Two lays today

Bolton

Sri Lanka

3/1

5/2

B-)

Chris Bolton 300 to one .
The other bet 250 to one . you need em both beat .. if they both get beat you win £200.. any one of em win you lose £50 or £100... if both win you lose £450 .. not a good bet imo .

if they both win make that you lose £550 ......

All about picking the winners though.

Sri Lanka already out to 7/2 :)

so you lose more .....

Chris its all about the odds .. winner take care of them selfs

Heres my odds 12.30 Causeway King about 7/4 ... is a lay
1.05 On Borrowed Wings about 7/4 .. is a lay .. why both have Penalties and it very hard to win with a penalty ... at the odds no damage done ... lets see zip on .

Causeway King could not beat the penalty .. ran well not good enough .

To be fair , he would not have beat the winner at level weights .......

Sorry zip, where did you see a pen for on borrowed wings? It ran 2nd off the same weight last time out...

Kefo ...... yes it did but it carried 2 pens carried 11 .5 and got beat by Candy Creek 10.5 the 2/5 fav ..... they found a race for the horse with only one pen . and it flew in . good luck to them .. thats zip lays over for today 4 backs to follow ...... win lose or draw ITs Christmas .......

First back 2.00 Peponi........ sorry about the price ...... but a winners a winner .

Zipper, I like the way you try to help people on here. Good on you mate.

chris_rogers30 21 Dec 11:55


All about picking the winners though.

Sri Lanka already out to 7/2




zipper 21 Dec 11:56


so you lose more .....



Err not if you layed the 5/2 ?:)

If anything, Peponi is a lay, but the race is a skip in my book.

GL anyway

Celtic Sovereign ........ last to first at 20/1 beats my tip Peponi .. nowt you can do about that ........ roll on as they say ...

Zipper, you are a bookie right?

Keyfo ........ back it or lay it at 6/5 you win nowt or lose nowt . its like standing still ...... but we got two meetings both very poor .. and we need the turnover ......

Dave ......... Was a bookie .. sit at home and play the ponies on here ,,,,,, never bet on any other sport ..

In that case, and as you do seem quite helpful. How would I best set about learning about horse racing properly. Are there any books on the subject you could recommend?

DaveEdwards 21 Dec 14:15
In that case, and as you do seem quite helpful. How would I best set about learning about horse racing properly. Are there any books on the subject you could recommend?

it takes years of watching tp get the drift...nothing will be gained from books

But horse racing must be open to some sort of analysis so I'd have thought something could give me some pointers maybe??

Dave ........ Warrackhunt advice is the Best advice you will get .. there aint no short cuts ... sorry .

OK thanks all

Bet two 2.40 Cesium about 7/2 .

thx Zipper

Well that was close But Cesium got home ........

Dave your welcome ...... Happy Christmas . the next 2 should be a walk in the park .... should be but its horse racing .. zip will be on win lose or draw ... i never put any tips up on here ...... without my cash riding on the outcome .... honest .

Bet 3 Sircozy Kempton

Sircozy beaten two cozy noses .....

It wasn't to be. I've seen posts by you before and you definitely appear genuine to me.

Lets hope the next bet is as honest as zip .... 4.05 Seek the Fair Land .

I've put the balance left from

Cesium on this, so no harm done here whatever happens.

Seek the fair land beaten a sh head ... but he got beat no choice now zip will play the lucky last two . 4.35 and 5.05. ........ why ive been here all day won nowt lost nowt ..

4.35 Kingsgate Castle 5/1 is value I make this a 11/4 shot . zip on

No aftertime here .. do your own prices take any horse you make it a say a 4/1 shot and its 6/1 well back the nag the other way you make it a 4/1 shot and it 9/4 well lay the horse ..... its all opinions

Go on. I'll join you. Dogs is my thing and I'll go with your superior knowledge here

It is making a tissue for the horses where I wouldn't have a clue where to start

Dave in that race we got the value kingsgate castle left his run late and just got beat ..... but we got the value . if you stay with the value you cannot get beat long term ...... i know some smart arses will come on saying you cannot eat value... very true . but my bank manager dont wont to know ........ he does profit and loss . and the last time he spoke to me he seemed very happy .

here one 5.05 Cool Sands about 6/1 on here i make it a 3/1 shot zip on . we got the value .

I'm on with you Zip.

I don't do to bad on here, but I do have certain areas where I can't do much. I've broken even on football and horses, but dogs I'm in profit. Building bank up steadily.

Dave our tips were all second ..... You do the dogs In 1990 I was Top Dog in the Mirror ....... Manchester White City .. Belle Vue ... Salford ... them were the days ..... Do you remember Greyform ...... in every bookies in the land .

That was just before my time. Wondered if you were from my hometown when you used the word nowt earlier! Don't live there anymore.

You do dogs now then or just horses? Personally I find the dogs so much easier.

Informative thread Zipper,enjoyed the read after work.
Hope this is around over the Xmas break.

Dave ..... I was born and breed in the North ( Manchester ).. where we call a Spade a Spade ........ we aint every bodies cup of tea .. but thats their hard luck .

Dave ofcourse the dogs are easy ....... why cause they are only six of em in each race..... and three of em are making up the numbers

Keep an eye out for T3 7:27 Romford, Lord Bonville. (Just for fun now). Not mentioned in the top 3 by the Post.

Meeting abandoned

Dave zip dont play the dogs any more .. but just took a look at this 7.27 Romford ....... Whats wrong with the 2 ** Can You Eve It ???

2 not guaranteed to get a clear run, the 3 would have been expected to lead and Romford favours fast trappers. Also 3 quickest dog. It would have been unlikely that anything could have impeded it, Granted it is a bit of a dodge pot when hitting trouble. Would have expected it to win.

I make it 3 lengths clear of the field. Still, we'll never know! Got myself a night off now

zipper 21 Dec 17:18
Dave our tips were all second ..
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CESIUM won zip...............................................so a bit puzzled why you posted the above!


2.40 Full Result
1st 10 Cesium (FR) 5-2 F
2nd 8 Rince Donn (IRE) 25-1
3rd 5 Roussea (IRE) 8-1

Also why are you putting forward races that are after 4.00 pm? You have stated often enough that you don't bet after 4.00 PM ...ish!

CESIUM was very likely to win.........................................so a wee bit surprised you indicated it was a LAY in win market.........................

The Welsh trainers know the business ....and they did that at FL.


The horse had son many points in its favour ....and odds were value ...in that IF it finished the race it was likely to WIN.......................

The 3rd horse was also "value " to PLACE ONLY.........................it was a relatively "simple" race ..........................and the lay selection you made was a BAD LAY IMO......however, as we all know it is all about opinions.................and you were well wrong on that lay!

Sorry zip for being a wee bit accurate ..................................we all get it wrong OFTEN...................but CESIUM was a clear BACK IMO.........the thing that got me to post , other than the WEE bit drink inside meeeeeeeeeeeeee, was you advising on races AFTER 4.00 pm................................


If you actually AVOID betting on such races ...why are you putting forward opinion on such races after the time your nurse arrives ???????

You clearly know a huge amount about racing .........and I enjoy most of your posts......but you appear to gone against what you actually believe is "sensible" ( AVOID races after 4.00 pm !)

Still good to see you STIMULATING ( some up here in SCOTLAND might think you were MERD steering!) the GB F................as there is USUALLY some glimmer of "sense" in what you post..........................

May your Christmas bets/dreams be good ones.....and hope you have a healthy Christmas and New Year ...........has your nurse stopped working for holiday period allowing you to pontificate selections AFTER 4.00 pm?????? ]:)

GL with bets and life.....

DFCIRONMAN, mate the advice was to back this horse. The two lays of the day had already taken place. Have to say I found Zipper to be quite helpful yesterday.

Dfcironman .. heres the short cut yesterday only 2 meeting so too get the turnover I need .... I have to play after 4.00 pm ....... take today one meeting zip will play all 7 races . On the flat most days there are 3 or 4 meetings thats when i can get the turnover before 4.00 pm ... hope that helps . Happy Christmas to all

By the way what are you doing up at 2.28 . Cant you sleep .....i

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