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This is what the players wanted, referee's making mistakes. Why are they so unhappy about this one?
Footballers spend most of game trying to get the referee to make a mistake. Appealing pretty much every throw in, foul, offside, Hoping the ref will make a mistake. It's funny watching the indignation because they got what they wanted. |
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Fair goal. Martinez was no where near an on-side Haaland, made not a jot of difference to the keeper's position. The rule as written is stupid anyway, 'attempting to play the ball'?? re. Fernandez. Should be black and white as per the old days. If you're off-side and standing on the pitch then it's off-side. As they used to say, 'If you're not interfering with play, what are you doing on the pitch!'
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The reason Martinez was nowhere near Haaland is because initially he was trying to mark the offside Fernandez interfering with play as he dived attempting to head the ball. Nothing fair about that goal.
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He was always marking Fernandez, on-side or off.
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They came out yesterday and said it wasn't a fair goal and explained why and apologised to United but you think it was a fair goal? Maybe read the up to date version of the rules.
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IMHO
this has nothing to do with VAR knowing/not knowing the rules/laws var new within 30 secs enzo was offside and impacting play but for reasons best known to them and like NEVO on tv they got fixated on and put one down down the rabbit hole, ALFIES onside/offside position which was irrelevant to the final decision, they then like 100% of those watching were gobsmacked to see the tech showed ALFIE onside even though it was irrelevant ,and here is the important bit , they then jumped 2 footed down the rabbit hole, and in the multiple times they looked to see if ENZO got a touch,they wernt looking to see if the TOUCH proved enzo was impacting play[ they,d already decided he was ]they were looking to see if an ENZO touch then made ALFIE offside in 2nd phase, having correctly identified enzo didnt touch and ALFIE was onside throughout,they give a goal completely forgetting/brain freeze that they,d already decided enzo was offside and impacting play |
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its possible if they show/release the audio,that the above will be shown,i dont believe they spent more than a nano second discussing if ENZO was either offside or impacting play and if audio shows they were,they should be sacked
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If he didn't impact play he's in an offside position but not offside.
So they needed to spot it and send ref to monitor to give decision. It's quite a clumsy system, and they've got one of the steps wrong. |
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well we,re going to hear the audio along with howard webb on sky tonight
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Why just on Sky?
Don't all football fans deserve to know Pro Ref's explanation? |
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6pm
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Cheers, will listen to that.
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All it would need is for Webb to get on the phone and say 'wtf are you doing?' while they are reviewing it. We saw him on the phone when Saliba got sent off v Bournemouth a couple of years back, so it's not unprecedented. Not really interested in listening to him explain another howler.
It looks like a corrupt decision as it's hard to imagine that level of incompetence and how they all missed it. The optics couldn't be worse, it's the Sunday 4.30pm game, when nearly all the big games are played and the world is watching. |
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Maybe they rushed the decision as they heard Webb on phone and thought he wanted them to hurry up.
As you say it's hard to accept that they are actually so rubbish at var they forgot to check such a basic step. But... |
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I hope Webb has enough time to cover the Sunderland Arsenal penalty.
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like saying it hard to accept a judge calling the wrong horse a winner from a photo,but how many times as it hapened, brain freeze like the spurs v l,pool goal,
if anyone in the var room wanted to be corrupt in favouring man city ,they,d have intervened in red card decision aking oliver to over turn it,which 99% of people would have agreed with,why would you choose a decision 99.9999999% of people disagreed with ? |
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in the audio they never for one econd considered/mentioned that ENZO was offside STAGGERING ,FIXATED completely on the goalcorer
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so the LINO getting praised for getting decision right on the field for 2 days actually got it wrong flagging HALAAND offside
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Keep up 1tp
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Just watched the video with Ref comms.
Far too much comms from Stockly Park team. |
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And they were clearly affected by how long it was taking and the VAR was beginning to panic and rushing through, to that end it felt that the VAR did not want to spend any more time on a new piece of the play so ignored the question of enzo's involvement in affecting play.
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Agreed.
I have no idea why offside isn't decided by AI leaving just the subjective decisions to VAR. |
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It is, isn't it?
Semi automated offside is sort of AI, and decided Haaland was onside. Knowing if he touched ball, on way to Haaland, would be visual but had he got closer then a chip in the ball would be handy for AI. Some systems use a chip. The problem was not actually considering the subjective offside at all. Either because they forgot because they were chuffed with sorting previous two decisions, or they forgot because of time pressure, or both We've all got stuff wrong, and or forgotten stuff, but that's why the Mrs asks me if Ive the door. They were lacking that little prompt from mrs I'm sure AI could do that!!! |
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Locked the door...
Lol forgot to type locked,..  |
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One thing that comes across when we hear these exchanges is the underlying apparent panic involved, the need to reach as quick a decision as possible clearly puts the accuracy of the whole process at risk.
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Yep, referee seems to be in hurry to shout his view to linos
and var. Which is stark contrast to rugby, where refs, miked up for TV, seem to be in calm control all the time. |
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I wonder if it helps that in Rugby the clock is stopped whereas in football it is not, time is supposed to be added on but it's not an exact science and there must be a psychological aspect where the VAR feel that they are wasting time.
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It's possible, and they have been trying to be quicker this season anyway.
At rugby the crowd are entertained by seeing and hearing what is being looked at. Football fans, in stadium, are totally in dark, with some trying to find out from TV commentary or radio, via their phones. If its a complicated decision they still need to get it right, imagine they had 2 offsides to check and 2 in offside positions needing a subjective check,.. It'll take a bit longer but get it right as best is possible. Because the evidence will get out and processes that lead to mistakes is worst they can do. Of course there will still be arguments about decisions, like handball, soft fouls etc, but they are not mistakes. |
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The whole feel around the Rugby process is one of a relaxed state of affairs, crucially in football the crowd appear to be a far more threatening aspect of the process with the officials really feeling that pressure.
When we hear the exchanges the chaos is palpable. |
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That's the bald truth duffy
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I think the air of control adds to the acceptance of decisions, and the air of utter panic fuels concerns, hence they want it hushed.
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mesmerised 17 Sep 26 18:04
That's the bald truth duffyGrin As a coot  |