sell them?
If they aren't good enough to back, then you are selling sub-standard services. In other words scamming. If your tips are good, then why on earth would you ever need to sell them?
Unfortunately for all tipsters this is the Catch22.
Even if a tipping service has 2 years of genuine profit behind it, as soon as a lot of folk start following the tips, the odds become shorter than they otherwise would be and the value is only there for the early birds. There'll be no profit at SP.
Yep indeed,... Most Jerks (Including our one here) cant even show a profit to BFSP let alone to ISP,...
Nahh they are just redicolous...
Nahh they are just redicolous...
imlac1 09 Mar 17:20
Even if a tipping service has 2 years of genuine profit behind it, as soon as a lot of folk start following the tips, the odds become shorter than they otherwise would be and the value is only there for the early birds. There'll be no profit at SP.
So the tipster should have a maximum number of people that he sends the tips to.
I am going to be a tipster, but not as all that have gone before me. You know, trying to tip the winner of a race.
I am going to tell you how the race will be run and how to make a profit before it is over. And sometimes before it has even begun!!
SPAM
Even if a tipping service has 2 years of genuine profit behind it, as soon as a lot of folk start following the tips, the odds become shorter than they otherwise would be and the value is only there for the early birds. There'll be no profit at SP.
So the tipster should have a maximum number of people that he sends the tips to.
I am going to be a tipster, but not as all that have gone before me. You know, trying to tip the winner of a race.
I am going to tell you how the race will be run and how to make a profit before it is over. And sometimes before it has even begun!!
SPAM
Betfairy i sort of get your point on "why do i need to sell my tips if they are so good "
that is a valid point and a bit of a naive one too !
money !
isnt that a bit like asking Alan Sugar why he does apprentice when he owns Amstrad ? or
why does theo paphitis do dragons den when he has enough already ?
you can never have enough money and in many ways your argument sort of strengthens my case !
if what i was offering was crap i wouldnt be able to make money would i ?
look guys im not going round and round on this one !!
i have had a bit of fun and im genuinely sorry for some near the mark comments ! i guess you feel about me the way i feel about those clowns who go to cash convertors and buy back the same product for 50 % more a week later ! or the idiots who bet on roulette machines in the bookies, i appreciate the scams out there but i really am being genuine about this and although im maybe naive about setting up my site it is an accurate one and will get many happy punters !
im done with arguing over it , you guys are unfair to judge me without knowing the facts, and i have to accept that im liable to have the anti tipster brigade on my backs !
we all have our mini pet hates in a sport or working environment i dont like working with smokers , they are far worse than me ! they screw their colleagues for thousands by working 2/3 of the time a non smoker does with all his/her fag breaks !
they are real scammers ! not me trying to pass my info on to others for a few quid ! x peace all please on this subject now !
that is a valid point and a bit of a naive one too !
money !
isnt that a bit like asking Alan Sugar why he does apprentice when he owns Amstrad ? or
why does theo paphitis do dragons den when he has enough already ?
you can never have enough money and in many ways your argument sort of strengthens my case !
if what i was offering was crap i wouldnt be able to make money would i ?
look guys im not going round and round on this one !!
i have had a bit of fun and im genuinely sorry for some near the mark comments ! i guess you feel about me the way i feel about those clowns who go to cash convertors and buy back the same product for 50 % more a week later ! or the idiots who bet on roulette machines in the bookies, i appreciate the scams out there but i really am being genuine about this and although im maybe naive about setting up my site it is an accurate one and will get many happy punters !
im done with arguing over it , you guys are unfair to judge me without knowing the facts, and i have to accept that im liable to have the anti tipster brigade on my backs !
we all have our mini pet hates in a sport or working environment i dont like working with smokers , they are far worse than me ! they screw their colleagues for thousands by working 2/3 of the time a non smoker does with all his/her fag breaks !
they are real scammers ! not me trying to pass my info on to others for a few quid ! x peace all please on this subject now !
Well I for one think you deserve the Nobel Prize for Charity. I mean, it is so very noble of you to give away free money. Personally if my tips were any good I'd be maxing out all my credit cards, taking out second mortgages, and selling all my possessions just so that I could get even more money on my own tips.
On the other hand, if you know that your tips are worth f*ck all, then it's best not to do that, and simply scam people instead.
On the other hand, if you know that your tips are worth f*ck all, then it's best not to do that, and simply scam people instead.
If you want more money, why not simply increase your stakes?
you are entitled to that view !
the fact that you readily admit you would re-mortgage , cash in all your credit cards just to fund your tips if you were me indicates you might go to cash converters each month !
minimal exposure of funds and building a steady pot over a duration of time is the key im afraid , i dont encourage stupid gambling with stakes that are beyond the means of a normal family man/woman.
if you are able to make 50 k + a year gambling as a minumum good luck to you ! plenty of eople out there are not !
im not aiming this at the know it alls who spend all day on here its for the punter who wants a second income ! but my emails to my client base have all the info they need ! thanks ! x
the fact that you readily admit you would re-mortgage , cash in all your credit cards just to fund your tips if you were me indicates you might go to cash converters each month !
minimal exposure of funds and building a steady pot over a duration of time is the key im afraid , i dont encourage stupid gambling with stakes that are beyond the means of a normal family man/woman.
if you are able to make 50 k + a year gambling as a minumum good luck to you ! plenty of eople out there are not !
im not aiming this at the know it alls who spend all day on here its for the punter who wants a second income ! but my emails to my client base have all the info they need ! thanks ! x
If you want more money, why not simply increase your stakes?
Unless you can answer that with an adequate answer, you are a scammer.
Unless you can answer that with an adequate answer, you are a scammer.
are you serious with that question ?
any good gambler never enters the world of increasing stakes !
no tipster is fool proof , we all have losing runs, its just that with the people im involved with i have a higher average than most note i say most,,, i couldnt take anyone serious in a gambling world who asks about increasing stakes !!
you work hard to build a pot steadily and profitably you most certainly do not risk the pot with a stupid increased stake !!
im worried for you betfairy ! selling everything you own, remortgaging a house , dear oh dear you got it bad !!
any good gambler never enters the world of increasing stakes !
no tipster is fool proof , we all have losing runs, its just that with the people im involved with i have a higher average than most note i say most,,, i couldnt take anyone serious in a gambling world who asks about increasing stakes !!
you work hard to build a pot steadily and profitably you most certainly do not risk the pot with a stupid increased stake !!
im worried for you betfairy ! selling everything you own, remortgaging a house , dear oh dear you got it bad !!
In other words, you're happy to risk other people's money but not your own.
What a jolly nice scammer you are :)
What a jolly nice scammer you are :)
never advise my punters to increase stakes its in my welcome letter !
also like to back my own tips !
if thats scamming im a richer scammer than you !
must dash off for a dip in my pool !
dirty cash i want you dirty cash i need you whoaa !
also like to back my own tips !
if thats scamming im a richer scammer than you !
must dash off for a dip in my pool !
dirty cash i want you dirty cash i need you whoaa !
To save anyone else from looking...
dolly do 2.30 exeter (place) - 6TH OF 13
captain imperial 5.10 southwell (win) - 6TH OF 13
only a game 5.40 southwell (win) - 6TH OF 11
dolly do 2.30 exeter (place) - 6TH OF 13
captain imperial 5.10 southwell (win) - 6TH OF 13
only a game 5.40 southwell (win) - 6TH OF 11
sorry, made a mistake...
only a game 5.40 southwell (win) - 8TH OF 11 :8}
only a game 5.40 southwell (win) - 8TH OF 11 :8}
soixanteneuf 09 Mar 19:29
are you serious with that question ?
any good gambler never enters the world of increasing stakes !
[...]
WHAT? I would say that the opposite is more likely.
are you serious with that question ?
any good gambler never enters the world of increasing stakes !
[...]
WHAT? I would say that the opposite is more likely.
Of course the opposite is more likely. If you've any ambition you'll up your stakes as your success becomes more consistent. Only a fool would stay fiddling about with shrapnel if he's a regular winner.
The thing is, increasing your stakes is all well and good when you're on a roll and betting in very liquid markets, but if the markets you bet in have lower liquidity then increasing your stakes has the effect of increasing your liability but you might only get this money matched if there's a rick you're not aware of. Markets are often not very pure mathematical models, so you can't just increase your stakes willy nilly and expect the same return.
I agree with the above staking comments, ref the last comment I guess that's a draw back to playing in poor liquidity markets and waiting to be matched - most of the time you get nibbled at but occasionaly you get fully matched, which could be a sign that you've made a mistake on the price, or not.
Most of the markets I play are highly liquid, which I think is essential if you're ambitious like me, as I want to increase stakes as the bank grows and targets are achieved. Having said that, I play 0.5% stakes so the bank always dictates the stake, but I guess the targets are the driving force that motivate me to get there. I know most punters don't seem to have them, but I think having a mental picture of where you want to go is a good thing in any aspect of life, if you don't plan where you want to go there aint no way you can ever get there.
Most of the markets I play are highly liquid, which I think is essential if you're ambitious like me, as I want to increase stakes as the bank grows and targets are achieved. Having said that, I play 0.5% stakes so the bank always dictates the stake, but I guess the targets are the driving force that motivate me to get there. I know most punters don't seem to have them, but I think having a mental picture of where you want to go is a good thing in any aspect of life, if you don't plan where you want to go there aint no way you can ever get there.
Hi Fellas,... has our thread shyster here given up finaly,.. i hope so,... i mean he was redicolous to begin with,... but then he got out of hand quickly,...
Just one more note on the subject,... i make a bit of money on the horses and i am an excellent Poker Player (Average ROI 10 - 12 %, Current ROI roundabout 20 % in the two Poker Rooms i play to Medium Stakes 5 - 20$).
Does that mean i head out writing Poker Manuals with clear winning Instructions -- NO cause i like the fish beeing cluless whilst taking their Spare Money !! Simple !!
Do i instruct People how to compile usefull Ratings -- Hell No !! Cause the Prices on the Selections are bad enough allready and including commission i dont want to have other guys around hammering the Odds down.
Now What is it what i do,... quite simple appliying my small edge on the horses and playing as many Poker Tables as humanly possible.
Sometimes i even post on the Betfair Forums (i know redicolous).
Just one more note on the subject,... i make a bit of money on the horses and i am an excellent Poker Player (Average ROI 10 - 12 %, Current ROI roundabout 20 % in the two Poker Rooms i play to Medium Stakes 5 - 20$).
Does that mean i head out writing Poker Manuals with clear winning Instructions -- NO cause i like the fish beeing cluless whilst taking their Spare Money !! Simple !!
Do i instruct People how to compile usefull Ratings -- Hell No !! Cause the Prices on the Selections are bad enough allready and including commission i dont want to have other guys around hammering the Odds down.
Now What is it what i do,... quite simple appliying my small edge on the horses and playing as many Poker Tables as humanly possible.
Sometimes i even post on the Betfair Forums (i know redicolous).
Marky Sparky you clown !
do you honestly think i would put tips on here to people abusing me !
i was asked for some tips so i put up 3 losers to the biggest bunch of clowns apart from 1 or 2 i have ever been on a forum with !
must dash got to put the kids in the range rover its school time !
do you honestly think i would put tips on here to people abusing me !
i was asked for some tips so i put up 3 losers to the biggest bunch of clowns apart from 1 or 2 i have ever been on a forum with !
must dash got to put the kids in the range rover its school time !
Imlac and Trevh
you are wasting your time , you are dealing with experts here !!
they know it all !.
im a tipster and proud ! i dont scam people and im prepared to swear on my kids lives i dont , and if anyone questions a father on that then you really are** on here !
I DONT SCAM PEOPLE I GIVE THEM MY VIEWS , IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN YOU DONT JOIN,,SIMPLE REALLY !!
you are wasting your time , you are dealing with experts here !!
they know it all !.
im a tipster and proud ! i dont scam people and im prepared to swear on my kids lives i dont , and if anyone questions a father on that then you really are** on here !
I DONT SCAM PEOPLE I GIVE THEM MY VIEWS , IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN YOU DONT JOIN,,SIMPLE REALLY !!
Trev h that is a great point you make mate !
the problem with a forum like this is it is a true reflection of the world we live in, everyone has different levels of comfort, everyone has different levels of realistic expectation,
im not a huge gambler in terms of stakes i never have been, that doesnt mean that im about to dictate to others what they do with their money, but look at what i said " im not a huge gambler"
what is huge ? in my world 5k a bet is huge !. in Harrys world he would put his house and has done on Denman. its all relevant people.
raising stakes? yeah i see the logic in it but not if you then turn around and look at your 8 year old son and think what that 500 notes could have bought him.
its all relevant, personally call me a coward call me what you like but if people pay me and i still get the same buzz with a ton or a nifty on a horse and am able to switch the laptop off and look at my family without feeling guilty then i am in a happy place !
family first , job second, never ever the other way around !
the problem with a forum like this is it is a true reflection of the world we live in, everyone has different levels of comfort, everyone has different levels of realistic expectation,
im not a huge gambler in terms of stakes i never have been, that doesnt mean that im about to dictate to others what they do with their money, but look at what i said " im not a huge gambler"
what is huge ? in my world 5k a bet is huge !. in Harrys world he would put his house and has done on Denman. its all relevant people.
raising stakes? yeah i see the logic in it but not if you then turn around and look at your 8 year old son and think what that 500 notes could have bought him.
its all relevant, personally call me a coward call me what you like but if people pay me and i still get the same buzz with a ton or a nifty on a horse and am able to switch the laptop off and look at my family without feeling guilty then i am in a happy place !
family first , job second, never ever the other way around !
I'd love to chuck it in and go pro, but as said somewhere above, it is extremely tedious. If you think your 'job' is just a hobby but for longer hours, you couldnt be more wrong.
By the way, Lori, I am loving your outlook on life and stuff.
By the way, Lori, I am loving your outlook on life and stuff.
Mt Desert 2.50 catterick !
strongly advise you all to lump on it !( win )
strongly advise you all to lump on it !( win )
soixanteneuf is this inside info or your judgement?
marky sparky 09 Mar 21:38
To save anyone else from looking...
dolly do 2.30 exeter (place) - 6TH OF 13
captain imperial 5.10 southwell (win) - 6TH OF 13
only a game 5.40 southwell (win) - 6TH OF 11
Just seen your other tips. Cerainly not inside info :^0
To save anyone else from looking...
dolly do 2.30 exeter (place) - 6TH OF 13
captain imperial 5.10 southwell (win) - 6TH OF 13
only a game 5.40 southwell (win) - 6TH OF 11
Just seen your other tips. Cerainly not inside info :^0
once again as if i would tip up genuine horses on here !
it would be totally disrespectful to my loyal army of people !!
another cigar anyone ? only half an hour and time to start on the champers !!
good luck all ! enjoy !! and stay out of cash converters !! (fairy)
it would be totally disrespectful to my loyal army of people !!
another cigar anyone ? only half an hour and time to start on the champers !!
good luck all ! enjoy !! and stay out of cash converters !! (fairy)
any tipster can never really get away from the point of:
"if the tips are that good then why not increase your own stakes"
I am not talking about going in with crazy amounts, but lets say that you bet everyone of your own tips at 3% and then simply compound your profits into your bank, thus stakes increase slowly and under contol
"if the tips are that good then why not increase your own stakes"
I am not talking about going in with crazy amounts, but lets say that you bet everyone of your own tips at 3% and then simply compound your profits into your bank, thus stakes increase slowly and under contol
soixanteneuf 10 Mar 07:55
Imlac and Trevh
you are wasting your time , you are dealing with experts here !!
Does that mean I might bump into you in Marquee 15 at Cheltenham then?
Imlac and Trevh
you are wasting your time , you are dealing with experts here !!
Does that mean I might bump into you in Marquee 15 at Cheltenham then?
Imlac1, you will certainly bump into me in Marquee 15 if you are there Wednesday or Thursday. Probably fall over me lol.
ActiveX, I'll be there on Friday. You might find me in box 4016 on Wednesday though ;)
Imlac1
I have no idea where that box would be. Is that your own for the day?
I have always had 2 days in the BF Marquee for some years now, and always done the Wed and Thurs. Usually hang out of a night time with the BF account managers who know me and my mates very well.
I have no idea where that box would be. Is that your own for the day?
I have always had 2 days in the BF Marquee for some years now, and always done the Wed and Thurs. Usually hang out of a night time with the BF account managers who know me and my mates very well.
Targets? yes
Hours? not much, generally try an get it over and done with as soon as these days. example todya took me at most 5 minutes
Worth it? Yes atm
Bank? started off with a ton
What did you give up? nothing
Tempted to give up? yes many a time
here's what im currently working too
try an earn 12.5% of starting bank per week and bank £75 every week
sure its modest but by christmas me bank will be £10,000 and i will have earned over £3000 in £75's
Hours? not much, generally try an get it over and done with as soon as these days. example todya took me at most 5 minutes
Worth it? Yes atm
Bank? started off with a ton
What did you give up? nothing
Tempted to give up? yes many a time
here's what im currently working too
try an earn 12.5% of starting bank per week and bank £75 every week
sure its modest but by christmas me bank will be £10,000 and i will have earned over £3000 in £75's
soixanteneuf 10 Mar 09:06
Mt Desert 2.50 catterick !
strongly advise you all to lump on it !( win
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Such careless language always indicate a "barrow-lad" ....sell anything mentality.........the opposite of a "pro" , I would have thought, who would choose words more carefully.
With horse racing many things can go "wrong" ....and to LUMP ON implies put a huge percentage of bank on which generally can't be "right" thing to do in betting.....even though i do it.....BUT THAT JUST PROVES I AIN'T NO PRO!
As it happens I had circled Mt DESERT as a possible winner ........though also circled 6 other horses where winner can come from.......HAZY OAKS possibly the one to take it on....and others.
If it does win, AND IT MIGHT, .....the way you indicated to back it is still "wrong" .....and i ain't no pro!
Mt Desert 2.50 catterick !
strongly advise you all to lump on it !( win
======================================================
Such careless language always indicate a "barrow-lad" ....sell anything mentality.........the opposite of a "pro" , I would have thought, who would choose words more carefully.
With horse racing many things can go "wrong" ....and to LUMP ON implies put a huge percentage of bank on which generally can't be "right" thing to do in betting.....even though i do it.....BUT THAT JUST PROVES I AIN'T NO PRO!
As it happens I had circled Mt DESERT as a possible winner ........though also circled 6 other horses where winner can come from.......HAZY OAKS possibly the one to take it on....and others.
If it does win, AND IT MIGHT, .....the way you indicated to back it is still "wrong" .....and i ain't no pro!
just keeping the people happy on here who want to raise the stakes my dear friend !
A friend of mine tried that toptips scammer last week, what a pile-o-sh1te.... minus 17s point in 1 week
like to know how !
top-tips wasnt in business last week !
if you feel the need to lie be good at it !
top-tips wasnt in business last week !
if you feel the need to lie be good at it !
if you feel the need to lie be good at it
Why ? you're particularly bad at it.
So far all of your 4 tips on this thread have come in 6th or worse, Then you claim after they've run
that they were spoof tips, and despite you repeatedly urging people to get on/lump on.
You only claim they were wind ups after the races.
Oh great ! another tipster who gives out spoof tips.
You're shyte, you know it, we know it, so why don't you shove your head up yout a4se so you can see it for yourself.
( not that I've got much of an opinion on the subject )
dont you see i am actually very good !
anyone who subscribes to me will know i warned them Hurakan today was a funeral as we went tothe wedding at 15/8 on Monday.
i have also given you (my enemies on here)4 straight losers i only hope some of you backed them !!
dont try laying my next tip though as i might just throw a little spanner in the works ! ha ha
a few on here have subscribed i doubt they will want to back me up s it leaves them open to abuse too !
time for another big fat cigar !!
anyone who subscribes to me will know i warned them Hurakan today was a funeral as we went tothe wedding at 15/8 on Monday.
i have also given you (my enemies on here)4 straight losers i only hope some of you backed them !!
dont try laying my next tip though as i might just throw a little spanner in the works ! ha ha
a few on here have subscribed i doubt they will want to back me up s it leaves them open to abuse too !
time for another big fat cigar !!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... yawn yawn ...
enjoy winding people up thats all its not a crime and i know its annoying !
enjoy winding people up thats all its not a crime and i know its annoying !
69, You obviously have no idea what a huge pratt you're making of yourself in this thread.
You come accross as the type of chav who would bowl up to X-Factor, sing like cat with a poker up its rectum and then get all offended when Mr Cowell tells you the 'realitee'.
Are you the infamous chicken plucker of 2005 ?
Would you like some more ?
P.S. you're probably going to try and post some witty retort to this, don't bother, you don't have it in you and you'll just embarass yourself further.
Crawl back into your little fantasy world, You can be king there, and all the nasty people from the real world won't bother you anymore.
You come accross as the type of chav who would bowl up to X-Factor, sing like cat with a poker up its rectum and then get all offended when Mr Cowell tells you the 'realitee'.
Are you the infamous chicken plucker of 2005 ?
Would you like some more ?
P.S. you're probably going to try and post some witty retort to this, don't bother, you don't have it in you and you'll just embarass yourself further.
Crawl back into your little fantasy world, You can be king there, and all the nasty people from the real world won't bother you anymore.
confession time !!
who the hell is top-tips ? ha ha
oh dear !!..good fun though people !!
who the hell is top-tips ? ha ha
oh dear !!..good fun though people !!
ActiveX 10 Mar 12:49
Imlac1
I have no idea where that box would be. Is that your own for the day?
It might have purple wallpaper ;)
Imlac1
I have no idea where that box would be. Is that your own for the day?
It might have purple wallpaper ;)
Someone named: soixanteneuf, turns out to be an onanist.
oh the irony lol
oh the irony lol
hi ... just been 'running' around forums etc, exploring... and find it hard to understand why obviously intelligent folk (and u know who u r) keep reacting to fellows who actually state 'they-are-winding-you-up' etc etc ...
In other words, what is the attraction in coming back to this particular thread when there is obvious crap being spouted ... Hmmm, ego ?? anyway, my one and only entry, and will not be back ... Aussie-Michael :)
In other words, what is the attraction in coming back to this particular thread when there is obvious crap being spouted ... Hmmm, ego ?? anyway, my one and only entry, and will not be back ... Aussie-Michael :)
you should always have a target figure to LOSE per day.. i dont care what anyone says in here..
once you dont care or its irrelevant how much you lose per day your on the downward spiral my friend..
once you dont care or its irrelevant how much you lose per day your on the downward spiral my friend..
morrissey, that may apply if you are using some sort of 'skill', but what happens on any given day / week / month, has nothing to do with probability.
of course it doesnt.. i didnt say it did.. but at some point in a day you HAVE to say.. thats it.. im confident in what im doing still but.. ill say tomorrow is another day..
if your lucky enough in that you can stand and not be overly affected by a truly horrific day (happens to us all) and carry on if you have a run of bad results then all well and good. i prefer to step back if the results arent going my way and come back another day.
if your lucky enough in that you can stand and not be overly affected by a truly horrific day (happens to us all) and carry on if you have a run of bad results then all well and good. i prefer to step back if the results arent going my way and come back another day.
Fair enough, apologies if that came across as arguementative, I was'nt meaning to be that way.
Also depending upon the what you are betting on then different days could make a difference (e.g. weather, location etc).
Also depending upon the what you are betting on then different days could make a difference (e.g. weather, location etc).
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