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Probably been done before many times so apologies, if it has.
Ok never started one of these before but saw something posted on the horse racing forum last night and which directed me to a thread on here. After reading union jacks latest investment thread of a lay a day for .0% gain. I noticed that he'd racked up well over a month of successful lays of horses that have prices less than 10's. Although admittedly he had a couple of blips early on.
While I like checking in on UJ's threads from time to time, I've never been one to have the patience to do something like that but fancied a similar challenge with a greater risk reward. The only problem his the way I wish to do it goes against the strategy I normally adopt. Which is basically seeking out 'value' by backing at decent odds and laying the odd short priced favourite. imo that's where the value is on Betfair.
Anyway I thought, how hard can it be choosing one or two selections every day or so, going 'all-in' on each one giving at least a 10% return on investment. So backing at 1.1 or a bit higher and laying at 11's or a bit lower.
To make it interesting for the knockers and the supporters the start bank will be £250 so if successful the bank after 30 selections will be £4k+. And the sums staked will quickly be decent amounts.
Summary:-
Start Bank £250
Each bet risking 100% of current bank
Odds of each bet to provide at least 10% return
Averaging 1 bet each day
Note - As I am knew to backing selections for such a small return my average number of bets may increase depending on how opportunties develop. This will just mean I reach the target or go bust sooner!
For the knockers:-
1. I've never wished a fellow punter to lose, even the fast pics 1.01 boys and even if a punter isn't particularly pleasant. The way I see it is that we're all here to do the same thing - make a bit of money !
For the supporters:-
1. Only really bet on horses and dogs these days so suggestions for other sports would be much appreciated. Basically I'm aiming to average one bet a day for a month.
2. When suggesting bets you need to bear in mind that if this thing gets past the first few selections then there needs to be sufficient market liquidity for bets to be placed in well in advance of an event start time or events with SP betting available.
3. Info on 'non-triers' would be much appreciated!
Cheers
JW
Ok never started one of these before but saw something posted on the horse racing forum last night and which directed me to a thread on here. After reading union jacks latest investment thread of a lay a day for .0% gain. I noticed that he'd racked up well over a month of successful lays of horses that have prices less than 10's. Although admittedly he had a couple of blips early on.
While I like checking in on UJ's threads from time to time, I've never been one to have the patience to do something like that but fancied a similar challenge with a greater risk reward. The only problem his the way I wish to do it goes against the strategy I normally adopt. Which is basically seeking out 'value' by backing at decent odds and laying the odd short priced favourite. imo that's where the value is on Betfair.
Anyway I thought, how hard can it be choosing one or two selections every day or so, going 'all-in' on each one giving at least a 10% return on investment. So backing at 1.1 or a bit higher and laying at 11's or a bit lower.
To make it interesting for the knockers and the supporters the start bank will be £250 so if successful the bank after 30 selections will be £4k+. And the sums staked will quickly be decent amounts.
Summary:-
Start Bank £250
Each bet risking 100% of current bank
Odds of each bet to provide at least 10% return
Averaging 1 bet each day
Note - As I am knew to backing selections for such a small return my average number of bets may increase depending on how opportunties develop. This will just mean I reach the target or go bust sooner!
For the knockers:-
1. I've never wished a fellow punter to lose, even the fast pics 1.01 boys and even if a punter isn't particularly pleasant. The way I see it is that we're all here to do the same thing - make a bit of money !
For the supporters:-
1. Only really bet on horses and dogs these days so suggestions for other sports would be much appreciated. Basically I'm aiming to average one bet a day for a month.
2. When suggesting bets you need to bear in mind that if this thing gets past the first few selections then there needs to be sufficient market liquidity for bets to be placed in well in advance of an event start time or events with SP betting available.
3. Info on 'non-triers' would be much appreciated!
Cheers
JW
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we still believe we still believe we still believe nice one johnny!!!!
Johnny can you start a new thread and good luck
Johnny unlucky mate............best thread on betfair imo. Look forward to your next challenge
just read the whole thread. wow so impressive johnny wad.
Wish you all the luck in your next attempt.
You have a new fan here!!
Wish you all the luck in your next attempt.
You have a new fan here!!
Bet 1
2.25 Ling
Oceans Edge £48.07 @ 6.2
Liability = £249.96
2.25 Ling
Oceans Edge £48.07 @ 6.2
Liability = £249.96
Bet 1
2.25 Ling
Oceans Edge £48.07 @ 6.2 (unplaced) :-)
NEW BANK = £296.82
2.25 Ling
Oceans Edge £48.07 @ 6.2 (unplaced) :-)
NEW BANK = £296.82
Bet 2
Sandown 3.45
LAY
Shillingstone £92.75 @ 4.2
Liability = £296.80
Sandown 3.45
LAY
Shillingstone £92.75 @ 4.2
Liability = £296.80
all of your followers are right 2 believe get in there johnny
Bet 2
Sandown 3.45
LAY
Shillingstone £92.75 @ 4.2 (6TH) :-)
NEW BANK = £387.16
Sandown 3.45
LAY
Shillingstone £92.75 @ 4.2 (6TH) :-)
NEW BANK = £387.16
Bet 3
2.30 Hay
LAY
Afsoun £48.39 @ 9.0
Liability = £387.12
I am out all afternoon so won't get chance to post but may be able to use BF mobile. Here are my qualifying lays but they are dependant on price and market reaction. I will update tomorrow with the ones (if any) I lay subject of course to the one above losing!
2.45 Asc Zabeel Palace
2.55 Uttox Machiato / Painted Sky
3.30 Uttox Noakarad De Verzec
3.35 Hay Miko De Beauchene
4.05 Uttox Spear Thistle
4.10 Hay Chamirey
4.20 Ascot Panjo De Bere
4.40 Uttox Pret a Thou
2.30 Hay
LAY
Afsoun £48.39 @ 9.0
Liability = £387.12
I am out all afternoon so won't get chance to post but may be able to use BF mobile. Here are my qualifying lays but they are dependant on price and market reaction. I will update tomorrow with the ones (if any) I lay subject of course to the one above losing!
2.45 Asc Zabeel Palace
2.55 Uttox Machiato / Painted Sky
3.30 Uttox Noakarad De Verzec
3.35 Hay Miko De Beauchene
4.05 Uttox Spear Thistle
4.10 Hay Chamirey
4.20 Ascot Panjo De Bere
4.40 Uttox Pret a Thou
good luck this time around jw -il get my tip in while youre still low this time :)
again its the daily goals market ..for sunday
at the mo to lay - 12 goals 1.74
-14 goals 2.77
-16 goals 5.41
- 18 goals 11.91 (back price is 7.05)
5 games with my predictions
villa v burnley 2-0
black v bolton 2-1
fulham v brum 1-1
wigan v spurs 1-1
city v pool 2-2
fairly realistic ? i dont think il be that far out ... and thats only 13 goals possibly will be less
il be having a lay of 12,14 and16 but for you... keep an eye on the 18+ market surely cant be more than 3.5 a game
good work,good luck
again its the daily goals market ..for sunday
at the mo to lay - 12 goals 1.74
-14 goals 2.77
-16 goals 5.41
- 18 goals 11.91 (back price is 7.05)
5 games with my predictions
villa v burnley 2-0
black v bolton 2-1
fulham v brum 1-1
wigan v spurs 1-1
city v pool 2-2
fairly realistic ? i dont think il be that far out ... and thats only 13 goals possibly will be less
il be having a lay of 12,14 and16 but for you... keep an eye on the 18+ market surely cant be more than 3.5 a game
good work,good luck
Afsoun duly lost and I reckoned Zabeel Palace,Painted Sky and Miko de Beauchene all fitted your rules and all lost.
in hindsight I should have been happy with 6 lays in one day :-(
BET 9
GB / Uttox 20th Feb / 16:40 2m Hcap Chs Pret A Thou Lay 10161261871 20-Feb-10
16:24 C 5.73 174.00 5.73 (822.76)
BET 8
GB / Hayd 20th Feb / 16:10 3m1f Hcap Hrd Chamirey Lay 10160966389 20-Feb-10
16:08 C 5 35.00 5 35.00
GB / Hayd 20th Feb / 16:10 3m1f Hcap Hrd Chamirey Lay 10160842126 20-Feb-10
16:01 C 4.41 150.00 4.41 150.00
BET 7
GB / Uttox 20th Feb / 16:05 2m Hcap Hrd Spear Thistle Lay 10160749101 20-Feb-10
15:55 C 9 73.00 9 73.00
BET 6
GB / Hayd 20th Feb / 15:35 3m4f Hcap Chs Miko De Beauchene Lay 10160369490 20-Feb-10
15:35 C 9.99 55.00 9.99 55.00
BET 5
GB / Uttox 20th Feb / 15:30 3m Hcap Chs Noakarad De Verzee Lay 10159839257 20-Feb-10
15:09 C 9.07 58.00 9.07 58.00
BET 4
GB / Ascot 20th Feb / 14:45 2m3f Hcap Hrd Zabeel Palace Lay 10159314620 20-Feb-10
14:46 C 8.6 5.00 8.6 5.00
GB / Ascot 20th Feb / 14:45 2m3f Hcap Hrd Zabeel Palace Lay 10159210051 20-Feb-10
14:42 C 10.5 40.00 10.5 40.00
BET 9
GB / Uttox 20th Feb / 16:40 2m Hcap Chs Pret A Thou Lay 10161261871 20-Feb-10
16:24 C 5.73 174.00 5.73 (822.76)
BET 8
GB / Hayd 20th Feb / 16:10 3m1f Hcap Hrd Chamirey Lay 10160966389 20-Feb-10
16:08 C 5 35.00 5 35.00
GB / Hayd 20th Feb / 16:10 3m1f Hcap Hrd Chamirey Lay 10160842126 20-Feb-10
16:01 C 4.41 150.00 4.41 150.00
BET 7
GB / Uttox 20th Feb / 16:05 2m Hcap Hrd Spear Thistle Lay 10160749101 20-Feb-10
15:55 C 9 73.00 9 73.00
BET 6
GB / Hayd 20th Feb / 15:35 3m4f Hcap Chs Miko De Beauchene Lay 10160369490 20-Feb-10
15:35 C 9.99 55.00 9.99 55.00
BET 5
GB / Uttox 20th Feb / 15:30 3m Hcap Chs Noakarad De Verzee Lay 10159839257 20-Feb-10
15:09 C 9.07 58.00 9.07 58.00
BET 4
GB / Ascot 20th Feb / 14:45 2m3f Hcap Hrd Zabeel Palace Lay 10159314620 20-Feb-10
14:46 C 8.6 5.00 8.6 5.00
GB / Ascot 20th Feb / 14:45 2m3f Hcap Hrd Zabeel Palace Lay 10159210051 20-Feb-10
14:42 C 10.5 40.00 10.5 40.00
But they shortened up just before the off so shouldn't count. At least if I understand things right ;)
Might be misreading, but Johny took a hit last week.
perhaps let him regroup and keep the streak he had.
perhaps let him regroup and keep the streak he had.
il carry on til he gets back ...paper trading only tho ;)
lay pennek at 3.45 s3.00 £250 to win £97.47
lay pennek at 3.45 s3.00 £250 to win £97.47
next one t 320 lay place at 5.8
avec moi ce soir £347.76 to win £68.83
avec moi ce soir £347.76 to win £68.83
foff nag to riches. dont cluuter this thread with u cack
JW.........your disciples eagerly await your return!!! Ha
Seriously hope you do another one John. Take your time though chief
Seriously hope you do another one John. Take your time though chief
UL JW
Looking forward to the next attempt.
Nags please don't post on here and ruin a very good read.
Looking forward to the next attempt.
Nags please don't post on here and ruin a very good read.
He comes he goes. Like the wind in the night.
And if he has, power to him! Take a gander and do it yourself :)
And if he has, power to him! Take a gander and do it yourself :)
took a week off, got our first born due in three weeks so busy time at the moment.
Will have a go today :-)
Will have a go today :-)
Bet 5
3.00 Ling
LAY
Not In The Clock £87.66 @ 6.35
Liability = £469.36
3.00 Ling
LAY
Not In The Clock £87.66 @ 6.35
Liability = £469.36
ouch 3rd. read that wrong .....
think i'll take an extended break
:-)
think i'll take an extended break
:-)
Take some time off ... good luck with your new baby and come back when you are ready. It has been enjoyable reading about your challenge efforts.
Have another go please johnny 
a very enjoyable thread.
Anyone else want to see a another from johnny please sign below.....................
a very enjoyable thread.
Anyone else want to see a another from johnny please sign below.....................
ha ha where did you find this ! didn't think you could search for old threads, has someone trawelled back? was thinking about having another go as my first attempted was around this time last year.
The story so far .....
Attempt 1 = + £4,500
Attempt 2 = + £750
Attempt 3 = - £250
Attempt 4 = + £1,500
Attempt 5 = - £250
Attempt 6 = - £250
Running Total = +£6000
Attempt 1 = + £4,500
Attempt 2 = + £750
Attempt 3 = - £250
Attempt 4 = + £1,500
Attempt 5 = - £250
Attempt 6 = - £250
Running Total = +£6000
The story so far .....
Attempt 1 = + £4,500
Attempt 2 = + £750
Attempt 3 = - £250
Attempt 4 = + £1,500
Attempt 5 = - £250
Attempt 6 = - £250
Running Total = +£6000
Attempt 1 = + £4,500
Attempt 2 = + £750
Attempt 3 = - £250
Attempt 4 = + £1,500
Attempt 5 = - £250
Attempt 6 = - £250
Running Total = +£6000
Bet 1
3.20 Ling
lay
Top Speed £33.78 @8.4
Liability £249.72
3.20 Ling
lay
Top Speed £33.78 @8.4
Liability £249.72
Bet 1
3.20 Ling
lay
Top Seed £33.78 @ 8.4 (8TH )
NEW BANK = £282.97
3.20 Ling
lay
Top Seed £33.78 @ 8.4 (8TH
)NEW BANK = £282.97
Bet 2
4.00 N/A
LAY
Eddie Dowling £35.36 @ 9.0
Liability = £282.88
4.00 N/A
LAY
Eddie Dowling £35.36 @ 9.0
Liability = £282.88
wellcome back johnny....good to see u.......u the man......best of luck
Bet 2
4.00 N/A
LAY
Eddie Dowling £35.36 @ 9.0 (13TH 14TH or 15TH awaiting full result )
NEW BANK = £317.48
4.00 N/A
LAY
Eddie Dowling £35.36 @ 9.0 (13TH 14TH or 15TH awaiting full result
) NEW BANK = £317.48
got to go out so may not have got the best value for this one
Bet 3
5.00 N/A
LAY
Cubism £96.20 @ 4.3
Liability = £317.46
Bet 3
5.00 N/A
LAY
Cubism £96.20 @ 4.3
Liability = £317.46
Hello Johnny good to see you back
Cubism unplaced BFSP 7!
YOU GOT THE VALUE
Cubism unplaced BFSP 7!
YOU GOT THE VALUE
yup definately did get the value
Bet 3
5.00 N/A
LAY
Cubism £96.20 @ 4.3 (4th )
NEW BANK = £411.35
Bet 3
5.00 N/A
LAY
Cubism £96.20 @ 4.3 (4th
)NEW BANK = £411.35
Bet 4
2.45 Salisbury
LAY
Lockantanks £52.73 @ 8.8
Liability = £411.29
2.45 Salisbury
LAY
Lockantanks £52.73 @ 8.8
Liability = £411.29
Bet 4
2.45 Salisbury
LAY
Lockantanks £52.73 @ 8.8 (6TH)
NEW BANK = £462.76
2.45 Salisbury
LAY
Lockantanks £52.73 @ 8.8 (6TH)
NEW BANK = £462.76
Bet 5
3.35 Redcar
Lay
Charlie Cool £110.17 @ 5.2
Liability = £462.71
3.35 Redcar
Lay
Charlie Cool £110.17 @ 5.2
Liability = £462.71
Bet 5
3.35 Redcar
Lay
Charlie Cool £110.17 @ 5.2 (2nd by a neck)
NEW BANK = £570.12
3.35 Redcar
Lay
Charlie Cool £110.17 @ 5.2 (2nd by a neck)
NEW BANK = £570.12
jhnny can i ask a few questions
how much did you statr with
how much have you banked
how many winning bets you had
how many losing bets you had
thanks
how much did you statr with
how much have you banked
how many winning bets you had
how many losing bets you had
thanks
1.... can i ask you a question
Do you always ask stupid questions when the answers are infront of you, or is it just laziness
Do you always ask stupid questions when the answers are infront of you, or is it just laziness
not got time to scrawl through 17 pages of comments
he might just have the information wrote down
anyway how and why does this effect you its none of your concern
he might just have the information wrote down
anyway how and why does this effect you its none of your concern
1..... I would have to trawl through to answer most of your questions as this is my only record. Started with £250. pnl so far is earlier on this page
gl johnny
any target?
or you just going for the 30 again?
any target?
or you just going for the 30 again?
sorry posting problems
Bet 6
Lay
Northern Flyer currently off and running
Bet 6
Lay
Northern Flyer currently off and running
Bet 6
3pm Beverley
Lay
Northern Flyer 6.12 £110.00 @ 6.12
Liability = £563.73
3pm Beverley
Lay
Northern Flyer 6.12 £110.00 @ 6.12
Liability = £563.73
Bet 6
3pm Beverley
Lay
Northern Flyer £110.00 @ 6.12 (3rd)
Liability = £677.48
3pm Beverley
Lay
Northern Flyer £110.00 @ 6.12 (3rd)
Liability = £677.48
one of the most inspiring threads on here, thanks johnny, got me thinking about laying myself, trouble is my starting bank will be much smaller but when i start i will also make a thread,hopefully as inspiration to others as yours is to me,thanks again.
Bet 7
4.55 Hay
Lay
Satwa Moon £71.31 @10.5
Liability = £677.45
4.55 Hay
Lay
Satwa Moon £71.31 @10.5
Liability = £677.45
Must have been squeaky bum time there!! Well Done Johnny.
Nice to see Johnny....I had already laid Satwa before seeing your selection....it did hit 350ish IR as it came to win the race..thankfully dicky was on a going day....keep it up..
Bet 7
4.55 Hay
Lay
Satwa Moon £71.31 @ 10.5 2nd
NEW BANK = £747.08
4.55 Hay
Lay
Satwa Moon £71.31 @ 10.5 2nd
NEW BANK = £747.08
cheers overseas, glad you were thinking along the same lines. Had a shortlist of 4 to do today and the 2 that didn't quite tick all the boxes were well beaten, the 2 I did were both placed. One of those days I guess. Not bothering with the evening cards. Back tomorrow.
the morrow is yesterday's toda Joined: 08 Feb 10
Replies: 174 09 Jun 10 02:07
gl johnny
any target?
or you just going for the 30 again?
just the usual, aim for 30 and bank some along the way
Replies: 174 09 Jun 10 02:07
gl johnny
any target?
or you just going for the 30 again?
just the usual, aim for 30 and bank some along the way
tbf it ran much better than I thought....big drift pre race, and I thought ground would be a big issue....will keep checking in Johnny....all the best...
Bet 8
4.24 Yarm
Lay
Uncle Keef £116.73 @ 7.4
Liability = ££747.07
4.24 Yarm
Lay
Uncle Keef £116.73 @ 7.4
Liability = ££747.07
Unlucky JW, thought it weren't gonna get there.
Head up PMA, GL if you go again
Head up PMA, GL if you go again
unlucky Johnny, those sort of liabilities are madness!!!!!!
i would just like to nsay thank you jonh,youve made me a nice profit ,thank you
amazing thread. never seen b4
challenge 1 was incredible. cant believe 1 of those horses didnt win at odds under 10's
what happened to johnny ?
challenge 1 was incredible. cant believe 1 of those horses didnt win at odds under 10's
what happened to johnny ?
JW is still around ... posts up occasionally on the BF forum.
didn't realise this thread was still here after the switching over of the forums, I did search for it a while ago but it wasn't there but somehow stumbled across it today. Hard to believe it is over 2 years since I had a go at this. Perhaps I'll another crack at it.
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