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A friend and I were playing a game of backgammon at £5 per chip won by. The doubling cube applies. Anyway it ended up being £40 a point. The only snag is that our max loss to each other on anything is always £200 - whatever the outcome as the swings in the games we play could be enormous. Also because player A is much better than player B (Player A is a pro) Player A gives Player B 40% of any losses back in every game he wins.
Anyway, Player A (pro) ended up winning by 12 points and so the makeup is £480...60% of this is £288.
Does Player B owe £200 as per the stop loss?
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Does Player B owe £120 which is 60% of £200 as £200 was originally the stop loss for any game.
Thanks
A friend and I were playing a game of backgammon at £5 per chip won by. The doubling cube applies. Anyway it ended up being £40 a point. The only snag is that our max loss to each other on anything is always £200 - whatever the outcome as the swings in the games we play could be enormous. Also because player A is much better than player B (Player A is a pro) Player A gives Player B 40% of any losses back in every game he wins.
Anyway, Player A (pro) ended up winning by 12 points and so the makeup is £480...60% of this is £288.
Does Player B owe £200 as per the stop loss?
or
Does Player B owe £120 which is 60% of £200 as £200 was originally the stop loss for any game.
Thanks
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How much is won/lost when the double is refused?
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£200
Unless it was specifically decided that the poorer player would also have a lower stop loss. |
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We have the same stop loss. We bet on loads of stuff. The £200 stop loss is not specific to backgammon. If he would have won I would have paid hm £200. I won but we are not sure whether the 40% deduction should be applied to the amount before the stop loss (reducing it to £288 so £200) or after meaning £120.
If the double is declined the player declining loses by the current amount times half the number of pieces he has remaining. Its our own crazy variation. |
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On the assumption that the rebate system is made to make the game a level game, then the stop loss should be equally likely to be hit by either of you. Effectively lowering the stop loss to £120 gives you two equalisers for the price of one.
You'll want other opinions than mine before paying, but it seems reasonably clear cut to me tbh. |
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A clearer way to see how unfair it is , if he'd won 8 points (£320) then you'd have owed him £192, no questions asked.
It makes no sense to pay him less for 12 points imo. |
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what was the amount owing before the last game was played?
stop loss of £200 = 5 points you managed to get to 12 points behind, so assuming the pro doubled early last game (perhaps on the first move :D) did you double at some point after that, then get in a mess, he doubles again, and you end up getting tonked for 8 points? if you were more than 5 points behind before the last game, then was the pro not letting you have a bit of a freeroll at him at the end? certainly if he was 4 points up before last game and now you want to cap the amount paid to effectively 3 points, that would be absurd, he could not gain anything playing on |
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Thanks for the replies. We play that if we both roll the same number at the beginning then the dice doubles, this happened twice. and became a £20 a piece game. I doubled to make it £40 to ensure a larger win whe I was slightly ahead when we ended up racing.
This isn't really a backgammon question, as it isn't exactly part of the rules of the game. Its our own handicap system and £/piece gambling system just for the fun of it. I agree with Lori that he had two handicap fo rthe price of one, and the amount owed should be the full £200. But we agreed to abide by the concensus on the gambling forums. |
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if the loser genuinely believes his stop loss was £120 and the winner thinks it was £200 then there has just been a misunderstanding, so why not settle for the average at £160
my hunch is the loser might be trying to bend the rules a little after losing, but to give benefit of doubt, the initial agreement is clearly ambiguous, otherwise you wouldn't need to let others have a say given the amount of betting you do together, compromising in the middle at £160, clearing up the rules so it doesn't happen again next time, and staying good friends seems sensible |
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I arrived at £200 being fair, with similar reasoning to Lori, unless differing stop losses were agreed beforehand.
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The 40% is a handicapping system and the £200 is a stop/loss, work out the handicap and then apply the stop loss. Simplies, you lose the maximum £200 on this ocassion, but as said above clarify the rules before the next game and stay friends, and good luck trying to win it back.
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barretta won, says in his later post. i missed that before, assumed he was arguing his case as loser
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Missed that as well, was working off the opening statement, WD Barreta
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Doesn't alter anything , friend pays £200
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I appreciate the replies. The original post was written by my friend who put it on 2+2, but I thought I would put it here too. We haven't falen out in any way, just trying to find the fairest answer because we didnt stipulate in advance.
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