ARBING FOR A FULL TIME JOB

23-Apr-2008 IRE / Punch 23rd Apr / 16:50 2m4f Hcap Chs 1,628 112,832
23-Apr-2008 IRE / Punch 23rd Apr / 16:50 To Be Placed 378 111,204

HTF can you arb that much on a 16 runner hcap when the win mkt is always higher on here in such races ?

There is no liquidity until live mkt opens and even then its poor.

fair play arb boy and good luck but you can see why people doubt as no one can continually arb with online bookies without being restricted...but you seem to have an open door..

ty warwick. depends how many bank accounts you have access to. obviously i get a lot of accounts closed but its the nature of the job and u move on and start again with a new set of accounts. never a problem finding new bank accounts if you pay people enough to get involved.

does it not get messy with regard to tax when using other peoples bank accounts arboy?

are your initials TA?

No he cant be TA.

You mean Tony?

hARROW?

to regulary turn over 75k a day online you must have access to some bank accounts...

RefusetoLost - with ladbrokes can you tell what the max bet ladbrokes will accept before place your bet i.e. if you want 1000 on Liverpool is there something on their site that shows you the max you can have is 400 or do you have to try and bet the 1000 before they tell you the max they will accept is 400??

Refusetolose - I meant with lad

Hover over the price

Just found a very nice snooker arb but cannot make full use of it as one half is a gubbed account.

Thanks for that ses

well after todays business im on 204212 points so stick that up ya piper

Who made you King?

you would never get caught out with premierbet? are you a mind reader then and have access to their bank accounts to see they was in the sh!t. They were on slow pay months before it looked like they'd be shut down.
And why are you posting at 3.30am in the morning lol

Cos he works nights as a security guard to fund his arbs

1st you say your savvy and have no trouble getting bets on then it comes out you get shutdown like everyone else.
Just prepared to open more bank accounts and have more aliases than The Jackal.

Why would anyone on 2% be complaining the other week about slow settlement on an NBA basketball match, surely if you were on 2% you would have enough in your account slow settlement would have no impact.

l o l

points update for all the doubters - should be back at 2.1% by the end of the week again.

As for the nba settlement. Great memory you really should get out more!!!! it was more to do with laying 1000/1 after the match was completed on both the match and totals and i had a significant 5 figure sum tied up and wanted it unlocked incase another opportunity arose. Not totally sure why someone on 2% should have an unlimited bankroll in betfair which i certainly dont have. 20 is 20 for laying a price that is already beaten.

Happy arbing boys

Date Description Points BP Balance
25-Apr-2008 BAGS Cards / Wstow 25th Apr / 12:58 S3 640m 3 118,737
25-Apr-2008 BAGS Cards / HGrn 25th Apr / 12:47 A3 480m 25 118,734
25-Apr-2008 BAGS Cards / Wstow 25th Apr / 12:42 A7 475m 22 118,709
25-Apr-2008 BAGS Cards / HGrn 25th Apr / 12:32 A5 480m 24 118,687
25-Apr-2008 BAGS Cards / Wstow 25th Apr / 12:27 A8 475m 47 118,663
25-Apr-2008 BAGS Cards / HGrn 25th Apr / 12:18 A6 480m

ur a bit of an idiot really aren't u, u don't think bookies use betfair and read the forums, ur shootin urself in the foot, so need to be quiet imo!

arbboy seems to get 1000 bets online on bags races whilst the country cant get 100 in a shop...staggering

100 soz*

SILKY CALLING OBEONE 24 Apr 19:09


Why would anyone on 2% be complaining the other week about slow settlement on an NBA basketball match, surely if you were on 2% you would have enough in your account slow settlement would have no impact.

PMSL :^0

Sir W?rwick Hnt 25 Apr 14:05


arbboy seems to get 1000 bets online on bags races whilst the country cant get 100 in a shop...staggering

good point

further update on the points for the doubters again. hit the 2.1% earlier than expected after a busy day.

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Current Discount Rate: 58%
Betfair Points scheme explained 1 - 50 of 67 Records

Date Description Points BP Balance
25-Apr-2008 GB / Bang 25th Apr / 20:15 To Be Placed 27 126,362
25-Apr-2008 GB / Newt 25th Apr / 20:05 To Be Placed 26 126,335
25-Apr-2008 GB / Bang 25th Apr / 20:15 2m1f Hcap Hrd 92 126,309

fingers crossed for a huge weekend and get to the 'holy grail' of 2% which no arber can possbily get to as per warwick

sorry about not responding earlier guys to ur queries.

chargeeee - how can a bookie work out how i am from posting my points totals when every event i arb is done with at least 2 or 3 different bookmakers/accounts with the same bookmaker? i know they read the forum because i worked in the industry for years. hence why i am not giving away any information that could possibly trace me.

as for the dogs boys just a little bit of interest over breakfast. easy enough to get a few hundred on a bags dog. again u just need the right accounts/or know a few traders in race rooms who turn a blind eye to it!!!! as i said before u obvioiusly dont have that many contacts in the game.

good evening to you all

arbboy

hello is that lad books, can i speak to bazza in the greyhounds arb department please. Yes sir I'll put you through to his home number. is that 1k at 9/1 on Droopy's c0ck you want? sure thing please wait while i bend over.

Here's my commission points

23-Apr-2008 Conkers World Championships / Bognor Regis 12:27 118,663

Still making me larf.

arbboy=david hood

Refuse2Lose 25 Apr 23:23


hello is that lad books, can i speak to bazza in the greyhounds arb department please. Yes sir I'll put you through to his home number. is that 1k at 9/1 on Droopy's c0ck you want? sure thing please wait while i bend over.

Here's my commission points

23-Apr-2008 Conkers World Championships / Bognor Regis 12:27 118,663

Classic. :-)

arbboy.

why do you need multiple accounts if you know traders in racerooms who turn a blind eye??

If said accounts are not in your name how do your mates in the raceroom know to turn a blind eye?

How do your mates in the raceroom explain repeatedly laying lumpy bets to your accounts, when trading at less on here?? surely their employers would nip it in the bud after the 1st few bets.

i look forward to your answers. (1.01 he says he can't give the answers out on the forum)

when has my greyhound business ever implied more than a few hundred on a dog? its not hard to get that on in a losing account if u use ur head boys. u boys really have never worked in the game have u or have any contacts in the slightest?????

do u really think 20k a year traders cant be bought???? do u really think they care about the firms they work for?

ur responses make u look more and more silly as i contuine to proof my points balance daily. no idea why you dont believe me. i as said earlier i am more than happy for anyone at betfair vip dept to come on here and proof the balance and the fact that i am obviously arbing from the style of my bets.

keep dreaming about unlimited accounts boys. lmao

arbboy

I'm hoping some of you more experienced arbers (johnnyg, Mr Ed etc) might be able to give me a few pointers here; basically the majority of my betting is football which means during the summer I normally watch my commission discount evaporate and I start the new season again on 5% :(

Planning to do a bit of arbing this summer to try and keep my points at roughly the level they are now, can anyone offer a bit of general advice on manually finding arbs, best bookies to look at (I'm thinking probably P1nnacle) and best sports to concentrate on?

quick update guys on the week. easily reached the usual 75k turnover target with the bookies today as is usual on a saturday.

points statement as follows

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Current Discount Rate: 58%
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Date Description Points BP Balance
26-Apr-2008 GB / Wolv 26th Apr / 20:35 To Be Placed 157 134,642
26-Apr-2008 GB / Wolv 26th Apr / 20:35 1m1f Mdn Stks 0 134,485
26-Apr-2008 GB / Wolv 26th Apr / 20:05 To Be Placed 35 134,485

standard week for an arber approaching the 2% mark which will be achieveable in the next week. amazing what you can do even though everyone says its not possible.

heads up dobuters if u get ur head down and put the hours it could be you this time next year.

Hello I have just done an arb on arboy posting something of any use.

Backed no 2/11 at 365

ductched yes 13/2 at arbingbookmakersandsons

2.093% arb

So you backed Twiglet and Kimbolton ew with the bookmakers against the 2/13 shot and layed off on here giving you a free bet for them to place, wow no one has ever thought about that before. Well done on your 192 commission points, you will soon have enough to pay for Sky Sports and you will not need to ask for darts streams when the aforementioned darts is covered on Sky Sports.

I'd like to know how he knows all the other '' big time arbers'' as mentioned in an earlier thread.

how much did 365 lay u at 2/11? struggle to get on with those characters.

silky i needed a stream because i wasnt at home that night for the darts. amazing some of the negativity on this forum. typical uk attitude to successful people.

and why were you so desperate for the NBA to be settled the othe night :^0

dimis why do i have to repeat myself - when i have 20k tied up in an event i want it settled just incase there is another event where i can nick money after the result is in.

what totally amazes me is how many of u remember so much about the posts on this forum weeks/months ago. Maybe if u did a little more work and less pi s sing around on the forum you might become a little more successful and a little less jealous

"do u really think 20k a year traders cant be bought????"

bribing traders to let you get your money on? Don't you think their bosses would see the amounts they were letting you get on and think wtf is this trader doing? An instant sacking, meaning they'd never work in the trading industry again (not likely to get a good reference is he!)
Oh well i guess the trader has a job stacking shelves at tesco's as backup.

[i]DIMIS IREGULAR BOWEL MOVEMENTS 26 Apr 00:32

How do your mates in the raceroom explain repeatedly laying lumpy bets to your accounts, when trading at less on here?? surely their employers would nip it in the bud after the 1st few bets.[/i]



refude 2 lose i asked him the very same question and he avoided it like he has ignored every other sensible question asked to him.

I think we have established arbboy is full of **. My last post on this thread.

i know mate, only proof he's got is some commission points anyone can make that up, like my huge lay in the conkers world championships

good read though -

full time arbers do exist - some do well, all are surviving and none will give away their secrets

so arboy your reasoning / theory is that 'traders' or whateveryou want to brand the people accepting your wagers at the big bookmakers (not counting small offshore books here) totally ignore the types of markets being bet on and only look at the net p+l of an account to determine whether people are arbers, I find this very hard to believe - are you saying for instance I could open up a brand new account at one of the big bookmakers and place 20-30K on a premiership or champ league match that was an arb then if it lost they would lay my next bet for 20K knowing it was an arb and I was an arber - If it won they would close the account. surely the intelligent aproach from the bookmakers point of view would be to keep laying the arber until he is down then close the account ie. running their profits as they know the punter will come back for more and his p+l will fluctuate over time with that book - win/win no? Instead of cutting their losses straight away and not having a chance to take any money back off the punter?

Interested to hear your thoughts...

agree with blake any decent arber would not give away their secrets - there are plenty of people doing it full time, but arboy is right the barriers to entry and potential risks involved keep the numbers down.

I am not an arber but i do know about arbing in betting and i think arbboy has come across as very informed and shrewd.
I have thought about taking up arbing semi full time but i from my experience on arbing at relatively small stakes i concluded it was not a scaleable venture in terms of safely getting more money on but maybe i am wrong.
From a bookmakers point of view a single bet taken from an arber may be a good bet to take depending on which side of the true price the bookmaker is setting his odds but over time an arber will be a losing proposition for any bookmaker so it should be obvious why an arber is not a good customer.
Arbboy, i would be interested to know what size bets you can get laid by a high street bookmaker. I mean to say if you were to ask for 30 k on a certain event it would be my understanding that such a bet would not be taken instantly. They would check just how much out of line they were with price first.

Just to correct something i said previous. In theory it WOULD be possible for high street bookmaker to always be on the right side of an arber supposing their prices were mostly right even if they were best priced and the arber was getting his value almost exclusively on the exchanges.
However, most high street bookmakers are unwilling to take positions for a serious ammount of money on a market in which they are best price even when they have an edge. A trader for a high street bookmaker i would imagine would not have the authority to stand over a price for a six figure sum when they are industry best price and there is an arb in the market meaning someone has their odds wrong and it could be them.

sharp books welcome arbers - arbers even their books.

slow books dislike arbers - meaning the high street guys

Yes James, I agree. An arber will by definition want to bet with the high street bookie going best industry price when they find an arb market. This best price combined with the high ammount of money the arber would want on is where the difficulty lies. Its not that they are against arbers per se - more the fact that they are rick averse and want an even book and will not want to stand a price for a 6 figure sum in an uneven book when at best their margin is very small and at worst their price could be wrong.

blake I can see is going more the way of these books tbh as well, the turnover arb friendly books can attain is huge - hence being able to operate on such a small small margin and still make a decent profit. What's better 5% of 100 or 0.5% of 2000 - everyones a winner.

arboy would be interested to see you points statement for saturday and today to see if you really managed to turn over 100K-200K

arbboy how about showing your whole points statement for Saturday.

Cheers.

i would but it would give too much away regarding my angles of attack. At least now there is a few guys on here who realise i know what i am talking about. I am happy for betfair to come on the thread and confirm my points balance to shut up all the doubters however.

jim there is no way of knowing from the betfair statement how much i turned over with online betting firms anyway. if u think it is a fool proof way to see how turn i have turned over with betting firms u obviously dont understand how the betfair points are allocated.

i never said i turned over 100-200k with betting firms. i am being misquoted all over the place here. i said 50k midweeks and 75k at the weekend.

arboy, of course it is not a foolproof way but if had 20K on one side of a book here, it kind of makes sense that you would have used the correspoding amount depending on the odds to cover the side(s).

arbboy 21 Apr 11:40
turnover probably 50/75k a day midweek and over 100k at the weekends with online bookies


err you did.

If thats what you really turnover then i havent got a problem as that is totally within grasp but you said a " day " above and that to me was laughable.

Take my hat off to you arboy and good luck to you mate with what you do

What is the answer when they tell you that you can only have 100 pound at on your bets cos that stops the lot in the high st shops mate cos thats what they do

Missed out starting price mate cos have had to many pints .100 pound s p only

Hello.

ttt

best place to arb at the moment is belfast laddies and hills have recently moved in local bookies are upset and laying big prices particularly on football i have had quite a successful season provided you shop around its possible to get decent amounts 8-10k on any match there are 4 or 5 local firms to choose from

for the poster asking about arbing

cant be done

After reading the thread title I thought by arbing a full time job you mean't the scenario similar to when Dell Boy got Brendan the Irishman to decorate the pub for Mike.

had 4k on man utd with lads online

man utd draw

and they gubbed my acc.

dont like large bets unless you are a famous footballer.

You dont always need to bet with the bookie going best price to be able to lay it shorter on here. That makes it easier to get on especially with odds-on prices. Great read especially the post by Refuse on p.4 ( dog arb department )

And im talking about arbing ( not trading )

arbboy can u answer me a question i have been arbing for 3 years now. not on the same scale as u but have been making a very decent profit. i have been banned on-line by most bookies some closed my accounts. i open acounts under other names but they closed thies whenthey scaned ip address and relised it was coming from same computer how can i get round this promble

sub , arboy hasnt been on this thread for months. Anyone know if hes still around ? He mentioned somewhere on here that he has techwizard/s to do it for him.

buzzer i see dodig won

the market was correct.

re. the IP address problem - just work out how to get new IP addresses and you will be fine.

those who are successful at arbing generally don't ask many question - their very nature means that they are always looking for new tricks and solutions to problems, meaning that if there is an obstacle in their path they will take it upon themselves to find a way around it.

The ones who ask the questions are the ones who seem to disappear fairly quickly, or only earn enough to supplement an existing income rather than going "full time".

do any of u just take the value price? much easier to do when your limited as u wont have huge sums on
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still gives you good profit (almost) guaranteed week in week out.

FYI. IP addresses are easily hidden and anyway, chances are your ISP gives you a different ip address every time you re-boot your router, (dynamic ip). Unfortunately this wont necessarily help as your PC is likely traced by a MAC address, not the ip. Bit more work involved to spoof a new one of them. And don't forget those cookies lying around on your PC, easy to clear out. Then there are LSO's, local shared objects or flash cookies as they are sometimes called. These are not in your cookie folder so running ccleaner\cookie cleaner wont delete those (use google). Also, Google 'IESnare' for some truly scary reading.

GL. I hope you all hammer those bookies ;-

Iesnare is easy enough to get round. Although somehow ladbrokes managed to close my dogs' account. Must have been the telephone betting that aroused their suspicions.

benny ROBS roy!! 01 Feb 23:44
do any of u just take the value price? much easier to do when your limited as u wont have huge sums on
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still gives you good profit (almost) guaranteed week in week out.

Do you do this yourself?
I very much doubt the 'good profit (almost) guaranteed week in week out' part, because your edge would be tiny right?

I do this for limited accounts - makes the monotony a bit interesting

arbboy 22 Apr 12:06
like i say u have to be a bit 'savvy' nowadays and try to look as much like a mug as possible. its definitely possible to still get on decent amounts on certain arbable events. the quality of traders in the industry has never been lower so looking like a mug definitely helps to keep your accounts open. obviously trying to find arbs where the value is laying on betfair is also a help as you want to keep losing with the firms.


How do you look like a mug, surely if you throw a few 20p yankees in, but mainly do largeish stake arb bets, they're not going to think you're a mug surely.

Lost accounts right left and centre over the years. Onlt this morning Billys bit the dust. They did give me several years though.

best to concentrate on non-UK sites if you want an account life of longer than a few weeks

Pointless trying to look like a mug they know the profile of an arber.

michell , i think arbboy is talking about bets like £25,000 to win £5, 000 on Man U

i did a 4k to 1k on man utd online with lads

and man utd did not win

and they gubbed me.

jonny or anyone else , is arbboy still around on the forum ? Seems like if what he said is true his "relationships " with traders is a big factor.

yes investor in theory it probably should not work so well but despite being limited to 1% with the majority of bookies i still make up to 2k a week just by taking value prices with the likes of stan, lads etc. a lot of my bets for saturday games will be done on the monday or tuesday so im getting early prices looking for errors, also id have 2/3 accounts with some bookies so u can still get a decent amount on

tonight it worked perfectly. £100 on wrexham 8/5 won, max £22 on notts cty 8/1 won, altho lost on 6/4 almaar(went off 2.24) and lost on 13/10 charlton (went off 2.1).

Glad i avoided the odds on mug bets chelsea and celtic who will be backed in reguardless

I have met various linesmakers/owners of various Oz sites and none of them want arbers - they wouldnt be doing their job properly if they had a special relationship with someone who they knew to be sharp.

i wouldn't want to doubt arbboy's figures. he's obviously clued-up, and spot-on about 20k a year traders that couldn't price up a tuna sandwich. 75K a day turnover seems high but if you have a steady stream of top-notch beards it's probably do-able. generally i think arbers are clueless ****s, but it takes skill to know how to arb and remain under the radar. a 1/3 jolly that looks like a mug bet at the time, but if you know it's going to go off 2/7 or even 1/4, there's skill in that.

beating the sp is the name of the game, whether you're arbing it or keeping it, it makes no difference. only problem is, if it isn't high profile you have a hard time getting rid. i could find something at 6/5 that i know fine well is going off evens, but getting a decent bet on here early doors is a waste of space, let alone with the bookies. i can go to asia, but still need to hit 5 or 6 of them. it's all in the beards. tbh i can only assume arbboy has some mighty fine ones. the kinds you could only get if you've worked in the industry and collared some of their high-rolling mugs.

i believe arboy

could be possible if you got high rolling mugs to have the bet for you.

you would therefore require a big network.

say mr x wants 50k on a greyhound at 4/5

he sends all his runners out around england into bookies and they all place bets at the same time.

he wil also advise what price he is willing to take.

it can be done but you need to be a big player with hundreds of footsoldiers and betting sub accounts.

JUST BACK FROM doing a shop arb.

went to first shop where i have been banned in past.

had me bet

get to next shop and price cut

call me paranoid but i can get prices cut quickly.

if you think about this carefully people will go into a bookie to have bets that they have no intention of getting on.

say mr x asks 500 at 10/1 on a horse and is a known face

shop calls trader and trader offers 50@10/1

and now horse is 8/1

more then one way to skin a cat.

im looking for a job as a footsoldier

Question to those who talk about using different details to open accounts. Don't your details have to match your credit/debit card details. Bookies will check your credit card details won't they?How do you get round this problem?

Beards - wtf?

'Sunset Cristo 04 Feb 03:52
Question to those who talk about using different details to open accounts. Don't your details have to match your credit/debit card details. Bookies will check your credit card details won't they?How do you get round this problem?'

there are better ways to move money about than debit (i take it you don't mean credit) cards.

kimochi what is the better way to move money about?