what works on betfair

So you admit it

You LURVE hosses

hahahahahahahahhahahahaha
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I am fasinated by the fact people make a living from it. Im not on about live feeds and in running trading. I have tried to lay all horses at 1.5 in a race once two get matched at level stakes I profit. Had a staking plan but it was obvious not going to work. I needed more close finishes

I have tried many, many ways to beat the game. And the conclusion is, you need to learn how to beat the game. You need to put a lot of effort into it to get the results you want. The thing that keeps me going is that there is a lot of liquidity in horse racing, even though is down a lot lately. This means potential for a lot of profit once you crack it.

in running's the game

Do you make a living from it brian. Would you care to give me a few pointers. Are you talking about been at the track and having high speed connections or just setting up before the race. Thanks in advance

Glasgow Brian 28 Dec 17:32
how would somebody like me , an idiot , find ideas for different types of strategies ?
not after the holy grail -just a few ideas to look into .
thanks

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Thanks Tiger I actually saw that post. The front runners that are favourites are worth backing and laying just below. If they lead they usually trade shorter so you can lay and tie in a profit.

Back high, lay low.

Chicken What do you mean. Have you a strategy

Look for horses that have been supported and have shortened SLIGHTLY in the market.Don't be too greedy with your lay odds.Use smallest stakes possible until you get a "feel" for it.Good luck.

I appreciate that Tiger. I will try that for a while and see how it goes. Thanks again

I'll put one up for each race at Kempton tonight.See if you pick the same.

My personal answer discovered a couple of years ago was to develop a mathematical strategy with logical reasons why it works and use stats but only to support the theory and not to be dominant or dependant , consequently stop having a personal view on what may or may not happen and not kid yourself you have any edge as they're all factored in anyway and no individual is that good.
Conclusion : forget form study and forming personal opinions and use modern technology trading tools as an alternative.

each to their own of course but the original question of what works on betfair is too restrictive a statement in my view , it's a big industry out there.


good hunting.

court princess back to lay

Ibrox did that

shorter but not short enough for me,on to the nxt

kirsys boy back to lay i/r

Backed 10 at 3.4 layed 11 euro at 3.1. a euro profit minus commission. But seems to be the way to go . Will stay very small until I get a feel for it.

Couldn't find one in the 7.50.
Court Princess had shortened significantly before the "off",leaving little room for manouvre in-running.

Did kirsty boy and was out before the race started. Small profit again but thats fine. I guess its when oone goes wrong you are in trouble but thats the skill I guess

traded short ching ching

not in trouble if you get the staking right m8,little and often,marathon not a sprint and all that nonsense people post

zegna back to lay i/r

Thanks ibrox. How short do you trade eg a horse backed at 3 would you lay at 2.9 or less. How do you chose your selections. Is it via the live shows and as tiger says look for horses that are shortening in price. Which site is best for live shows. Sorry for all the questions.

I use Sportinglife dot comm for the live shows.
Don't do the ones that have shortened by miles,less room for manouvre.
I think Ibrox picks his on the form of the horse.You wont go far wrong following him.

Thanks Tiger. This is excellent info. Thanks to both you and ibrox for taking time to reply

Did Senga and was out again before the race.

thx for kind words tiger,but i am but a novice,used to study form 10yr ago would spend all night studying raceform note book timeform etc,decide on which horse to lump on nxt day,then wake up and find its the 1/2 fav.
the best form students are the bookies they have all the info and not much gets past them.

king of defence back to lay i/r

king of defence must have lost a leg on way down,drifting like a barge,awell more value i suppose

gstreet......

...what works on Betfair........MATHS.

try dutching any market for a return of 50% ......(0.5%in relation to your bank).....

...use a non agressive gradual recovery system to recoup when you occasional hit a loss.

apply to any type of market.

...no charge for this advice....nope.

You been talking to Ivor,Eg ?

egner i understand dutching do you mean pick out the horses you think will win and dutch them. Sorry if this is a stupid question just not sure

not for a whilr tame....does he still post....felt he was a kindred spirit...with his +0.01259 % return for the day !!!!!!!!

do quite alot of dutching myself,usually fav@2nd fav,can be profitable if you get the staking right,which i dont think i have mastered yet,

0.65% was the norm at one time

yes g gstreet...as many as you can reasonably cover ...

doesnt just have to be horses.....Greyhounds (70 markets a day)
US horses (at lest 50 a day) etc etc

also HAYDENS post..........most valid.....yep.

Thanks egner

no problem....good luck.

...although luck not really a factor....just sound maths and avoiding Greed.....yep.

I would love to spend a day getting tuition from a trader. Have so many questions. I usually back football and do ok but would love to capture the horses

diversion to the mean

regression

back to lay i/r every fav today,small stakes just for the crack.

One of the problems wiyh BF is that it constantly evolves and moves on so what works today may not work in 6 months time. Whatever method you try you are up against some very clever people, very clever technology and of course commission.
It always will come down to having an edge and if you've got an edge you dont broadcast it because once you do you no longer have an edge.

i know this system isnt bulet proof but about 2 weeks ago i placed £1000 on betfair woke up about 7 o clock got the racing post went through every race writing the current prices by the horses name. Then come race time went back to the paper and looked at the difference in the market and if something drifted maybe 4 or 5 points i looked at the form of it and if thought it was worth it id lay it for £10 to be honest because im a novice was most races but in the whole week i layed 2 winners and more than doubled my money. I know people my say i was reckless and lucky and i probably was im of the oppinioun that money talks in racing more than it does in any other sport. In my head ive writen off the £1000 that i deposited ive now got £2000 in my acount and what ever i win daily now i withdraw like i say i now its not bullet proof but man im having fun while learning a few leasons any advise would be appreacated.good luck to all thank you

hi iknownothing

did you have a limit on the odds you would lay at.
what made you decide it was worth laying

cheers

Thats sounds good. It def worth a go.

i took a few chances at 1 point i layed at 20 for £10 and my liability was obviously £200 but in the morning it was 8.6 and the horse was unplaced 4 times on the heavy and i doubted it would stay 3 miles witch on the ground looked like 3 and a half miles the horse is still running now so that turned out to be a good investment but it was very riskey.So to answer your question no i dont fear the prices things drift for a reason.I wish you all the best and have a happy and profitable new year.Good luck

Why not post our selections here and continue the thread

i would mate but i trade in almost every race and it would take forever to do.One thing i will say say to you mate is follow it with no money to see how you do and once youve got the confidence then attack. But the most important thing trust yourself and just as important dont lose your head when things go against you because they will a profit is a profit at the end of the day not half way through the reason i say this because last monday after 12 races i was £120 up and i layed a 10/1 winner so id lost £100 of my money and i wanted to start backing to get my money back. So i turned the computer off for half an hour palyed football with my son cleared my head then went again with the same idea and showed a profit of £90 that day and that was my profit i forgot about he £120 half way through the day

Thats excellent advice. I would not be one to chase to be honest. Im working in ten euro stakes at present

How is it going for everyone to-day.

HAYDEN knows his stuff - ave a Happy and Successful year everywon :)

Best wishes to and yours,Ivor :)

Had a good day. Made seven points to level stakes. Altough was lucky as i would have lost five in the last at lingfield. Had layed the horse in second who nearly got up. Laying Mr. Thriller also helped. Anyway happy new year to everyone

where is this hayden thred plz