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All the so called pundits and experts will debate it for hours and the result will stand .
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bent bent bent
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all green by the way
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No goals again in a sky game mmmmm
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What did you back, ABBA!!!!!
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I bet three horses and they all won.
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Were they the only horses in the race ?
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The United GK moved to save Enzo's header then had to scramble to get to Haaland's shot.
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Indeed snc, that's what I thought and posted above.
I wonder if they are just not quick enough to resolve everything correctly in the time they have. In rugby they talk to each other live and hear what's going on, and what is being considered Here you probably have flag for guy in middle and Haaland, obviously if he got a touch then it's ruled out, he didn't, but did they forget to check impact on keeper... |
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what ever the rights and wrongs of it, MARTINEZ didnt even no where HAALAND was and you can see by his body action , once fernando didnt make contact he was/thought, he was ushering/let that ball run across his body and out for a goal kick,so in reality although he was going for the ball ,he didnt effect what MARTINEZ was going to do
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Carricks fault.
No sub after sending off,5 at back against Harland,Maguire not sent forward on 80 mins,swapped strikers instead of defenders for strikers, He’s too weak. ,scared,just wants to keep job he can’t do, Obviously goal a joke , But you have to score 2 to win,allow for 1 freaky goal. Solution Double pay contracts for teams who don’t defender cos managers scared,tuchel and carrick can just collect single pay. That might work. |
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So being distracted by guy in offside position meant he didn't see haaland,...
Offside |
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The goals ,the goal,wrong var idiots ,but score 2. That’s the solution,
Instead of trying not to lose to get a new contract. |
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Agreed yhtl
I have to hear Howard Webb explain this. |
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Yhtl,but the inactive player nearly touched the ball and scored,so he’s not inactive.espically on edge of 6 yard box with an open goal.hes active on both counts,involved and distraction of defenders.
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It's OK because in a few days there will be an official apology so that's alright then.
You can add in the shocking penalty decision against Arsenal and the sending off which is a little more debatable meaning that VAR has had one of it's worst weekends ever. Get it gone FFS |
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Var should be abolished,the ref should be made to check first decision on monitor,don’t need 2 refs.
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Was Haaland's winner a VAR error?
published at 19:01 BST 19:01 BST Dale Johnson Football issues correspondent It started with confusion over Haaland, but the goal scorer was at no stage actually offside. Haaland had been played onside by the outstretched foot of Patrick Dorgu, who was attempting to block the cross from Josko Gvardiol. The deflection off the boot of Dorgu was not relevan. Fernandez, however, was definitely in an offside position, stood in the centre of the penalty area well ahead of Dorgu’s boot. It is what happened as the ball went through to Haaland to score that meant the goal should have been ruled out on a VAR intervention. There is one key part of the offside law which applies to Fernandez: “Clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent” It is possible for a player in an offside position to attempt to play a ball and not commit an offence, because both parts of that clause must be met – there must be impact on an opponent. Fernandez threw himself through the air to try to head the ball, with Lisandro Martinez directly behind him in the flight of the ball. The VAR should ask himself if Fernandez’s action would influence a decision Martinez might make over playing the ball. So, if Fernandez had not jumped to head the ball, would Martinez have made a different decision over playing the ball? If the ball was well in front of the former Chelsea player, or if it was not within playing distance for Martinez, then there is an argument to give the goal. But the ball went just a yard in front of Martinez, and it is very difficult to find any argument to say Fernandez did not commit an offside offence. If Fernandez had not tried to play the ball, and just allowed it to run through, then there would not be a question of offside. As the goal was incorrectly ruled out for offside against Haaland, the VAR should have sent referee Michael Oliver to the monitor for the subjective offence by Fernandez. It would have created the odd situation where there was a review for a disallowed goal for a goal to remain disallowed, but this is what should have happened. It was a clear offside offence by Fernandez and will go down as a mistake by the VAR. |
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Now wehave the first phase didn't affect the second phase etc.
Utter cobblers |
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VAR misinterpreted the rules.
I don't know what we do about that. |
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Var gets demoted, and we go again.
They should know the rules so it's probably an oversight error, but a poor error all the same. |
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fans were happier before VAR, as were gamblers.
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VAR's a mess.
But Foden went down like a sack of spuds when hardly touched by Fernandes and acted all outraged (hoping to get Fernandes booked) but going in studs up!?! Thick or what? Fernandes goes down in laughable "agony" and that's that... Whole thing backfired spectacularly for Foden. |
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But,not as much as it did for ManUre
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how about it went like this
they new enzo was offside they proved ALFIE was onside they then checked to see if enzo touched ball which would make ALFIE offside concluded he didnt but then they FORGOT that they,d already decided ENZO wa offside ,so give goal sounds mad,,but thats what ny fiver is on |
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VAR have admitted it was a mitake and apologied to man utd
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It was n t a mistake that man u did n t score
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Following the incident in the 60th minute of Sunday's Premier League fixture between Manchester United and Manchester City at Old Trafford, we can provide clarification regarding Erling Haaland’s awarded goal.
“The on-field decision was offside against Erling Haaland – that was checked by VAR and he was found to be in an onside position. “In the same attack, it was established that Enzo Fernandez did not play the ball and therefore that makes any offside offence subjective, however, on this occasion, the VAR did not recognise the likely impact of his position and should have recommended an on-field review. “Contact has been made with Manchester United this evening to acknowledge what we deem is an error of judgement. A review of the incident will take place.” |
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When they apologise it makes it worse , we know we got it wrong but we are sorry .
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You'd never know this is a multi-billion pound industry
Howard Webb must go. |
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VAR is bad but the problem is still the ridiculous offside rules. Should be scrapped altogether.
Refs having to apologise because they didnt notice a player gaining an advantage at being a distraction for someone who didnt gain an advantage on account of someones big toe twenty yards away  |
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Arteta was incensed last night at the penalty award, what about if City win the league by a point, the league is completely compromised the this mess.
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Iits the stupidly complicated offside rules that are wrong here. In my day ( here I go ) when the ball is played Enzo is clearly immediately offside , free kick, no goal , move on, simples.
How are refs or even var expected to check the multitude of possibilities and judgements in the offside rule as it is now in just a few minutes? Man City were still awesome though. |
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There will be more errors, but hopefully fewer.
Arsenal fans said they were robbed 2 seasons ago, but cannot accept they had a few go their way last season. But that's not just arsenal fans.... When these errors get argued by partisan fans then they never quite get the attention they deserve. Why can't refs just referee fairly? If not get foreign refs, as euro games I've been to seem to be refereed to a far higher standard. Our refs wouldn't last 3 weeks away from protection of pro ref (pgmol) |
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It isn't about fairly you have to be confident they are doing their best that might be the problem they have gone equivalent brick layers to brain surgeons some are clearly full of their own self - importance when they shouldn't be. The rules are pathetic and the game suffers first time in a long time I couldn't be arsed to watch it bit like the presenter on Talk Sport at 6:50 had to switch her off on about advertising the game is gone or certainly is going backwards but then again so is the world at large.
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As someone has already said, what if City win the title by a single point, or more likely, United are relegated by a point?
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it was obvious where they went wrong lat night,they got themselves involved in proving, showing the goalscorer was onside ,when as said above their was no need to,as enzo was clearly onside attempting to play the ball,end of ,no need to check anything else, instead they went down the rabbit hole of is there a way we can allow this goal to stand,not why it shouldnt stand, NEVO was also wrong for 5 mins because he thought ALFIE was offside,
the rule i dont like is mbo shot in last min ,offside ,keeper saves they could have equalised off the corner,keeper could have been better off letting the shot in , ,yet if a corner is incorrectly given they can change the decision,or at least could in the world cup |
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To be fair, lucky call on the Man City bet, but landed anyway. Thats three games they have scraped a victory from somewhere...
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The last player to touch the ball before Haaland scored was a Man U defender as the cross deflected off his foot - at one time that would render everyone to be deemed as onside!! New rules are obviously too complicated for a Referee to work out and too complicated it seems for half a dozen in the VAR room as well.
Man U fans should stop whinging, Fernandez should have been sent of along with Foden. Oh, and remember the Wolves game? |