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meursault
03 Nov 09 15:50
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Evening boys and girls. I have been away from the forum for a while and would be interested to know whether KOO got to a million profit.
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Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 4:57 PM GMT
wgafs
Report meursault November 3, 2009 5:00 PM GMT
Thanks for the considered rejoinder. He seemed a decent ,genuine guy thats all. All the best to you.
Report bobby2424 November 3, 2009 5:02 PM GMT
koo... stormed off in a huff after several posters questioned his cut'n'pastes of his trading account.

In other words saying he was a b ullshi tter
Report meursault November 3, 2009 5:05 PM GMT
Thanks for that Bobby. Certainly had me fooled. Mind you ,alas, you dont get a medal for that.
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 5:08 PM GMT
Deffo a BSer

He may have made the money I dont know. But he never made it in-running as the figures didnt add up.

He made out he did, which I find contemptible

;p would be koos response so he need not bother
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 5:08 PM GMT
:p
Report Deltâ November 3, 2009 5:28 PM GMT
4
Report the big bossman November 3, 2009 5:33 PM GMT
got**4ed of with people takeing the pi88ss plus could not bother writeing it each day
Report the big bossman November 3, 2009 5:33 PM GMT
got**4ed of with people takeing the pi88ss plus could not bother writeing it each day
Report Hopeless bettor November 3, 2009 5:35 PM GMT
he slipped on his p and l edits
Report Muqbil November 3, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
It's a funny old forum. Anyone who is a consistent winner is branded a bullsh*tter. Anyone who isn't a consistent winner is branded a mug.

All rather confusing.
Report u25k November 3, 2009 5:56 PM GMT
when I said I make consistent profit and invest that amount in property market for good returns, people called me bull s**ter. I have a track record of 5 consecutive years good profit. Of course people don't like anyone who do better than them. If they can't figure out how to make profit it becomes more frustrating for those mugs.
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 5:56 PM GMT
If you are referring to my comments reread them
He was proven to be a BSer and admitted it from time to time - giving a :p when he was caught out.

I dont care whether he made the money or not.
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 5:57 PM GMT
to Muqbil
Report frames November 3, 2009 6:01 PM GMT
Britain loves a loser ,the forum is no different.
Report Hopeless bettor November 3, 2009 6:08 PM GMT
It is frustrating when your a mug like me and you can't make any money :-)
Report YOULITTLEBOTTY November 3, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
The forum is full of Walter Mittys.
Sad but true.
Report Bellamy Road November 3, 2009 7:18 PM GMT
are you saying it's easier to win pre race than inrunning then quiet genuis?

you think he made the money but not inrunning? a puzzling view
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 7:50 PM GMT
Yes. Clearly its easier to win pre race.
He is/was a form student who used in-running to get out or double up.
Fair enough, but he made out he did it all in-running. Then acted as an in-running "guru" to the naive. And yes he hooked me early days.

He also made out he never had fast pics, which again was untrue.

Anyway I'm fed up talking about him :p
Report YOULITTLEBOTTY November 3, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
And I presume he's fed up with you talking aout him.
Let's move on hombres.
Report Muqbil November 3, 2009 8:09 PM GMT
quietgenius 03 Nov 20:50
Yes. Clearly its easier to win pre race.


ROFFLE

That would be why people are willing to pay thousands of pounds for fast pictures, because it's easier to win pre race. And also why the IR players are paying huge wedges in premium charges?
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 8:15 PM GMT
What?
Of course those with fast pics can make money In-running. Did I say they didn't? They *rely* on the fast pics cos the *must have* the edge. Get it?
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 8:16 PM GMT
the edge = that edge
Report Contrarian November 3, 2009 8:17 PM GMT
quietgenius,

Your forum name is particularly unsuited. Perhaps you should change it to babblingidiot.
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 8:18 PM GMT
Easy to insult, difficult to formulate an argument - as you demonstrate.
Report YOULITTLEBOTTY November 3, 2009 8:37 PM GMT
A word of advie quiet genius.
Don't bite.
Just say what you believe and don't believe what they say.
Also, never argue with contrarian.
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 8:40 PM GMT
YLB - I dont mind a good debate, based on argument and logic. Can't argue with an insult
Report YOULITTLEBOTTY November 3, 2009 8:43 PM GMT
True.
But you must surely expect lots of snide insults with a chatname like that.
You going to have to develop a very thick hide on here.
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 8:43 PM GMT
lol
Report heynoodles November 3, 2009 9:07 PM GMT
Pretend u were fishing, imo.

Just put "pleasing haul".
Report Muqbil November 3, 2009 9:18 PM GMT
quietgenius 03 Nov 20:50
Yes. Clearly its easier to win pre race.


OK, you like debate.

Start with this little gem. Any evidence you have to support this notion would be useful
Report Koo... November 3, 2009 9:21 PM GMT
Whats going on here then :p
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 9:29 PM GMT
back to ya. Where is *your* evidence?

Pre race punters on the inside do well. Good form readers do well. Good Arbitragers do well. The Magician won 650k the other day on the scoop six. So does that mean all pre race punters do so?

Your argument is that because *some* IR players do well with fast pics then they *all* do. That's no argument at all.

Where are all these fast pics players winning their money? Who from? Each other? Or....who? How many go skint? What is their burn rate?

The fast pics boys who need the fast pics are competing for each others money. Sure the best survive. But if ever there was a case of survival of the fittest its in-running horse racing for those who have and need the fast pics.

Doesn't sound easy to me.
Report Bellamy Road November 3, 2009 10:28 PM GMT
it is hard to win pre race or inrunning quietgenius, it's a lot easier to make money inrunning in a constantly changing market that has many riks in it than pre race where decades of knowledge in stats & how to assess form has gone into the market.

imo people win small & lose small pre race but people lose big & win big inrunning.

of course people like magician & feck who bet pre race hate the inrunning platform because it takes mug money away from betfair before they can get their hands on it.
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 10:36 PM GMT
*imo people win small & lose small pre race but people lose big & win big inrunning.

I could go along with that.
But in my opinion the higher volatility with IR means on average most will do their nuts.
Report Bellamy Road November 3, 2009 10:40 PM GMT
yes but it also means the big winners are more likely to be IR players, alot of the IR winners know each other as well so would be exposed as frauds if they pretended to win IR but really made money pre race
Report quietgenius November 3, 2009 10:52 PM GMT
Ive moved on from discussing that.
Report Muqbil November 4, 2009 6:12 AM GMT
quietgenius 03 Nov 22:29


Your argument is that because *some* IR players do well with fast pics then they *all* do. That's no argument at all.


Could you point out where I ever made this argument?

People become millionaires every week playing the lottery, those playing scratch cards don't. That's about as relevant as your scoop 6 analogy.
Report quietgenius November 4, 2009 3:37 PM GMT
Here
"
ROFFLE

That would be why people are willing to pay thousands of pounds for fast pictures, because it's easier to win pre race. And also why the IR players are paying huge wedges in premium charges?
"

Which was in response to my statement that it was easier (generally speaking) to win pre race.
IOW it was your contention that it wasn't.

I stated that of course some in-running players made money.

Your contribution is what.

A "ROFFLE"

In other words, a thinly disguised "look at me I make a few quid on here".

Well done. Have you any substantive argument to make or do you wish to do a little dance before you leave?
Report DFCIRONMAN November 4, 2009 3:44 PM GMT
quietgenius 03 Nov 23:36
*imo people win small & lose small pre race but people lose big & win big inrunning.

I could go along with that.
But in my opinion the higher volatility with IR means on average most will do their nuts.
======================================================

Same applies to most BACKERS QG........................and neither BEFORE a race or AFTER a race is it "easy" to win............
Report DFCIRONMAN November 4, 2009 3:49 PM GMT
quietgenius 03 Nov 18:56
If you are referring to my comments reread them
He was proven to be a BSer and admitted it from time to time - giving a :p when he was caught out.

I dont care whether he made the money or not.
========================================================

If you have noted Koos posts over the last few YEARS, then perhaps you would accept he was a creditable person, who was obviously talented at IR betting............................

He did not have to PROVE anything...........and what you posted is not true.........
Report quietgenius November 4, 2009 3:53 PM GMT
DFC of course. Its difficult both ways - we'd all be millionaires etc. But I have explained my position.

I postulate that the "fast pics boys" fight over their own money. Huge amounts are risked in the final furlong at odds on. Where is this money coming from? I would suggest no one but themselves - and a few naive who quickly get burned - and perhaps a very few very good race readers who leave bets up, and maybe a very few inside scammers (eg *know* a horse will "fade" in the final furlong).

There is so much more money available pre race from so many more sources. If you are good enough to beat the evens shot by 5% you make money. Easy to say, hard to do of course, but a good, disciplined, patient form student can do it, without sweating and risking a coronary on split second decisions.

Make sense?
Report quietgenius November 4, 2009 3:57 PM GMT
If you have noted Koos posts over the last few YEARS, then perhaps you would accept he was a creditable person, who was obviously talented at IR betting............................

He did not have to PROVE anything...........and what you posted is not true.......

---

I dont want to go over that again. It certainly is true. Undeniably true. All you have to do is read through his threads, when challenged he fronts up that he put most of his bets up pre race, but continued to refer to his profirs as accumulating through "in-running".
Report DFCIRONMAN November 4, 2009 4:04 PM GMT
Many punters just set a LAY to be taken IR before the race....in order to get a "free-bet" or to do that then try to go all green once initial lay taken IR. So a large amount of money will be coming from that source.....no idea how much , but Bf will know stats.

IR betting is a skill that top IR players will have .......without information ( bulk of their bets will be based on judgment, or their BOTS just go to work, based on their IR plan.)

Information with horse racing is something that generally is not worth relying on.......if you rely on factors which you know are relevant, then that is how I am sure the bulk of money traded IR is set up based -

1. Course.
2. Known running styles of horses.
3. Distance of race.
4. Perceived way punters will back.....
5. Numerous other factors......

Information probably is a very small part of why money is traded IR.......................mostly skill and judgment etc
Report quietgenius November 4, 2009 4:15 PM GMT
Fine.
But to clarify by "put his bets up" pre race I meant take a positon pre race and either double up or get out in-running (sometimes).

Nothing wrong with that.

My issue was with the misdirection. Why'd he do it? Who knows? Kudos I suppose.
Anyway I have moved on from discussing him specifically and wont further.

If you wish to discuss the merits of IR v Pre race betting etc I'm happy to do so.
Report DFCIRONMAN November 4, 2009 4:17 PM GMT
Football starts shortly....so will be watching that....

I think you have it totally wrong re Koo ........from his tips in competition ....clearly he is an IR player ]:) :D

GL with bets.........
Report quietgenius November 4, 2009 4:19 PM GMT
you too.
Report Deltâ November 4, 2009 4:41 PM GMT
.......... using that theory DFC, you must be the greatest IR player on here imho.
Report quietgenius November 4, 2009 4:54 PM GMT
Are you dating Koo Delta?
Report Deltâ November 4, 2009 4:54 PM GMT
split up :(
Report quietgenius November 4, 2009 4:58 PM GMT
Why? Like his betting, did he usually finish before the market went "in-play"?
Report quietgenius November 4, 2009 5:01 PM GMT
A weak metaphor I admit....
Report Muqbil November 4, 2009 5:33 PM GMT
quietgenius, trying to appear inteligent, you are making a right ars* of it.
Report DFCIRONMAN November 4, 2009 5:50 PM GMT
Deltâ 04 Nov 17:41

.......... using that theory DFC, you must be the greatest IR player on here imho.
=========================================================

As Koo has never been in PREMIER division ( hope Iam right on that guess) or got to top of it for his 15 seconds of fame........., and I have, then perhaps your theory is not much of a theory Deltâ.

Yeah ....my naps have been c rap ( many many 2nds at good odds) for last 12 months...FACT......but I have not been appraising or watching too many races in that 12 months, so my naps have been generally c ra p!

However, my form will return, as I am now viewing and studying racing again............and winners will push me up table over next 12 months.....

I'll leave the IR players to dregs ]:) :D .....being a pre-race guesser and not "the greatest IR player on here".............................................Koo must be well up that table though !!!!
Report DFCIRONMAN November 4, 2009 5:54 PM GMT
GL BTW Deltâ on the good chance to go top in YEARLY NAPS tab;le.........you have been very very consistent last 12 months ..top napping! WD
Report quietgenius November 4, 2009 6:05 PM GMT
Muqbil - I'm not trying to be anything in particular. You appear to have a bigger chip than me, yet you are one of the chosen.

Funny that aint it.
Report Koo... November 4, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
Think i was 3rd in the prem league one month, or atone time in the month.

Never won oit though, a lasting regret i take with me
Report DFCIRONMAN November 4, 2009 6:15 PM GMT
Apologies Koo... another guess gone wrong.

I never won it either , SO FAR, .......]:)
Report DFCIRONMAN November 4, 2009 6:15 PM GMT
]:) :D
Report quietgenius November 5, 2009 12:51 PM GMT
Muqbils done a runner :D
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