Can anyone explain this, please?

I noticed this myself and was struggling with it.

Lump on Ghana!

Winner of the coin toss can decide whether to kick off first or they can choose in which direction they will play.

Tiger, yes that's what I said in my opening post

So, let's look at the Premier league where you've got the captains doing the same thing every week. Captain of team A always chooses ends if he wins the toss, Captain of team B always chooses kick off if he wins the toss...so team B are always going to kick off...

I'm thinking of ,for eg,Liverpool always wanting to attack the Kop end in the second half so they'll always choose ends

Colombia 1/3
Croatia 1/2

Penzance,  that's what I'm saying,  why the discrepancies

Wouldn't know,strange odds.
England,Ghana & Colombia all kicked off in their 1st games.

I don't know if the result of the coin toss and the relevant captains choices in previous matches are available for public knowledge,  I  would assume so, OPTA stats?

At this WC I've noticed the TV coverage switching away from the referee and captains just as they are about to do the toin coss, then come back for the kick off...not for any nefarious reasons, just got ads or promos to show...bl00dy annoying for someone like me trying to find an edge!

with rugby union tyle kick off all in vogue,trying to win back the ball high up the pitch,I,d imagine vast maj of captain on order of the coach,maybe even 90% now take the KO over ends if they win the toss,

England are 1.22 to win against Ghana. I think it's far too short. I think 8 for a draw is a betting proposition given the history of England; Semenyo could be a thorn for England.

Reg, England have a history of kicking off first when winning the toss, whereas Ghana have a history of choosing which way to play when winning the toss leaving the other team to kick off. Nothing is set in stone though. Its never easy!!

Cheers Tiger, that's exactly what I'm looking for

I'll keep a record of prices and results for the next few games
See if there's a pattern

You cannot seriously be betting on pap like this

I thought it was the bookies shortening the odds due to a high volume of bet builders including england win goals to kick off etc .

Newcastle tends to be loser of toss kicks off.

They do this in cricket and sometimes you get some decent odds
Matched by to win the toss market.

Interesting stuff.

Players have to eat, now the throw in meerkat has gone.

Don't want to risk getting a dodgy yellow to pay the bills.

B365 knew....

OK yesterday matches
Uzbek outsider at 5/4
Ghana outsider at 7/4

Last 2 matches Croatia/Panama and Colombia/DR Congo...I didn't watch and cannot find out who kicked off on opta stats, highlights or anywhere...anyone?

Mes 16.11 post yesterday ^^^^

More interested in how it's being priced up, but of course,always looking for any betting edge

Mr Spock, I  was posting as you did
What were the results please

OK, got results of yesterday's 4 matches regarding who kicked off and bet356 prices...

Uzbekistan 5/4
England 2/5.....(I wrongly said Ghana earlier, sorry)
Croatia 1/2
Colombia 2/5


So, the 3 long odds on obliged, the 4th one went to the slight outsider of 2

Too small a sample to say there's a pattern emerging, but I shall keep sticking up the results
Sorry if this is boring anyone, although there's worse threads on here most days I would suggest,  but this is a forum to discuss football betting

England kicked off
Colombia kicked off
Croatia kicked off

Sorry Reg just a bit behind you, I'll blame the heat.

Mr spock, thanks, I managed to find somewhere

Tonight's prices

Bosnia 4/7 Qatar 5/4
Switzerland Evs Canada 8/11
Scotland 10/11 Brazil 4/5
Morocco 4/9 Haiti 13/8

isn't it a case of the better side will almost always kick off if they win the toss, but the lesser side might not? So Morocco would be 95% likely to kick off if they win the toss, but Haiti are 70% or even lower?

OK, yesterday's results...
Teams who kicked off were
Scotland 10/11
Morocco 4/9
Bosnia 4/7
Canada 8/11

(Also Mexico and South Korea but didn't get their prices)

So,once again the real short ones,Morocco and Bosnia, oblige
That's 5/5 from any team 4/7 or shorter to kick off
I'll put today's up soon

OK, 6 matches again later...
I'll ignore 2 of them, Ecuador/Germany 5/6 each,Japan Evs/Sweden 8/11

The 4 shorties...
Curacao 1/2
Netherlands 4/7
Australia 2/5
USA 2/5

The 4 fold pays just over 7/2
I've gone in for very small, just to test my theory
Good luck all

If you were playing Liverpool at Anfield and won the toss surely you make them kick towards Kop in the first half ?

OK, yesterday's kick off results, if anyone is interested? Probably just me...

6 matches, 5 favs obliged
Only one that didn't was Curacao v Ivory Coast, however IC were backed in to 5/4 from 6/4 before they kicked off
Others were Germany, 8/13 from 5/6...!!!
Sweden 8/11
Netherlands 4/7
Australia 2/5
USA 2/5

More than just a pattern emerging, imo
I just can't work out the reasoning behind it

Today's/tonight's kick off favs...

France 8/13
Iraq 1/2
Saudi Arabia 8/11
Spain 4/11   ....?!
Egypt  8/11
Belgium 8/13

4 of them are tomorrow reg ya doe peak húnt.

Yes, rico, that's why I said today/tonight
I think you'll find that the term "tonight" covers everything from late evening today until early morning tomorrow...basically, the hours that you can generally be found hanging around the Jaywick gents toilets

he's a bit thick this Rico fella isn't he Reg

Update...4 of the 6 favs obliged last night, including the shortest ones coming in yet again...
Iraq at 1/2 and Spain at 4/11

There's something in this, I just can't figure it out

I'll be back to bore you with it again later!

And to mes^^^^...you're not wrong

keep at it reggie deffo something in it,but you wouldnt get enough on in these novelty bets to make it worth your while for skullduggery to be at play

Back em in singles, until bookies pull the bet.

They'll be forming odds through known data from previous calls. Once the tendencies of both sides are known, the bookies can set the likelihood to match. Deviation could come from fav or dog status, wind direction, and which side sun is facing.

Even if every now and then they're giving away some value on either side, or let's go further and say they were ALWAYS offering value on the fav, it's not like they can ever be skinned by at, since nobody is staking seriously on these novelty markets. And any account that tries to put more than a score on any outsider will be flagged for potential conspiracy, suspicious behaviour.

Anyway, Regbutler, I personally wish you all the best in your endeavours to master this particular market!

Cheers DBL and 1tp
I realise that even if there was an edge it wouldn't last long or the max stakes would be low anyway...
Just following it out of curiosity

Anyway, later matches today/tomorrow morning...

6 matches, the 2 involving Portugal and Argentina betting is close-ish

However, the other 4 matches all have a fav at 4/11...???

England
Croatia
Uzbekistan
Austria

Will put up results tomorrow

Gl all

cheers reg,love these type of threads

OK,  yesterday's/this morning's kick off results

Croatia 4/11
Uzbekistan 4/11
Austria 4/11
Colombia 8/13
Jordan Evens
Panama 2/1

So, 4 out of 6 favs including 3 from 4 of the really short 4/11 ones...only one that didn't oblige was England, perhaps Harry is reading this thread?!
As I  already said, it's annoying that both BBC and ITV cut away from the action just as the toss of the coin is performed, then come back for the kick off. Therefore, you can't see who has won the toss and which choice they made

Might carry on putting these up, but I'm pretty sure there's no money to be made from having an edge or insight, especially to the very small stakes they probably allow on these bets

of course inGERland...
dont oblige, always
guaranteed is that

Thanks Reg --- candidate for thread of the year.

The matches are streamed on here and other betting sites with no commentary or punditry/ads. You can watch the toss there.

Cheers lurka, I'll try that

I'm thinking that the oddsmakers at bet356 have the information on what the teams and/or captains have previously done when winning the toss, and price up accordingly, hence prices like 4/9...it may be that they just have people watching and record every detail because I can't find this info available via Google

Maybe betfair will add this to markets on here.

Yhtl, surprised it's not already given the amount of markets per match
Ideal bet if you think the match might be boring,  only need to watch the first 1 second

Next 3 matches, team to kick off priced up, 2 particularly short ones...

Brazil 4/11 Japan 2/1
Germany 2/7 Paraguay 5/2
Netherlands 8/13 Morocco 13/10

OK, Brazil at 4/11 and Paraguay at 5/2 kicked off so far today
Again, no pattern i can see

Late match last night, Netherlands at 8/13

Next 3 games favs, Norway 4/9, Sweden 4/7, Mexico 4/7

Latest winners...Ivory Coast 13/8,Sweden 4/7,Mexico 4/7

Next 3 fav

England 2/5
Belgium 4/11
USA 8/15

Latest winners

England 2/5
Belgium 4/11
Bosnia 11/8

Next 3 favs

Spain 4/6
Croatia 8/15
Switzerland 2/5

OK, I'm done with this kick off lark
I've come to the unsurprising conclusion that there's no edge to making money on this bet...
If a match is priced up Team A 1/2 Team B 2/1, ie at 100%...
Then Team A will kick off 2 out of 3 , Team B 1 out of 3...profit zero

That's obviously a generalisation but that's roughly how it's been working out
The bookie chaps have more info than me on how to price this market up, and adding in their overround, unless you had a multi millionaire footballer wanting to nick 20 quid from Denise Coates???!!!

Cheers all

i explained in 10 days ago, if the big nation wins the toss they kick off 95% of the time, if the underdog wins the toss the percentage odds of kicking off are lower, hence the difference in the odds.

^yeah I stopped thinking about it after that post but still enjoyed reg doing his nut over it anyway
only joking reg

what i dont get is bwith every team kicking it down the field for field position, if you won the toss why wouldnt you kick off,makes a mockery of same  teams kicking for field position at other times