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Cartway
21 Oct 08 11:16
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Ok Guy's, a lot of us know the history of Slicer and his invincible Correct Scores bet. Fair play to the bloke - he may have come up with a good system....... or it could be complete tosh.

Assuming he's genuine then it seems to me a good cooperative session of some sharp minds could work out what's going on. So................

with that in mind, is anyone interested in an MSN session or two to see if this thing can be cracked?. I'm testing the water here to see if there's sufficient interest. If you're up for it, stick a post on this thread. If it looks like a few are up for the challenge I'll post some details on an MSN session for the near future.

Mr Slicer - feel free to join us if you feel you can contibute :-) ;-)
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Report St3ve December 18, 2008 7:32 PM GMT
Must be getting close eh son ;)
Report Slicer December 18, 2008 7:34 PM GMT
Mr 3eve-if you do wot you posted just above- youve cracked it!
Report Slicer December 18, 2008 7:35 PM GMT
Oh- I should of mentioned that wot it is wot youve cracked is an express weigh to lose your monet!

I hope this clarifies the matter.
Report Slicer December 18, 2008 7:36 PM GMT
600 posts- A Tribute to Cartway!
Well done!
Report St3ve December 18, 2008 7:36 PM GMT
Weighed in then, thats it. Cracked. :)
Report Slicer December 18, 2008 7:37 PM GMT
;)
Report whelk December 18, 2008 7:41 PM GMT
I think/hope people are thinking it through rather than spending money on it, although the odd ninepen'orth of testing aids concentration.

I suspect I have found slicer's method among a few others.
Report Slicer December 18, 2008 7:42 PM GMT
If anyone's found it Whelk- my monet is on you!
Report sweetchildofmine December 18, 2008 8:41 PM GMT
steve that method is fraught with danger...the combinations do not compliment each other....if you lay the 0-0 at 12.0 for ten pounds you potentially lose 110 pounds.

if you back 0-0 half time you would have to use a stake less than the 0-0 lay otherwise wots the point...theres so many things wrong with that idea
Report THE CATT December 18, 2008 11:10 PM GMT
COME ON NOW
Report sweetchildofmine December 18, 2008 11:16 PM GMT
??
Report surgeon December 18, 2008 11:20 PM GMT
Catt knows - spill the beans catt
Report stockwell December 18, 2008 11:27 PM GMT
ok ok, I'll give you all clue. it involves the key number 1.21. If anyone can tell me how i know this, a medal your way. Even slicer might not know the relevance of this number to his methodology, but I assure you, to be as successfull as Slicer says, this number is crucial
Report sweetchildofmine December 18, 2008 11:39 PM GMT
the shrewdies win their money BEFORE it turns in play ;)
Report clacherholiday2 December 19, 2008 12:15 AM GMT
this strategy is pretty much impossible for me given my work patterns/demands on free time when off.

but i know the score :)

another lifetime perhaps
Report Slicer December 19, 2008 7:23 AM GMT
Stockwell-1.21??
I thought the answer to Life, The Universe and Everything was 42!!
Report Cartway December 19, 2008 8:20 AM GMT
Excellent to see a flurry of postings on this testing subject...and from some fresh sharp minds!....and some very illuminating from Whelk. I've been somewhat detained on other matters recently so unable to give this the fullest attention unfortunately.

Will be returning to the frey in the new year though...ding, ding!...round 2

And a happy and successful Xmas and NY Dr Slicer.....little did we know back in the Euros that the graille hunt would still be going strong!
Report Slicer December 19, 2008 12:22 PM GMT
Your felicitations are reciprocated, Cartway. Congratulations on starting a thread on such a thought provoking subject. While I wish you anmd all BetFairians success in the long term, I am sure you will understand if I wish you all a total lack of success in deciphering the Slicer Method!
Report clacherholiday2 December 19, 2008 4:45 PM GMT
reading some more of these post im wondering if my method isnt actually the slicer method but it requires the same betting patterns ie. 2 pre kick off one in play, 3 markets.

worse result for me is break even on a 0-0 draw :)
Report JPL66 December 27, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
I meant to read this thread, but it's too long now. :-(
Report THE CATT December 28, 2008 7:12 PM GMT
Its not gone??
Report Little one January 15, 2009 8:22 PM GMT
Did anyone ever figure this out or was it just bull
Report THE CATT January 15, 2009 8:36 PM GMT
It was true, slicer is a millionaire now and selling his method for £10,000
Report whelk January 15, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
There is something to it. Not everything has been revealed. There are a number of such cadences, but there are also better ones if you are prepared to take a mixture of profits and small losses.

My 88p to one million challenge leaves me only £999984.99 short of the target.
Report Little one January 15, 2009 9:05 PM GMT
'Cadences' - good word but not sure it's the right one
Report whelk January 15, 2009 9:14 PM GMT
It is a very precise word for the kinds of patterns you see in the movement of the markets.

I have the impression that most punters look for outcomes. My interest is patterns or 'cadences'.
Report antmanbee January 16, 2009 10:42 PM GMT
When's the book out, whelk?
Report tez123 January 16, 2009 10:48 PM GMT
Mark did you ever crack this if not do you still discuss it on msn.
Report cpfc4me January 17, 2009 1:20 AM GMT
The truth is that NO bet at roulette is at true odds, and no combination of two or more bets at unfavourable odds will produce a winning system.

I was reminded of this when reading a post on the Betfair "General Betting" forum where someone is claiming to have 'discovered' a guaranteed 100% system on football by placing two bets, with the occasional third bet.

With 553 posts to date , it seems there are a lot of gullible people around. Quite simply, for this to be true, then one market MUST be out of line with the true odds, and if this were the case, the market would soon pick up on it. Once again, no combination of unfavourable bets can possibly produce a winning system, but nevertheless, the 'hunt' goes on with conferences being held to discuss various ideas.

Good luck to them. I can personally think of better things to do with my spare time, (not that I have any), but the 'discoverer' must be having a quiet chuckle at how naive some people are.
Report Marin1977 January 17, 2009 2:23 AM GMT
Anybody with a brain figured this out when they first started betting...

Attention this hoax gets just shows where the money comes from :)
Report Slicer January 17, 2009 8:13 AM GMT
Just noticed yet another revival of this thread.
Mr Catt is one norty feline. The part of his posting about me selling the System is NOT true. "A goose that lays goalden eggs is never for sale!"

I hope this clarifies the matter.
Report whelk January 17, 2009 9:35 AM GMT
Mostly I write for kids. There are a couple of my books available at present. Two more probably out in April and another in June.

I tend to collect ideas and assemble them into the story when the time is right.

The book of the forum (well it's something not quite that but draws on a lot of things I've observed here) is still in the collection stage.

I agree what is said about the unlikelihood of the 'system'. If slicer has one such of his own he has omitted to tell the entire story, and wisely so.

There are no leaks in the dam so the idea of a lay and a back with another lay if the first loses won't win consistently, just like that.

But there are some 'buts'. If you have two markets where one outgreens the redness of a red one then you are happy. If you can win quite a lot more often than you lose a little (or break even) then that's happy too.

I'm still working with my 88p. Testing with large numbers of quids isn't wise.

Then there's 'cadences' the pattern of movement. Cast between each wave and you'll cast further out, your feet stay drier and you catch more fish.

Happy fishing.
Report please win January 17, 2009 10:08 AM GMT
slicer why dont u sell it i'd buy it. how much profit have u made using this system, if i may ask thanks
Report Slicer January 17, 2009 10:25 AM GMT
I have never sold tips or systems and I never will.
Anyone who sells his system does not have a successful system. If a system works one doesnt need monet from other sauces.

Whelk- I am a collector of childrens book, I have a complete set of the original Noddy books amongst others. If you give me the info on your books I may add them to my collection.

Good luck with your puntering and gambolling. btw- their are several good opportunities on the West Ham/Fulham game and others this pm.
Report please win January 17, 2009 10:29 AM GMT
no worries
Report cpfc4me January 17, 2009 2:16 PM GMT
It is a mathematical impossibility for a combination of two (or more) negative expectancy bets to result in a 'guaranteed' profit. This thread is just a big wind up, but it is entertaining to see how many people are being suckered. You should start a new religion Slicer.
Report Slicer January 17, 2009 2:24 PM GMT
Nothink wrong with the religion I have at the moment thank you!

The Very Reverend Dr Aristotle Slicer PhD MB BS B Pharm MRCVS DRCOG Cert BHD
Archbishop, Chief Mullah, Chief Rabbit, Jah Minor of North Southeast Mumbai
Report cpfc4me January 17, 2009 2:32 PM GMT
He IS the messiah!
Report Slicer January 17, 2009 2:33 PM GMT
No I am not, I am just a very norty boy!

I hope this clarifies the matter.
Report whelk January 17, 2009 3:15 PM GMT
I agree, cpfc4me, that a scenario such as lay 0-0 HT, bet 0-0 FT and lay 0-0 FT cannot work (very often). There are a host of such systems - lay the draw, bet the loser, lay the winner, ....

So if slicer is claiming to have something like that it's a wind up.

But there are a few winning opportunities if you get away from betting outcomes.
Report cpfc4me January 18, 2009 2:46 AM GMT
But there are a few winning opportunities if you get away from betting outcomes.

Can you explain what you mean there? I'm a simple man.
Report whelk January 18, 2009 9:56 AM GMT
I suspect that we're all simple souls or we wouldn't be here.

Outcomes - You need Spurs to win - you need less than 2.5 goals - you need someone to get a red card. If it doesn't happen you lose.

You have to guarantee a return whatever the outcome and that's what bookies do reliably. It's difficult to make a book with no overround, but in play gives you the opportunity to respond to the dynamics of the markets.

Slicer's method as described seems a bit simplistic to me because if the markets didn't adjust they would leak money, which is why I suspect he isn't telling the entire story.

Essentially you are trying to make an overround book in play. You know, for example, that you can't have the 5 to 1 you need for a particular outcome, but you also know that the dynamics of the market will deliver it - if you need it.

This is not a trivial exercise and I'm far from complete in my fun and games with it. That's why I suggest you investigate using very small stakes initially.
Report Slicer January 18, 2009 10:08 AM GMT
Mr Whelk- I disagree!
No weigh can BetFairuians be described as simple souls. We is all complex searching for the answer to riches. Although I must admit their is one or too r souls on chit chat and the politics forum.

Just to point out both premiership games today offer excellent opportunities.
Good luck all.
Report whelk January 18, 2009 3:45 PM GMT
One of my markets in the Spurs match has a very satisfying evenly red -£0.15 from top to bottom.

Looking through today's matches, I noticed Charleroi. I went there when I was about 18 so it has an emotional pull. A danger in gambling situations.

I still have the postcards. All they had available at the time were pictures of The Palais de Beaux Arts, The Abbetoir and the Maternity Hospital.
Report antmanbee January 21, 2009 5:19 PM GMT
bump
Report aye_and_whit January 21, 2009 5:50 PM GMT
This Hedging strategy relies on a decrease in the odds of the 1-1 score line in the Correct Score market, after a goal is scored or two goals are scored to get the score to 1-1.
Whether you are a seasoned trader or a beginner, this strategy offers quite a safe way of trading.
Providing you stake correctly, you could make good percentage profits on your initial stake if you are able to Hedge using this strategy.
The big advantage of this strategy is that it is a Bet First Hedge, rather than a Lay First hedge.
Whenever you use a Lay First hedge (odds increasing), your profit will always be less than your original Lay stake, but with a Bet First hedge, (odds decreasing), your profit can be much bigger than your original Bet stake.
This means that the potential profits from this Hedge of the Correct Score Market can be very good.
If events go against you, a Dutching strategy is provided to enable you to continue trading in the match.
The big odds available for this exit strategy can make this Hedging of the 1-1 score line strategy quite a safe way of trading football matches.
Basic Strategy.

Before the kick-off, place a 1-1 Bet in the Correct Score market.

Place an Insurance Bet.

Whilst there are no goals, do nothing - you will break even.

After a goal is scored, Lay your original 1-1 Bet score line to profit if the Lay odds are lower than your original Bet odds.
Report sweetchildofmine January 21, 2009 5:59 PM GMT
whats the insurance bet?
Report aye_and_whit January 21, 2009 6:03 PM GMT
more than 1.5 goals???
Report CurlyBlues January 21, 2009 6:08 PM GMT
What if you layed a sub evens shot first?
Report sweetchildofmine January 21, 2009 6:09 PM GMT
if u place a 1-1 then an insurance bet then profit if nothing happens it has to be a under 1.5 or a back of 0-0 imo
Report sweetchildofmine January 21, 2009 6:13 PM GMT
if an even matched game with a starting price for 1-1 of 7.8

what price 1-1 if an early goal?
Report sweetchildofmine January 21, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
and what price 1-1 if goalless at half time?
Report whelk January 21, 2009 7:48 PM GMT
If the match is goalless at half time, the 1-1 price will not have moved very much. If the favourite scores an early goal, the 1-1 price will often increase considerably.

You really must complete extensive research to understand thise problem.
Report sweetchildofmine January 21, 2009 8:02 PM GMT
thats why you only select an evenly matched game
Report whelk January 21, 2009 8:11 PM GMT
Evenly matched game. At KO, 1-1 at 7.2. At HT, 1-1 at 7.8. After first goal at 53 minutes, 1-1 at 6.8.
Report sweetchildofmine January 21, 2009 8:12 PM GMT
whelk the starting price to back 1-1 tonights spurs game...7.6

after the goal 1-1 was 5.5
Report sweetchildofmine January 21, 2009 8:14 PM GMT
and tonite was a fairly evenly matched tie given the circumstances
Report sweetchildofmine January 21, 2009 8:17 PM GMT
as we speak, with 15 to go...1-1 is trading at 5.0
Report whelk January 21, 2009 8:19 PM GMT
You need a lot more stats. You may be a good judge of matches and if so, good luck to you but I don't see this as a reliable system.
Report sweetchildofmine January 21, 2009 8:20 PM GMT
dont get me wrong its not my system, just bouncing ideas around
Report whelk January 21, 2009 8:25 PM GMT
I'm not knocking your efforts. I've already made my small return on the Barcelona game.
Report sweetchildofmine January 21, 2009 8:27 PM GMT
back 0-0 and trade off by chance?
Report sweetchildofmine January 21, 2009 8:27 PM GMT
0-0 was available earlier at 22.0 and after twenty minutes it was down to 10.0
Report Dutchy Schwarz January 21, 2009 8:28 PM GMT
Tried this during the W.C., was going along nicely until there was a couple of goals in quick succession for the same team. Knocked the few tick profits I was making straight off the map.

Not knocking it by any means, but reminds me of our old friend the FCG ... a few, small profitable steps forward a knock in the bawllix back.
Report whelk January 21, 2009 8:29 PM GMT
No.

I've already said that you cannot depend on outcome like that.
Report CurlyBlues January 21, 2009 9:36 PM GMT
The big advantage of this strategy is that it is a Bet First Hedge, rather than a Lay First hedge.
Whenever you use a Lay First hedge (odds increasing), your profit will always be less than your original Lay stake, but with a Bet First hedge, (odds decreasing), your profit can be much bigger than your original Bet stake.


I'd still like to know why laying low odds would not lead to massive prophets?
Report junglist January 21, 2009 10:33 PM GMT
I think what he means is laying scores is usually high odds ,lowest is any un when one side is deemed alot better.
Report Slicer January 22, 2009 7:35 AM GMT
To quote the traffic policeman who pulled up an oap on the M6 near Birmingham, wear the oap thought he was on the M25, "You are on the wrong track"!
Report Slicer January 22, 2009 7:36 AM GMT
I hope this is of assistance in saving you're monet.
Report junglist January 22, 2009 10:28 AM GMT
Slice do you trade or wait until end of match?
Report Slicer January 22, 2009 12:10 PM GMT
I have never given aweigh my method. But it is generally known that I plaice 2 bets before ko and then 1 further bet in running if necessary. Should bet 3 be necessary I trade out of one of the bets plaiced befor ko.

I hope this is of assistance.
Report aye_and_whit January 23, 2009 9:26 AM GMT
i copied this off a website btw, im not going to pretend i made it up, its just what tht slicer guy does
Report Slicer January 23, 2009 9:51 AM GMT
Plese clarify wot it is to wot you is alleging plese!
Report Slicer January 23, 2009 9:52 AM GMT
btw Mr _whit?, this Slicer guy is Dr Aristotle Slicer!

I hope this clarifies the matter.
Report buzzer January 23, 2009 11:10 AM GMT
selling something that relies on the ht market would not be feasible! ;)
Report Slicer January 23, 2009 11:36 AM GMT
You is wrong!
Otherwise football clubs would not sell burgers, ***** tea etc at half time. Shirley all these sales depend on the ht market!
Report buzzer January 23, 2009 11:39 AM GMT
i bow down to your superior knowledge slicer
Report Slicer January 23, 2009 11:42 AM GMT
I hate it when peopul bow before my superior knowledge. My superior knowledge is so obvious, it dont knead peopul bowing all over the plaice. But thanks for your gesture anyweigh!

Dr Aristotle Slicer PhD MB BS B Pharm MRCVS DRCOG Cert BHD
Consultant in Almost Everything
Report THE CATT September 22, 2009 9:21 AM BST
Hello!!!
Report THE CATT September 22, 2009 9:24 AM BST
Slicer has retired on this and thats why he is not around any more. he made his dough ;)
Report Hopeless bettor September 22, 2009 1:31 PM BST
Oh no, run for the hills!!!
Report THE CATT September 22, 2009 1:34 PM BST
Read through this earlier... where have all the people gone from this thread, did they all crack it and now living the life of secrecy ?????
Report ibrox September 22, 2009 7:17 PM BST
yes
Report tobermory October 24, 2009 2:00 AM BST
Report Sliced!!! February 15, 2010 7:15 PM GMT
Anybody ever crack this??????
Report Sliced!!! February 15, 2010 7:15 PM GMT
Anybody ever crack this??????
Report Anna1943. February 15, 2010 8:25 PM GMT
Probably not cause there isnt anything to crack......
Report scummbag February 15, 2010 8:38 PM GMT
Don't waste your time, betfairs cross matching ensures any loopholes are only exploited by themselves. They have probably got angles covered,we havent thought of yet.
Report Kauto is a star February 22, 2010 5:24 PM GMT
Why is practically all of this thread blocked out?
Report JAILER February 22, 2010 5:57 PM GMT
It's an issue with the server.If you go on IE it will show up normally.
Report duckquack April 8, 2012 6:20 PM BST
Just a bit of advice to anyone that might be, or in the future, be planning to try and crack the holy grail, profits have been reduced using slicers method. I only know this because I thought I had cracked it using odds from slicers known grail games, only to find it doesn't work now, which when I asked slicer he also confirmed this, shame I'm about 2 years too late :/
Report aceporty April 10, 2012 3:15 PM BST
Not sure the purpose of your post, first you tell us reduced profits and then you tell us it no longer works, so which comment is correct. If it no longer works perhaps you can reveal the secret and put some of us out of our misery.
Report duckquack April 12, 2012 10:39 PM BST
I'm sorry didn't mean to mislead, as slicer has already mentioned previously his bet was based on arbing (not in the traditional sense) between 2 markets which for some reason is hard to notice but *used to be* right in front of us. I have shared what I discovered with one other active user on this forum that was always asking questions and trying to discover the bet. I won't reveal what I found just in case me or slicer might be wrong about the reduced profits in the future, but at this moment and at least for the last 5 months there hasn't been a game to my knowledge that this bet would of worked on.

Take it from me don't waste your time working on this, I hope after the other user I shared this with has had time to test what I showed him on slicers known games and on some of the more recent games, he will be able to confirm this aswell, most of you should know him :)
Report duckquack April 12, 2012 10:42 PM BST
Oh and just to mention, I haven't made a penny out of this bet, but would of back in slicers games of around 7-9% ROI, you all know the 2 markets slicer used, the arbing is in there and its not the 0-0.

GL :D
Report PugMunter1 July 19, 2014 1:15 PM BST
nice work alicer
Report PugMunter1 July 19, 2014 1:15 PM BST
slicer
Report Slicer July 20, 2014 1:31 PM BST
I have only just noticed the revival of this thread. Why has this been revived???

We all know what happened when someone tried to sell the System allegedly knowing the content of the Holy Grail. The very first bet lost a lot of people a lot of money

I know I joke around a lot on these forums and offer some serious advice on subjects I know about.

BUT HEED THIS WARNING. IF ANYONE ALLEGES THAT IT WAS I WHO SOLD THIS SYSTEM RESULTING IN LOSSES, I SHALL INSTRUCT MY LEGAL TEAM TO TAKE ACTION. I have repeatedly stated that I do not post on any other betting forums or have any other user or forum name on BetFair forums. MY LEGAL TEAM WILL TAKE ACTION INSTRUCTING BETFAIR TO CONFIRM WHAT I HAVE STATED. My good name is of the utmost importance. TAKE THIS AS THE ONE AND ONLY WARNING! My costs will be substantial as will my compensation!
Report PugMunter1 July 24, 2014 2:31 PM BST
^^^^^^^

Rattled
Report uncle nasty November 25, 2014 10:53 PM GMT
a pseudonym, suing a pseudonym. don't think so.
Report Greg_Gory December 1, 2014 12:15 AM GMT
But Dr Slicer are you a soccer widow Wink

GrinGrin
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