been on here a while but I cannot see a way to make money

Cannot believe my luck and everyday I'm scared to bet in case I lose

This sounds like a good thing.

If you're losing more than you're comfortable with, bet smaller. If the thought of betting smaller makes you feel a little angry or insulted, it's possible you have a problem.

Winning bets tend to be found through hard work, pick fewer matches and work on them much harder. Lower your stakes and see how you get on. Gambling shouldn't make you feel sick.

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Schalke 04 24 Oct 23:09


why don't you try why I am doing .... less risk, it's fun and you can buy money, but have you got the patience for it ??

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what are you doing??

I'll settle for a guaranteed £10 per day for a year - gotta be better than losing 1.6k

Nothing to do with "luck" ......you are not taking into account what teams/players have been doing either BEFORE a match ( mid-week games) or what games lined up, either for teams or their players at international level ......so all the football bets , other than SPURS game, appear to be poor judgement on your part ....not down to luck!

Players are not machines.......

You need to take note of posters like Lori etc......

ur betting too much at a time if you scale it down more to take into account bad runs

also try find a way of picking players teams etc as if you randomly go through things there is a chance of huge losing streaks

but best of luck and make sure you learn lessons from ur defeats

Read up on KELLY staking ....as you should try to become more aware of value in odds.......if you fancy one team will win....are odds value?

If you don't know, then you need to get your skill level up to get good at knowing!!!!!

From the games posted you are assuming the big teams will win.........but they don't always , especially when players return from international duty.....etc etc The odds chosen probably were not value....and you over staked I suspect.......only you know that.

Reading and using KELLY calculator may well help your betting get better.......REDUCING to SMALL BANK and improving your ability to bet to value ONLY..........and the KC can possibly help you at this stage in betting....otherwise STOPPING seems the next move.

Here is a link for KC

will post it shortly

Reduce those stakes man :0

I'm surprised youre not already living in a cardboard box

listen to Lori

You have to forget about this 1.6k otherwise it's going to affect every bet you do.
Really cut the stakes down and look at other markets and sports you might not normally do.
A series of cheap lays on teams or players that start fast would be my starting point.
Good Luck

why are people obsessed with Big outlay (big risk) small return method

its a sure fire way to lose money

to put it another way

spread your risk

if you think you have what it takes to make it (many don't) then dont do the same type of bet over and over again.

have a basket of different bets on different markets

some high risk high return, some low risk low return and some in between

and remember sport is random with lots of variables.

you need to be able to take the rough with the smooth, which is where spreading your risk comes in.

Whilst Shalkes £600 is impressive it's again risking alot for very little (you could argue it is very low risk odds though).

I just think that maybe gambling and certainly the way I do it is never going to work.

I lost £1000 on Barca earlier in the year when they lost at home to Espanyol and tonight it's Espanyol that have cost me again.

I think this is fate and a way of telling me enough is enough as I'm roughly where I was then in terms of my minus figure.
With luck (and I beleive it was luck) I have recouped that loss only to lose it again and more.

I have no staking plan - it's just a case of looking at who is playing who, team news, sometimes results, form etc and then lumping on.

This method has proves 'lucky' for me at times but this month has been sickening.

I'm not going to say I'm signing off forever as it's interesting to read and comment sometimes - this does not mean I'll be betting.

It would be nice to have a beer, watch a game and have a cheaky £5 on some bet or other, but even then I feel I may be tempted back into bad habits and losses.

Unless I can find a low risk way of keeping an interest in a game for 90 minutes (like both teams to score or team a to score in both halves etc) then I'm done.

Thanks for your advice/help and I wish you well

certainly the way I do it is never going to work.

From your post I'd agree with this. Leaving the game alone is a wise move.

All the best.

Random feeling bets + overstaking = **ed imo

One Barry Robson,

Your probably making the following 3 mistakes:

1) Overstaking
2) Chasing
3) Not knowing beforehand your motivation for having a bet (enjoyment or profit?)

They're all inter-linked but the first thing you need to do is figure out what you intend to get out of your betting. If its merely to "spice up" an event you're watching (sometimes called 'Entertainment betting') then no worries, this is fine, as long as you can afford to lose what you bet with.

However, if you are genuinely trying to get a long term profit (even if it means you have less entertainment derived from it) then thats fine too but you need to be honest with yourself in advance. Once you have that sorted in your head, it becomes easier to move on/help yourself out.

The "bad luck" syndrome is purely fantasy mate, those things happen all the time. In fact, they are inevitable given enough time. That isnt the problem though as those things can be countered by things within your control (ie how much you stake etc.) First impression is that you are "disrespecting" the risks you are taking which in turn is leading to the overstaking. Im not sure if this is because you need larger stakes then what you "should" be betting to derive the entertainment you seek or you are being blinded by potential quick easy gains.

Dont start getting your head in knots over analyising missed penalties, dodgy keepers etc, the reason for your mess is yourself, the good news is, you can do something about it.

agreed good post JPG

i think the three you mention I am guilty of - don't tell me people on here haven't chased because we all have haven't we?

I guess it's a mixture of both I like making money 9like the next bloke), but merely see it as a bit of fun - £1.5k is about what I can afford to risk/lose each year and unfortunately I HAVE lost that amount each year.

As mentioned I'd be happy enough making £10 per day but don't want to risk any more than £100 per day in doing so.

If I can do this whilst taking a match/game in then all well and good - I realise I cannot guarantee to win £10 each day but I just need to find a way to go about doing this - but ultimately I need a break I feel - it would be only too easy to get involved in the next offering as there is so many matches to chose from you can bet 24-7 and this is also a problem as I do shift work this is possible and this means I'm getting involved in matches/leagues I 'm not familar with. I will just lay the bigger odds or back the short odds and it doesn't always work out this way.

i think last season should have been a lesson for everyone as with the likes of fulham and wigan defending well away and picking up 0-0's a lot of short prices got beat. stoke are strong physically but spurs are not, and so long as a team has a way out, any game could turn out any way

If you just want a bet on a game you are watching, why not cut back your BF balance to a level you are comfortable with.
There are facilities for loss limits provided under My Account. If you impose a limit, you can't increase it for 7 days.
This might be easier to stick with than not having a bet at all, which it sounds as if you have tried.

Your thinking is incorrect. You can NEVER get back money you have lost. It is GONE.
You may win in the future, but you never reverse past defeats.
You should self-exclude if you are thinking these erroneous thoughts.

have you ever tried greening up on your bets? i gain confidence from greening up for small profits