I thought that I might spam the forum with a special offer on testesterone pills but I can see that it is here in abundance so I won't bother. Hey ho, I am off to find a flower arranging forum.

explain how i am not providing liquidity feck? if im putting up 2.02 for £500 on say hendry in a particualr frame and that is best avaialble price and that gets taken, i then proceed asuming i get a chance to, by laying the other player at maybe 1.4 later on. i have now traded my original bet, but ive provided plenty of liquidity. im not getting defensive, im just a bit confused on what the purposes of an exchange are if u arent gonna lay off winning positions to get an all round green book. some people on here seem to get too technical i think, for me its all about striking a bet and then laying off at price i think is right to guarantee profit. of course u dont get everything right, but as long as u get more right than wrong thats all that matters.

betfairy, let's say that the degree of liquidity a player contributes is proportional to the commission his presence generates such that if it could be demonstrated a player's absence would not have reduced betfair's commission then that player contributed no liquidity.

callataxi, that reply was not directed at you. Anyone who places a bet because they think it's value and close it out later is imo supplying liquidity. I take it a hidden queue would not wipe you out?

not sure whart u mean by hidden queue m8? im also not sure what u would define me as then? i assumed i am a trader as i look to lay 2 players in a particular match at odds on if i can and repeat it as often as i can if plenty of swings.

Should read 5.44 not 4.44.

It already happens on betfair GOM. The shopkeeper reprices every item after you tell him what you want.

my bets are always based on what i think they should be, however if i make a player in running to be about 3.0 and the best anyone is offering is say 2.2 then of course i will try and put up say 2.3 and see if i can get any takers b4 offering my max price. then it often becomes a series of people jumping each other until u say reach 3.0 where i wouldnt go any higher. but in any low liquidity mkts where i may be only one pricing up im very happy to live and die by my own prices and im not putting up silly prices, im offering fair prices which have a reasonable chance of getting taken.

not really m8, cue jumping is all part of the experience these days!! but everyone has their own different take on what price a player represents in running, especially something as random as a darts leg or frame of snooker. i play on literally every match played day or night, so doubt many others can last that long!!

secret is my total obsession with sport and my love of numbers/odds. people talk of it being a lonely life being full time on here. i absolutely love it, i still play tennis most mornings and have my social time down the gym where i play and know most people and then im back for the afternoon and evening sportfest, what could be better!! i feel a lot of people just enjoy the gambling but have no enjoyment for the sport they are betting on. id watch the sports i bet on even if i had no money riding on them. yes i do have an understanding wife ( to be) , who lets me crack on with it. i probably only have 35 weeks out of 52 where i bet , so that gives me around 4 months a yr that i can do other things.

i to trade in a simlilar way to callattaxi,i am sure at times we jump each other on certain sports,i suspect it may happen a lot on the frame betting at snooker,but competition makes for fairer prices for all.i cannot understand how people think that we do not provide liquidity at times there would be nothing in some markets especially the less popular sports if we did not make markets for them.

I earlier said "I'd say any trader that couldn't trade if the queue was hidden would be unlikely to be adding any liquidity". I don't think that suggests that market makers, using their own opinion on odds, don't supply liquidity.

I'm not against people closing out bets, I just think betfair give out too much market information. This allows opinionless parasites to act as middlemen between backers and layers. These middlemen contribute nothing in terms of liquidity or commission yet they're responsible for the vast bulk of requests that the betfair server processes. If betfair sold tickets for events, most tickets would be bought off touts.

I haven't a clue what you mean betfairy. In what way would there not be a current market price using my interface?

feck can you explain how your interface looks like and works?

thanks.

I think current interface is good and shows what the market opinion is. It helps a backer to bet. The price can go up or down based on market supply and demand at one non changing position. Hiding ques means what?

decent liquidity as now.

lol slayer. Feck, I reckon if betfair took away our beloved transparency the purple place would become market leader within months.

some good posts... nonetheless after having read and re read countless threads, ebooks, systems, tipsters, etc. and learning A LOT.... I still find myself losing my bank. Most frustrating thing is watching it grow slowly and steadily, thinking this is it, i got it right, im on track etc., and then suddenly and easily blow it in 1 or 2 bets. Congrats to all those who do profit, i still have some hope left by reading some pple here. GL

In the final analysis a horse race is always won, tennis and cricket matches are always won and lost, and there can only be three possible outcomes in a football match.

bang on!

Feck, I reckon if betfair took away our beloved transparency the purple place would become market leader within months.

Whose beloved transparency is it Fred? Anyone that matters?

Just some more words on the Discipline issue:

Lets have a look in the Sporting Braga Game yesterday..... the early goal perfectly matched my "standard criteria" (maybe i will do an E Book on those sometime that goes over the table for lousy 100 $ :) )

But the game itself was a perfect example in terms of "Discipline failure" ..... before entering the game i was some % in Profit from previous betting,.... i wanted more so i took the first wrongful risk..... which was entering with a too big inital stake.

After the first goal i was in Profit even more..... it was time to box it and quit..... as the odds on the market went out of sync with the normal Probabilitys i made my second bad call.... staying in against the market..... ultimately that decision busted my winnings......

When i think about it afterwards it was once more the lack of discipline and the will to make unrealistic daily Profit.......

I cant stress it enough,...... but I KNOW i will do something similar in the future :)........

The important conclusion is the following:

Doing stuff like that can be considered normal weakness,... calculate it and dont do it with bank money,..... maybe one learns it as time goes by.......