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ekcite
09 Feb 10 20:45
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hi, i have got a question:

with a strategy proved on 300 matches and average odds of 1.84 and the percentage of your winnings is 49% and loses 51%... can one make a profit in long term?
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Report Benjy February 9, 2010 8:46 PM GMT
No imo.
Report ekcite February 9, 2010 8:50 PM GMT
why?

i think the odds outweigh the numbers of your losing bets...
Report d13phe February 9, 2010 8:59 PM GMT
from your figures no

but need more info
Report intensity February 9, 2010 9:03 PM GMT
Average odds of 1.84 and hitting 51%? It's **.
Report sir_lancealot February 9, 2010 9:04 PM GMT
depends what your staking plan is
Report ekcite February 9, 2010 9:07 PM GMT
well,sorry, i mean by laying those average odds!!!
Staking plan is alway lay the same percentage of your bank
Report farraflash February 9, 2010 9:09 PM GMT
You will make a loss backing and a profit laying at 1.84 if the 49/51 holds up.
Report buzzer February 9, 2010 9:13 PM GMT
you haven't factored commission in. I take it you'll be operating on here?
Report farraflash February 9, 2010 9:20 PM GMT
Still looks good with a 5% commission, 300 is a very small sample.
Report ekcite February 9, 2010 9:22 PM GMT
yes, i do operate here.

so as farraflash says by laying at those average odds one should make a profit. that is what i also think.

i made a test of 300 real matches. that strategy is based on stats of 4400 matches with a little different odds of 52% loses,48% wins and average odds of 1.80. it depends on the odds you get matched in "real".
Report Blue eyes February 9, 2010 9:41 PM GMT
You can't just "average odds" for obvious reasons. More information needed.
Report farraflash February 9, 2010 9:42 PM GMT
If it is successful be prepared to move if you hit the PC.
Report Compound Magic February 10, 2010 1:29 AM GMT
If your figures held true and you laid to a backers stake of 10.00 ~
For a 100 consecutive bets

Expectation
49 Winning lays @ 10.00 = 490
51 Losing lays @ -8.4 = -428.4
Gross profit = 61.6
@ 5% commission = 490*.05 = 24.5
Net profit = 37.10 (61.6-24.5)
Actual commission % paid on gross profit = 24.5/61.6 = 39.8%

PC calculation
Commission paid on winnings = 24.50
Commission generated on losses = 428.4 * 3% =12.85
PC calculated commission = (24.5+12.85)/2 = 18.68
Commission generated total 18.68/61 = 30.3%
Which is more than 20% so no PC applicable

End result % profit per 100 bets = 3.71 using a bank of 1000.00
Given the win rate and prices, 400.00 bank would probably suffice. A bank less than
that would be risky indeed.
So on a 400.00 bank your % profit would increase to 37.1/400 = 9.28% per 100 bets.

Does not matter the sequence or the price of each individual bet as long as
the average holds true as stated.
Report farraflash February 10, 2010 5:51 AM GMT
For 100 bets per week you will be paying the PC if you get 52 or more 'winners' in a week. The chance of this happening is 30.8% so you will be paying the PC about 1 week in 3.
Report ekcite February 10, 2010 6:38 AM GMT
I think there will only be max. 100 bets per month.
Report ekcite February 10, 2010 6:40 AM GMT
no, sorry... 100-150 per month. depends on the odds
Report ekcite February 10, 2010 6:48 AM GMT
AND my stakes will not be at level stakes but at a certain percentage. that means that the bank grows (reduces if losses) faster than at level stakes.

so the PC has to be recalculated. but thanks very much for the calculation, compound magic!!!
Report Compound Magic February 10, 2010 7:44 AM GMT
Beware staking by a % of the bank

The bigger the % the lower profit % per win

Better to increase stake after bank increases by X amount and
decrease after losing X amount (% of bank)
Report ekcite February 10, 2010 8:54 AM GMT
the percentage will be around 3%
Report catfloppo February 10, 2010 9:21 AM GMT
farraflash 10 Feb 06:51

For 100 bets per week you will be paying the PC if you get 52 or more 'winners' in a week. The chance of this happening is 30.8% so you will be paying the PC about 1 week in 3.


Not true because the lifetime commission paid will be well over 20%. Even on a good week pc will not apply
Report Compound Magic February 10, 2010 9:24 AM GMT
A 1000.00 bank

3% level stake on 1000.00 bank
30.00 Lay loses =+ 30.00
30.00 lay wins = - 25.2 = 4.80 profit less 1.5 com. =net gain 3.3

3% stake on bank 1000.00
30.00 lay loses = +30.00 -1.5 com= +28.5

next bet 3% of new bank 1028.5 = 30.8
30.80 lay wins = -25.87 = 28.5-25.87 = net gain 2.63
Same two horses level stake, net gain 3.30
To 3% of bank, net gain 2.63 a difference of 20% profit

If all goes well you will end up in front of level stakes but with more risk
and a higher commission bill.
Report ekcite February 10, 2010 9:35 AM GMT
yes, thats true.

as long as the numbers stated above hold this is the way to go I think.

I will give it a go.
Report Haslam February 10, 2010 2:20 PM GMT
is the average price to back 1.84? obviously you may not neccessarily lay at that price.
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