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Report Lori November 21, 2009 4:30 PM GMT
As long as you don't mind betting under a fiver they're great.
Report toworkornot November 21, 2009 4:31 PM GMT
Are they sound, i have a few quid in my account!
Report Lori November 21, 2009 4:33 PM GMT
Yeah, they'll pay
Report Eldrick November 21, 2009 4:41 PM GMT
downgraded from A to C on SBR recently i believe
Report Eldrick November 21, 2009 4:44 PM GMT
bet365 changes winning wager to losing wager; costs player $18,000
A player wrote SBR complaining about an in-game tennis bet placed at bet365 (SBR rating C). The player states that on July 2nd he risked $18,000 at 1.14 odds on Andreas Beck in the third set. The player provided a screen shot showing the original wager. When Andreas Beck won the match, the player found his wager was changed to a bet on the losing opponent, Dominick Meffert. The players wager was then graded as an $18,000 loser, instead of a $2,052 winner. bet365 had no comment.
In the last year bet365 has altered player's wagers in live betting, changing spreads they deemed to have been offered erroneously to "correct" market odds after the event. This essentially gave players wagers they did not place and replaced winning bets with losers. bet365 does not list a policy that suggests they may alter in-game wagers. Players should avoid in-game wagering at bet365. bet365 has stated that this action is taken with professional traders who are aware of the market and the line being incorrect.
Report Eldrick November 21, 2009 4:44 PM GMT
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sbr/bet365/
Report Eldrick November 21, 2009 4:48 PM GMT
so if you know what you are doing, then they will act like total crooks towards you, is what that last bit says to me

businesses should be closed down for doing this, no question, it is completely illegal behaviour
Report Ted Brogan November 21, 2009 5:00 PM GMT
Update 8.18.2009: After reviewing additional information about the player's claim, SBR has found that the player has not supplied any credible evidence that bet365 has altered his wager. This dispute has been closed.
Report frames November 21, 2009 5:00 PM GMT
Are they saying he had 18k on Meffert at 9/2 ( or whatever it was ) Eldrick ?
Report Eldrick November 21, 2009 5:12 PM GMT
dont know the details frames, and 365 have refused to comment by the looks

IF the complainant is not trying it on then it seems that you never want to be playing large in running there

and i have seen plenty of books change bets after they were taken, antepost they seem to get oh so forgetful about place terms and the like
Report Wanchai Lad November 21, 2009 5:14 PM GMT
**
Report Wanchai Lad November 21, 2009 5:14 PM GMT
s c u m
Report Eldrick November 21, 2009 5:14 PM GMT
my hunch is he got a whacking great arb on (perhaps their interface froze for a minute and the price on here was 1.03 by the time the bet got through) and they decided to fk him over by changing the bet afterwards
Report frames November 21, 2009 5:16 PM GMT
Thanks.Bunch of charmers.
Report Ted Brogan November 21, 2009 5:19 PM GMT

Eldrick 21 Nov 18:12
dont know the details frames, and 365 have refused to comment by the looks

IF the complainant is not trying it on then it seems that you never want to be playing large in running there

and i have seen plenty of books change bets after they were taken, antepost they seem to get oh so forgetful about place terms and the like


365 have commented. Read above the complaint. The guy was trying it on:

Update 8.13.2009: bet365 has responded to SBR stating that this player's wager was not changed. bet365 has provided evidence on its behalf suggesting the player has doctored the image to support his claim. bet365 has also agreed to revisit confirmed cases of altered in-game betting. SBR will report on the result of bet365 reviewing these bets and will reevaluate bet365's rating at that time.

Update 8.18.2009: After reviewing additional information about the player's claim, SBR has found that the player has not supplied any credible evidence that bet365 has altered his wager. This dispute has been closed. SBR is currently speaking with bet365 management about live betting disputes where wagers were altered by the house after it was final.
Report Eldrick November 21, 2009 5:27 PM GMT
i would love to know what evidence bet365 supplied to suggest he doctored it

surely you'd take the customer to court for attempted fraud if you could prove he was at it? hell of a lot of money to be trynig to squeeze them for

so i honestly don't know who i believe on that case. but i would absolutely never be trying to have a bookie over in running for that sort of cash, asking for big trouble and i don't personally trust b365 an inch
Report Eldrick November 21, 2009 5:28 PM GMT
but if i were a betting man, i would make it 1/2 b365 were at it
Report Ted Brogan November 21, 2009 5:30 PM GMT
I'd be more interested in seeing the customer's evidence. I have never had any problems with 365 myself and have never heard of any bookie changing the participant completely. I have suspected Paddy's of doing this once until I realised it was my mistake and I'd clicked on the the wrong participant box. I'd suggest this is more likely.
Report Eldrick November 21, 2009 5:33 PM GMT
you are saying it's more likely that b365 accepted $18k on a 9/2 shot?

i can't tell what really happened here, so me making odds about which party was at it is all total guesswork really
Report Ted Brogan November 21, 2009 5:38 PM GMT
I'm suggesting it is more likely that he placed a $180 or $1800 bet and backed the underdog at 9/2 by mistake and so thought he'd try it on with the help of photoshop
Report Eldrick November 21, 2009 5:40 PM GMT
ok thats something i hadnt considered, i guess it might be clear from bank records if there was enough funds moved about for an $18k bet or not
Report Ted Brogan November 21, 2009 5:44 PM GMT
Indeed. SBR have closed the dispute now so they must be convinced he was on the fiddle.
Report pidgin November 22, 2009 3:29 PM GMT
about one month ago I had a similar problem with B365.
It just so happened when I was on a great winning streak with them.
I was up £5800 on them in two weeks from a deposit of £200.
I withdrew £2800 and had £500 on a bet of first goal after 27th minute in a certain game.
The price was Evens.
The bet won and when I viewed my account it had been altered to before 27th minute.
I agured for two days with them but to no avail.

With all bookmaker accounts I now place a bet and go straight into the account section and print a copy of the bet, just to keep on top of the **s.

I advise others to do the same as we never have a leg to stand on in a dispute.
Report GASHWAN November 22, 2009 3:59 PM GMT
best firm out there for football betting imo.
Report 1.01 Layer November 22, 2009 4:53 PM GMT
Never had a problem withdrawing or getting up to £300 on (largest I've tried).

I like their extensive in play book on minority sports and I often use their live streaming to bet in play on bf.
Report TheGrumbler November 23, 2009 5:48 PM GMT
Lol SBR?
I can't believe any of you take these seriously?

Apparently, "Legends" Sportbook, Licensed in Panama (according to them, one of the most regulated jurisdictions in the world!!)
are A+.

"One of the top 1% of bookmakers"

Purleeeze.
Report 1.01 Layer November 24, 2009 1:09 PM GMT
Does SBR stand for "site begging referrals"?
Report Lori November 24, 2009 1:11 PM GMT
What's wrong with SBR?

Probably the best site out there, and yeah Legendz is one of the top books, whats up with that?
Report dambuster November 24, 2009 1:13 PM GMT
I read on here somewhere that they are bang in trouble, and its all caused by there inept traders
Report Lori November 24, 2009 1:15 PM GMT
In fact of their A+ list I have accounts at 6 and only one has ever restricted me. I have 5 accounts with uk highstreet bookies and all 5 have restricted me, despite my winnings in the uk being far lower.
Report Eldrick November 24, 2009 1:24 PM GMT
i find sbr is quite USA-facing so not really appropriate for my needs but i have had interaction with the guy who fights with bookies on behalf of punters in disputes, and i think they are exceptionally good

i presume the grumbler has extensive experience using panamanian bookies which makes him qualified to judge? or is he just lumping panama together with countries which have been shown to have little or no regulation, like an ignorant person might do?
Report TheGrumbler November 24, 2009 4:48 PM GMT
I love the idea of SBR, but I find the principle of a self proclaimed authority of the entire internet gaming industry somewhat arrogant and open to corruption.

I'm in no way saying this occurs at SBR, but from experience with similar companies/sites, it seems rather prevalent.

Obviously, the service of highlighting rogue sites is an important one, but I do think that it should be administered by a more accountable authority.

I'm surprised to see that you associate the lack of limiting stake sizes with an A+ rating..

And yes, I am somewhat experienced with the panamanian regulatory body. I'm suspicious that online companies facing away from panama are completely tax exempt and infact, provide a great deal of encouragement for companies to go there.
Report Thin and Crispy November 24, 2009 5:01 PM GMT
How odd people concerned about the financial well being of 365. As I've found them to be the most efficient at closing accounts Im surprised that anyone would have enough money in their account to be bothered about losing it.
Report Fairfield Grand November 24, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
love em or hate em, they are probably doing the best of all the UK books - you've only got to look at the Rich Lists to see that....

SBR have their uses but they also tend to take punters word at face value until proved otherwise - and as the forum often proves, punters tell whoppers sometimes.
Report gresty241 November 24, 2009 8:19 PM GMT
you won't have to avoid 365 after a few wagers as they'll avoid you
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