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If global warming doesn't exist then can I start putting my tin cans back in with the normal rubbish?
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http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=7122
That's the temp. change graph for 1680-1780. It's not a huge difference for the sort of stuff we've been seeing in recent times, except it's the other way around of course. Compare this to the last ten years, yes i know that's not 100, but as you'll see the numbers are far smaller, so you can extrapolate a little (I cant find a 100 year map, which would be ideal) http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/06f214610/en/fixed/470/334/Global_Warming_Map.jpg |
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Schalke 04
No that's completely different subject. This is a common mistake. I don't think any one is saying that recycling is a bad thing. Just that they are not convinced about mmgw. |
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It predates betfair i believe sunset!
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actually it may not predate betfair, i know it's close.
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Schalke 04 06 Feb 01:29
If global warming doesn't exist then can I start putting my tin cans back in with the normal rubbish? Global warming and cooling does exist, there cannot be a static state of climate. The fact that they want you to believe that you're responsible for it, and hence justify taxes for the next century, is where you are being conned if you allow it to be so. |
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I also know that the Earth is incredibly resiliant
The Earth is, but the lifeforms on it, and individual species, are not. |
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You know what, I am a big believer that we are all getting conned about this whole thing. I don't know enough about it though to join in and contribute to the debate but I will read on with interest.
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Of course wea re getting conned. The Q is who by? And to believe what?
My money is on the oil companies, they have the funds and the previous. |
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Did you see the Ap Index at an all time low Dec 2009?
What is the Ap index and how does that effect the Sun? |
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The solar Gleissberg Cycle predictions of global cooling, published in the late 70s and 80s if not earlier, gave clear notice in advance that a downturn in solar activity (irradiance and eruptivity) was ahead and that the full impact would be felt around 2012 and run for two to three decades overall
Do you have a source for this? |
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Saw on the News yesterday that less people now believe in mmgw according to the latest survey. Looks like the mmgw believers are loosing the battle to convince people.They have taken alot of torpedo's lately. The leaked emails, the bad winter and the mistake with the Himalayas glaciers.I also saw on the news yesterday that scientists are saying that January was the warmest on record globally. I find that hard to believe with what the northern hemisphere has just experienced during this winter.And now the east coast of the USA is experiencing it's worst snow storm in 90 years.
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Met Office website has global maps showing it very warm in Canada and Western USA. It was very hot in S Africa during the test series.
You can learn nothing from local weather and news reports about global conditions. We haven't had that bad a winter in Leicester. A little bit of snow now and again, don't know what the fuss is about. When I first moved here 4 inches of snow wasn't unusual. Haven't seen that for 20 years. Obviously upland areas have had heavy snow. Surprise surprise. |
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Some warmists have accused me of being a selfish 'denier' because I enjoy driving. I ask them why they don't accuse people who enjoy consuming electricity in their homes of being selfish 'deniers' too?
Desperate stuff now. There is no equivalence between heating your house (necessary for survival) and using inefficient transportation when public vehicles are available. All the "alternative science" falls away and it comes down to the fact that you enjoy driving. Realist? Or just petrolhead? The petrol is going to run out quite soon anyway. |
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Sunset Cristo, if you look back to my post of 4th Feb 20.28 I provided a couple of links to help explain the Ap Index.
"NOAAs Space Weather Prediction Center released their latest data and graph of the interplanetary geomagnetic index (Ap) which is a proxy for the activity of the solar dynamo." ---------------------------- Early predictions came from Dr T Landscheidt : http://www.schulphysik.de/klima/landscheidt/iceage.htm Dr T says: "My long-range forecasts of precisely defined classes of energetic X-ray flares and strong geomagnetic storms, covering the period 1979 � 1985, reached an overall hit rate of 90 percent though such events show a very irregular distribution. These forecasts were checked by the Space Environment Center, Boulder, and the astronomers Gleissberg, Whl and Pfleiderer (Landscheidt, 1986)." Showing that Landscheidt had been working on this since the 70s. http://www.schulphysik.de/klima/landscheidt/Fig11e.jpg See above chart and particularly the section 9. Forecast of deep Gleissberg minima and cold climate around 2030 and 2200 where he says "As to the minimum around 2030, there are additional indications that global cooling is to be expected instead of global warming. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) will show negative values up to at least 2016 (Landscheidt, 2001), and La Ninas will be more frequent and stronger than El Ninos through 2018 (Landscheidt, 2000)." |
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Moon Light 07 Feb 02:45
Desperate stuff now. There is no equivalence between heating your house (necessary for survival) and using inefficient transportation when public vehicles are available. You have got to be joking!! The motor car is extremely efficient in comparison to filthy carcenogenic public transport. Who mentioned heating? Are you implying that every electrical item in your house is used as a necessity?! We're Poles apart Moon Light, to the extent that further debate or converstation between us is meaningless. |
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mini ice age seems to come every 150 years due to the gulf stream with the last one around 1850s
there are a few ways which can bring the uk get freezing mini ice ages 1 gulf stream 2 sun spots 3 volcanic ash layers blocking the sun off for few years with yellowstone super volcanio it due one soon |
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google
YELLOWSTONE SUPERVOLCANO oh my if that happen we are feacke d |
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mini ice age seems to come every 150 years due to the gulf stream with the last one around 1850s
Do you have a source for this? |
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it not a fact but it do comes and go from time to time
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you could work for the IPCC with logic like that chrisblues
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For an interestingly alternative perspective on the subject, one that deviates from the mainstream propaganda, I would recommend this book, which is excellent:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Real-Global-Warming-Disaster-Scientific/dp/1441110526/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265552226&sr=8-1 |
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You have got to be joking!! The motor car is extremely efficient in comparison to filthy carcenogenic public transport.
One man against the world on that. |
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global warming my arse.... is just a way to tax us more
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Overall tax burden is decided by the Treasury in accordance with it's macroeconomic models.
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Trevh it's probably me being obtuse, but I don't understand this.
The IPCC's judgement that the solar factor is negligible is based on satellite observations available since 1978 which show that the Sun's total irradiance, though not being constant, changes only by about 0.1 percent during the course of the 11-year sunspot cycle. This argument, however, does not take into account that the Sun's eruptional activity (energetic flares, coronal mass ejections, eruptive prominences), heavily affecting the solar wind, as well as softer solar wind contributions by coronal holes have a much stronger effect than total irradiance. The total magnetic flux leaving the Sun, dragged out by the solar wind, has risen by a factor of 2.3 since 1901 (Lockwood et al., 1999), while global temperature on earth increased by about 0.6�C. The energy in the solar flux is transferred to the near-Earth environment by magnetic reconnection and directly into the atmosphere by charged particles. Energetic flares increase the Sun's ultraviolet radiation by at least 16 percent. Ozone in the stratosphere absorbs this excess energy which causes local warming and circulation disturbances. General circulation models developed by Haigh (1996), Shindell et al. (1999), and Balachandran et al. (1999) confirm that circulation changes, initially induced in the stratosphere, can penetrate into the troposphere and influence temperature, air pressure, Hadley circulation, and storm tracks by changing the distribution of large amounts of energy already present in the atmosphere. Could you explain this in lay mens terms? |
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Trevh is busy doing his Toad of Toad Hall impression, so I'll have a go.
They don't agree whether the sun affects it or not, but the bosses say no. The total amount of sunshine doesn't change, but it is prone to farting and belching. If this comes our way it means trouble! It causes changes in the weather, which are probably too complicated for anyone ever to understand. |
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SC, basically it explains that the IPCC's comment regarding solar irradiance demonstrates either forgetfulness or deliberate omission regarding the totally different solar forcing from solar eruptivity, which derives from the solar magnetosphere and solar wind and not the radiation (energy budget).
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We no longer use the term,'global warming'..It is now,"climate change"....I have been watching footie matches around the world,and keenly looking at the weather conditions..What I am observing is extreme weather..Snow in Madrid,Milan and extreme cold in Britain is indicative of a faltering Gulf Stream..When this "heat exchanger" breaks down the Earth will still have to lose the heat she accumulates from her equatorial regions..This will be achieved by other means..We will have a period of cataclysmic events as heat dissipates,probably via new corridors of least resistance..The weather will go wild...We are in the middle of Earths biggest extinction event.only jellyfish will emerge,as they will like the prevailing conditions..I also hope the cocs will survive as they have been making their moves to avert this,just as they did with the Asteroid..This is a rare event and I hope you will enjoy the show.
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stick to watching the footie !!!!
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greekstooktheboats do you actually have any evidence for these bold assertions apart from watching football?
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Climate change is climate chamge. Weather is weather. Global warming causes global cooling. You not seen the day after tomorrow?
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....... meanwhile, back on planet earth !!
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That proves it then. Hollywood made a film about it. We know their prediction always come true.sheesh.
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climate and weather - two very different things ...simples !
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