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Priceform is pretty good
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KEN is spot on in what he says.
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hallym 03 Nov 08:52
nick mordin since jan 2000-oct2009 6864 bets 1244 winners profit-£9,839.51 to£10 stake. mudflaps are you using relayline sevices. No hallym, all are e-mail services (one does sms but I don't need that feature). I don't have any faith in any phone services at all - none are profitable according to the numbers. |
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No they are not all rubbish, but you have to have a credible proofing service, an ability to see level stakes performance, and results to bookmakers' SP and/or Betfair SP in my opinion. As I say the racing index charts are helpful...
http://www.racing-index.com/tipsters/ Even so, an ability to decipher what is statistically significant is important in deciding which service to go for, as well as the discipline to stick with it. I think most folks go wrong in thinking you can earn a living from a small betting bank. You can't. The top services will double a bank in a year. That's better than traditional investing, but anyone giving up the day job betting only 100 quid a day is living in cloud cookoo land. |
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It's not about tipping winners, anyone can tip winners, it's the prices you take. The little bit I know about tipsters who show a profit is that they calculate their account at recommended prices, not sp. A massive difference.
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martin blakey racing
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taken from a website , tipsters recieve more complaints when having a good winning year then when they have a bad one, work that one out
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anyone who needs atipster or the likes of betbroker,sorry gone is a loser.
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Agree Kenilworth. There's no point in following a tipster that works to recommended prices. But you have to respect some of the top tipsters on Racing index http://www.racing-index.com/tipsters/ that put out tips early morning, not knowing which way the market will shape up, and still show a consistent profit at level stakes to Betfair SP.
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The top laying service on Racing Index actually recommends betting at Betfair SP. Seems to be catching on.
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Barley Mow are apparently superb, trouble is the doors are always shut
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and subs are lumpy
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always worried when you cant find a telephone number or address when you try to find out who runs this index thingy, one big question how does the website make its money, when you know that then it might all become a bit clearer
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I think Racing Index makes its money from advertising. Loads of services & loads of subscribers means plenty of traffic from potential punters. As far as i know, and i do know, Racing Index is pukka..what you see is how it is.
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if you have a look at the advertising i dont think thats the case, and if it is, its peanuts so how do they really make money or are they doing it for the good of tipsters
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if its pukka why would you not have a telephone number or address, if you have nothing to hide then its no problem, its illegal to not put the trading details of the ltd company on the website
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"There's no point in following a tipster that works to recommended prices". Why not ? Surely only mugs bet at SP - the worst possible price on a horse.
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Tipsters sell their tips because
a) They have a back fitted system b) They have little confidence in their picks c) They're out and out cr00ks, (from Rochdale Road?) d) They're ego maniacs who have got lucky in the past (eg HR) Perm any of the above, there are no other reasons If you could make it pay you would back them with everything you've got and keep them to yourself. Why sell tips and have to pay tax on the income when you can smash into them tax free? |
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"Tipsters sell their tips because........". Rubbish. Successful tipsters usually sell their tips because they can't get bets on at the prices they want because of closed accounts etc.Before you ask, I am not a tipster but I could name a few that are profitable year after year.
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Go ahead please name them.
But if I subscribe to one of them and then back their selections, won't the bookies close my account too? I suppose I could still go on BF. But couldn't the tipsters too? So why do they need to sell their tips?! |
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If you ran a really successful tipping service, do you think you would be tempted every once in a while to tip a rank no hoper with a view to laying it on BF?
You might even bung the jockey a few quid not to try over-hard. |
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Tipsters sell their tips because
a) They have a back fitted system b) They have little confidence in their picks c) They're out and out cr00ks, (from Rochdale Road?) d) They're ego maniacs who have got lucky in the past (eg HR) Perm any of the above, there are no other reasons I'm a tipster for priceform for rugby league. I don't feel I fit a,b,c or d. Well perhaps a little bit of ego but I've certainly been very successful in the past. Writing an article actually helps with my own betting. I have to find solid reasons to back up my selections and that helps. Unfortunately, I agree that sometimes the recommended prices go quite quickly though I try to explain my own tissue price to give subscribers the knowledge of what I feel is the correct price. |
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artie you're talking bull mud, that's what tipsters tell you
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ooO{Alpha Centauri}Ooo 05 Nov 11:52
"Why sell tips and have to pay tax on the income when you can smash into them tax free?" Because "smashing into them" is gambling and selling tips is very low risk. Lets suppose I have methods on football that have worked for me every month for the past 12 since I have trialed them. Every month has been highly profitable. I could "smash into them" now or I could sell the information and the future tips, gaining similar revenue with no risk to my own bank. I know which option I prefer. If months 13-24 produce similar results then its a win-win. People will subscribe and be happy and I have risk free profit. Knowledge, in one form or another is sold everyday, in every walk of life. I don't see this as being any different. |
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Because "smashing into them" is gambling and selling tips is very low risk.
In other words, you're happy to sell "advice" which may LOSE PEOPLE MONEY, that you yourself are NOT WILLING TO BACK. FFS, what a scam! |
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You should be presecuted under the Trade Description Act for selling dodgy services. Heads I win, tail you lose. Scamming barstewards.
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It's like a 2nd hand car salesman willing selling a car to your daughter, but then saying: "fck off, there's no way I'm driving that head of shi1te!"
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gorrie always wins...cording to the star advert.....max bet today...im having my biggest bet...lol.
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Betfairy - you seem to have a big issue with tipsters . Been burnt in the past?
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No, I jsut detest scammers.
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Thats using quite a broad brush!
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What else do you call people who sell free money?
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what do you mean "Free Money"
Surely, in a non cynical world, some are good at producing profit, can still get a bet on have a slight ego but just want to complement their income by selling their hard work & talent! or does that not fit in with your "all tipsters are scammers" well reasoned argument |
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complement their income
Why not simply increase stakes? |
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Ok, firstly, I was giving an example, not saying I sell tips.
I don't Your reaction was dramatic to say the least. There is no such thing as free money, we all know that, but information in one form or another is constantly sold, in every business arena, not just betting. Information that is sold is not a cast iron certainty of riches. Nobody makes anyone join a tipster, same as nobody makes you place a trade, so don't jump up in arms making assumptions. |
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Agree with Funky...as in all walks of life, there's good and bad. Most of the services on Racing Index are not achieving a long term profit to Betfair SP, but a minority are. http://www.racing-index.com/tipsters/
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know all 04 Nov 18:26
if its pukka why would you not have a telephone number or address, if you have nothing to hide then its no problem, its illegal to not put the trading details of the ltd company on the website i was talking anout racing index and others proofing sites |
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Believe it not, this legislation is not that well known. Same as the requirement to give similar info invoices. I guess in the real world people are too busy/ not interested enough to give a stuff what whitehall/ brussels tell us to do. I wouldn't judge a proofing service by this criterion alone. But be cynical if you want to be...who cares.
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all tipsters are crap pick your own losers/winners
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if any website does not give a telephone number and address then you must reguard them as dodgy,you have no idea who they are or what they are up to
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