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Report chicken shack November 1, 2009 12:16 AM GMT
yes,praying on those who are looking for a angle,you never see when the bankesters making fortunes telling you the inside.anyone selling tips is the** big time.learning to make money is alosing experince.
Report treble November 1, 2009 12:28 AM GMT
yes,praying on those who are looking for a angle,you never see when the bankesters making fortunes telling you the inside

Sorry, but I dont quite understand this sentence.
Report Art Decko November 1, 2009 12:52 AM GMT
nor does anybody else imo
Report I'veGotTheTrots November 1, 2009 12:59 AM GMT
definitely is a lot of conmen out there. among services to definitely avoid are any tipping services claiming to have a 'cert' for a race or claiming they know what will win a particular race, any claiming to have unbelievably long and highly profitable winning runs, any that talk about plots etc lined up, any that talk about having discovered a massively profitable winning system. there are genuine tipping services, i would name steve lewis hamilton as one, he has been operating his service since the 90's and is as honest as they come. anyone following his advice will make a long term profit.
Report quietgenius November 1, 2009 1:04 AM GMT
Thanks Steve
Report know all November 1, 2009 8:23 AM GMT
most punters fail when they join tipsters, most punters would fail no matter how good the service was, its not about are tipsters service rubbish, its about punters are rubbish following services, many good services out there but you wont get to hear about them on forums, the forums are full of consistent losers, so why anyone would want winning advice from a forum full of losers i dont know, any forum frequented by punters is not the place to find out who is good or bad, harsh but true
Report hallym November 1, 2009 8:31 AM GMT
tipsters steve lewis hamilton 2321 bets 703 winners profit to £10 stake -£993.85.
longshots 1158 bets 375 winners profit to£10 stake £8855 profit.
Report know all November 1, 2009 8:40 AM GMT
typical reply when the tipster gives him those figures above "i didnt back the longshots"
Report Aunty Post November 1, 2009 9:01 AM GMT
yes,praying on those who are looking for a angle,you never see when the bankesters making fortunes telling you the inside.anyone selling tips is the **** big time.learning to make money is alosing experince.

This was translated from Dutch!

It makes sense if you see it in it's original form!

ja, biddend op zij die een hoek zoeken, ziet u nooit wanneer bankesters die fortuinen maken die u vertellen de verkopende uiteinden inside.anyone **** grote time.learning is om geld te maken alosing experince.
Report hallym November 1, 2009 9:14 AM GMT
the above figures are from the relayline?
Report duncan idaho November 1, 2009 10:10 AM GMT
know all= touchy tipster
Report On The Contrary November 1, 2009 1:29 PM GMT
know all 01 Nov 09:23


most punters fail when they join tipsters, most punters would fail no matter how good the service was, its not about are tipsters service rubbish, its about punters are rubbish following services, many good services out there but you wont get to hear about them on forums, the forums are full of consistent losers, so why anyone would want winning advice from a forum full of losers i dont know, any forum frequented by punters is not the place to find out who is good or bad, harsh but true

.. absolutely spot on .... glad to see a different angle on the tipster debate other than 'all are con artists' etc etc

I have been with the same 2 horse race tipping services for over 15 yrs each ..pay both of em over a grand and a half each a year ... made a level stake profit every year ... had amazing winning runs ... horrendous losing ones as well

Still winning tho
Report know all November 1, 2009 1:32 PM GMT
tell the truth and i get stick, says it all
Report johhnyg November 1, 2009 1:41 PM GMT
know all,
there is no place for the truth in the fantasy land some of these gamblers live in. It is called "distortion".
Report johhnyg November 1, 2009 1:45 PM GMT
i was a member of a long term winning service in the 90's. what a genuine bloke he was, anyhow he told me once over the phone that even when he had his most profitable months, there were always loads dropping out and not re-subscribing.
you don't need to be a genius to work out why, lol.
Report know all November 1, 2009 1:48 PM GMT
another little gem, if the punter win with the tipsters selections they then think its easy and proceed to use the money they have just won on there own bets and end up losing. then you get that tipster is rubbish i didnt make any money, lol
Report johhnyg November 1, 2009 2:02 PM GMT
you are right there, don't get me wrong, i am not pretending to be something i am not, i like to pick out my own horses as well occasionally. But why would you join a tipping service, paying a few hundred a month, (one month i won over 8k) and then do your b o l l o c k s in and you can't even afford next months subscription. I hope some of them gave up the game for good after that.
Report grumpy69 November 1, 2009 2:31 PM GMT
what about Brimardon?
Report On The Contrary November 1, 2009 2:33 PM GMT
grumpy69 01 Nov 15:31


what about Brimardon?

pls dave ur money ..give it to charity or something
Report u want some November 1, 2009 2:36 PM GMT
My tipping serive will be good once ive got it going.
Report johhnyg November 1, 2009 2:46 PM GMT
you seem like a shrewd operator "you want some" i would be interested in a subscription.
Report sweetchildofmine November 1, 2009 4:54 PM GMT
i would have thought subscribing to a ''blue chip'' respected tipster is more important than just the winners they achieve...surely by reputation alone, all or most of the tips will shorten up dramatically in the market, giving you a chance to green up whatever the outcome
Report Mudflaps November 1, 2009 6:18 PM GMT
I have been with a racing service since March this year and I am well in profit to level stakes. Plenty of rubbish about, but there are a couple of sites that help sort out the decent ones by proofing results so there's no excuse for getting involved with the rip-off merchants.

I'm just int he process of signing up with another couple that have been performing well long term and increasing stakes next month on the basis that my backing my own ratings just isn't good enough after commission. Know when you're beat and pay someone better to help is my theory. I even started a blog the other day to diarise how it all goes.
Report sup4w115 November 1, 2009 6:28 PM GMT
Put your blog up please Mudflaps ...... i am a collector :)
Report Mudflaps November 1, 2009 6:39 PM GMT
http://bfal.blogspot.com/

There you go buddy.
Report sup4w115 November 1, 2009 6:41 PM GMT
Thankyou :)
Report lippy November 1, 2009 11:27 PM GMT
Nice blog , problem is that unless you name the services or post your bets in advance then whats the point? Readers will have no idea if your being truthful.

For all we know you could run the secret betting club
Report artie November 2, 2009 1:48 AM GMT
Unless you name the services, what's the point ? The blog is no help to anyone.
Report Compound Magic November 2, 2009 2:03 AM GMT
Some tipster are very good at tipping winners, however unless they tell you
what price it should be and for you to only bet at above that price the service is
of no value. No good a tipster who can tip 1 winner in every 3 bets if the price is below
3.00
Report lippy November 2, 2009 5:09 AM GMT
Yes thats another problem , even the ones with verified good results are not necessarily accurate.
If you can only get a tenner on at the advertised price by being in the door at 10am then realistically that price is not accurate
Report Mudflaps November 2, 2009 6:57 AM GMT
lippy 02 Nov 02:27
Nice blog , problem is that unless you name the services or post your bets in advance then whats the point? Readers will have no idea if your being truthful.
For all we know you could run the secret betting club

artie 02 Nov 04:48
Unless you name the services, what's the point ? The blog is no help to anyone.


Firstly guys I don't run the secret betting club - that's how I found the services and I subscribed to them to access the relevant info. I'm not going to put the bets up in advance as it's against the terms and conditions of the services to do that. Most betting blogs that I've seen are written after the event and I'm happy to do that with a screenshot of my P&L every day/few days. If people don't believe it then I don't mind. The blog is more about my personal experiences rather than helping anyone. Maybe once I am up and running next month I'll name the services.
Report subzero999 November 2, 2009 12:58 PM GMT
there are some good free tipsters on www.online-betting-guide.co.uk/?tx105334 quite a lot show profit very and there is free cash to be won
Report cardiffboyo November 2, 2009 1:40 PM GMT
You should try the doctor
Report BERLINGTONBERTIE November 2, 2009 3:46 PM GMT
Where can i find the `longshots`?
Report kenilworth November 2, 2009 4:27 PM GMT
In answer to the first post, I think probably not, but those who may be successful, it may be hard to get on at the price(s) suggested.
Report julesmin1 November 2, 2009 6:47 PM GMT
http://www.racing-index.com/tipsters/

All the above tipsters are quoted to Betfair SP level stakes. As I'm using the top services, I can verify the results are as quoted.
Report lippy November 2, 2009 11:53 PM GMT
Hows Nick Mordin these days?

Remember following his tipping line in 1991 when it started , was full of good ideas
Report hallym November 3, 2009 5:52 AM GMT
nick mordin since jan 2000-oct2009 6864 bets 1244 winners
profit-£9,839.51 to£10 stake.
mudflaps are you using relayline sevices.
Report know all November 3, 2009 7:53 AM GMT
if you are using the top services on any kind of relay lines you need to know there is usually a connection or profit share
Report Triggster November 3, 2009 8:06 AM GMT
Priceform is pretty good
Report Treble_Underscore November 3, 2009 9:46 AM GMT
KEN is spot on in what he says.
Report Mudflaps November 3, 2009 10:38 AM GMT
hallym 03 Nov 08:52

nick mordin since jan 2000-oct2009 6864 bets 1244 winners
profit-£9,839.51 to£10 stake.
mudflaps are you using relayline sevices.

No hallym, all are e-mail services (one does sms but I don't need that feature). I don't have any faith in any phone services at all - none are profitable according to the numbers.
Report julesmin1 November 3, 2009 7:19 PM GMT
No they are not all rubbish, but you have to have a credible proofing service, an ability to see level stakes performance, and results to bookmakers' SP and/or Betfair SP in my opinion. As I say the racing index charts are helpful...
http://www.racing-index.com/tipsters/
Even so, an ability to decipher what is statistically significant is important in deciding which service to go for, as well as the discipline to stick with it. I think most folks go wrong in thinking you can earn a living from a small betting bank. You can't. The top services will double a bank in a year. That's better than traditional investing, but anyone giving up the day job betting only 100 quid a day is living in cloud cookoo land.
Report kenilworth November 3, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
It's not about tipping winners, anyone can tip winners, it's the prices you take. The little bit I know about tipsters who show a profit is that they calculate their account at recommended prices, not sp. A massive difference.
Report bum November 3, 2009 9:27 PM GMT
martin blakey racing
Report know all November 3, 2009 9:36 PM GMT
taken from a website , tipsters recieve more complaints when having a good winning year then when they have a bad one, work that one out
Report chicken shack November 3, 2009 11:04 PM GMT
anyone who needs atipster or the likes of betbroker,sorry gone is a loser.
Report julesmin1 November 4, 2009 4:58 AM GMT
Agree Kenilworth. There's no point in following a tipster that works to recommended prices. But you have to respect some of the top tipsters on Racing index http://www.racing-index.com/tipsters/ that put out tips early morning, not knowing which way the market will shape up, and still show a consistent profit at level stakes to Betfair SP.
Report twinwin November 4, 2009 5:17 AM GMT
The top laying service on Racing Index actually recommends betting at Betfair SP. Seems to be catching on.
Report mitchell downie November 4, 2009 10:57 AM GMT
Barley Mow are apparently superb, trouble is the doors are always shut
Report DIRK DIGGLER November 4, 2009 12:56 PM GMT
and subs are lumpy
Report know all November 4, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
always worried when you cant find a telephone number or address when you try to find out who runs this index thingy, one big question how does the website make its money, when you know that then it might all become a bit clearer
Report twinwin November 4, 2009 4:46 PM GMT
I think Racing Index makes its money from advertising. Loads of services & loads of subscribers means plenty of traffic from potential punters. As far as i know, and i do know, Racing Index is pukka..what you see is how it is.
Report know all November 4, 2009 5:20 PM GMT
if you have a look at the advertising i dont think thats the case, and if it is, its peanuts so how do they really make money or are they doing it for the good of tipsters
Report know all November 4, 2009 5:26 PM GMT
if its pukka why would you not have a telephone number or address, if you have nothing to hide then its no problem, its illegal to not put the trading details of the ltd company on the website
Report artie November 5, 2009 10:05 AM GMT
"There's no point in following a tipster that works to recommended prices". Why not ? Surely only mugs bet at SP - the worst possible price on a horse.
Report ooO{Alpha Centauri}Ooo November 5, 2009 10:52 AM GMT
Tipsters sell their tips because

a) They have a back fitted system
b) They have little confidence in their picks
c) They're out and out cr00ks, (from Rochdale Road?)
d) They're ego maniacs who have got lucky in the past (eg HR)

Perm any of the above, there are no other reasons

If you could make it pay you would back them with everything you've got and keep them to yourself.

Why sell tips and have to pay tax on the income when you can smash into them tax free?
Report artie November 5, 2009 11:30 AM GMT
"Tipsters sell their tips because........". Rubbish. Successful tipsters usually sell their tips because they can't get bets on at the prices they want because of closed accounts etc.Before you ask, I am not a tipster but I could name a few that are profitable year after year.
Report topkat November 5, 2009 11:42 AM GMT
Go ahead please name them.

But if I subscribe to one of them and then back their selections, won't the bookies close my account too?

I suppose I could still go on BF.

But couldn't the tipsters too?

So why do they need to sell their tips?!
Report topkat November 5, 2009 11:43 AM GMT
If you ran a really successful tipping service, do you think you would be tempted every once in a while to tip a rank no hoper with a view to laying it on BF?

You might even bung the jockey a few quid not to try over-hard.
Report the man November 5, 2009 11:44 AM GMT
Tipsters sell their tips because

a) They have a back fitted system
b) They have little confidence in their picks
c) They're out and out cr00ks, (from Rochdale Road?)
d) They're ego maniacs who have got lucky in the past (eg HR)

Perm any of the above, there are no other reasons


I'm a tipster for priceform for rugby league. I don't feel I fit a,b,c or d. Well perhaps a little bit of ego but I've certainly been very successful in the past. Writing an article actually helps with my own betting. I have to find solid reasons to back up my selections and that helps. Unfortunately, I agree that sometimes the recommended prices go quite quickly though I try to explain my own tissue price to give subscribers the knowledge of what I feel is the correct price.
Report ooO{Alpha Centauri}Ooo November 5, 2009 3:29 PM GMT
artie you're talking bull mud, that's what tipsters tell you
Report funkymonkey November 5, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
ooO{Alpha Centauri}Ooo 05 Nov 11:52


"Why sell tips and have to pay tax on the income when you can smash into them tax free?"



Because "smashing into them" is gambling and selling tips is very low risk.

Lets suppose I have methods on football that have worked for me every month for the past 12 since I have trialed them. Every month has been highly profitable.

I could "smash into them" now or I could sell the information and the future tips, gaining similar revenue with no risk to my own bank.

I know which option I prefer. If months 13-24 produce similar results then its a win-win. People will subscribe and be happy and I have risk free profit.

Knowledge, in one form or another is sold everyday, in every walk of life. I don't see this as being any different.
Report The Betfairy November 5, 2009 6:53 PM GMT
Because "smashing into them" is gambling and selling tips is very low risk.

In other words, you're happy to sell "advice" which may LOSE PEOPLE MONEY, that you yourself are NOT WILLING TO BACK.

FFS, what a scam!
Report The Betfairy November 5, 2009 6:55 PM GMT
You should be presecuted under the Trade Description Act for selling dodgy services. Heads I win, tail you lose. Scamming barstewards.
Report The Betfairy November 5, 2009 6:58 PM GMT
It's like a 2nd hand car salesman willing selling a car to your daughter, but then saying: "fck off, there's no way I'm driving that head of shi1te!"
Report crediter November 5, 2009 7:01 PM GMT
gorrie always wins...cording to the star advert.....max bet today...im having my biggest bet...lol.
Report conchords November 5, 2009 7:05 PM GMT
Betfairy - you seem to have a big issue with tipsters . Been burnt in the past?
Report The Betfairy November 5, 2009 7:07 PM GMT
No, I jsut detest scammers.
Report conchords November 5, 2009 7:09 PM GMT
Thats using quite a broad brush!
Report The Betfairy November 5, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
What else do you call people who sell free money?
Report conchords November 5, 2009 7:14 PM GMT
what do you mean "Free Money"

Surely, in a non cynical world, some are good at producing profit, can still get a bet on have a slight ego but just want to complement their income by selling their hard work & talent!

or does that not fit in with your "all tipsters are scammers" well reasoned argument
Report The Betfairy November 5, 2009 7:15 PM GMT
complement their income

Why not simply increase stakes?
Report funkymonkey November 5, 2009 7:17 PM GMT
Ok, firstly, I was giving an example, not saying I sell tips.

I don't

Your reaction was dramatic to say the least.

There is no such thing as free money, we all know that, but information in one form or another is constantly sold, in every business arena, not just betting.

Information that is sold is not a cast iron certainty of riches.

Nobody makes anyone join a tipster, same as nobody makes you place a trade, so don't jump up in arms making assumptions.
Report julesmin1 November 6, 2009 5:42 AM GMT
Agree with Funky...as in all walks of life, there's good and bad. Most of the services on Racing Index are not achieving a long term profit to Betfair SP, but a minority are. http://www.racing-index.com/tipsters/
Report know all November 6, 2009 9:39 AM GMT
know all 04 Nov 18:26


if its pukka why would you not have a telephone number or address, if you have nothing to hide then its no problem, its illegal to not put the trading details of the ltd company on the website

i was talking anout racing index and others proofing sites
Report julesmin1 November 6, 2009 8:14 PM GMT
Believe it not, this legislation is not that well known. Same as the requirement to give similar info invoices. I guess in the real world people are too busy/ not interested enough to give a stuff what whitehall/ brussels tell us to do. I wouldn't judge a proofing service by this criterion alone. But be cynical if you want to be...who cares.
Report Vulpecula November 6, 2009 8:25 PM GMT
all tipsters are crap pick your own losers/winners
Report know all November 6, 2009 11:09 PM GMT
if any website does not give a telephone number and address then you must reguard them as dodgy,you have no idea who they are or what they are up to
Report kenilworth November 6, 2009 11:15 PM GMT
Just look at the Kenilworth threads if you want to win. All free.
Report julesmin1 November 7, 2009 6:37 AM GMT
"if any website does not give a telephone number and address then you must reguard them as dodgy,you have no idea who they are or what they are up to". Well that's your opinion. Fair enough. I'm quite content to use an information service that doesn't ask me for money, gives me useful comparatives, and I think is motivated to provide at least one decent proofing service on the web in an industry that is rife with false claims. If they get a little bit of advertising revenue then they deserve it. Racing Index is a very good service in my opinion. I'd be interested in what anyone thinks about the top backing and laying services on there. That's what this thread is suposed to be about...http://www.racing-index.com/tipsters/
Report sevey November 7, 2009 6:48 AM GMT
i have found a nice football paper and its free they say red you go black and they are miles behind since Aug/sep/oct
Report sevey November 7, 2009 7:01 AM GMT
sorry the paper is not free its 1.70 a week to buy the tips are free
Report kenilworth November 7, 2009 7:13 AM GMT
sevey, you say they are miles behind. Do you have the figures ?
Report sevey November 7, 2009 8:10 AM GMT
ken i do not keep the figs as my mate and i lay the short 1s every week but i would say they have not had a winning month since the season has started on the singles.
eg here is some of the bets we do not lay
1st Goal scorers
Players any time
Correct scores
Half time /full time betting unless the team is short no x 1 x 2 stuff
both sides to score and nothing over 5/1 in the singles department
cheers
Report kenilworth November 7, 2009 10:56 AM GMT
I dont see how you can categorically state they lose every week unless you keep the exact figures. To say that is quite sweeping. GL.
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