WORLD CUP OUTRIGHT

Norway look good at 40 to me.

Also..

backed: Argentina, Germany, Japan, Ecuador, Uruguay, Croatia, South Korea, Egypt

layed: Spain, England, Portugal, Netherlands, Morocco, Colombia, Mexico, USA, Turkey

what about france  no bet?

im big red on every team from norway down, including norway. the heat will get to them

No bet yet Dragon, I think I will be a backer of France though

In the last 4 world cups a 1 or 2 big nations have gone out in the group stage.

Though it looks hard to get knocked out of this one.

not seen anything for Norway to worry about so far

They may as well give Norway the trophy now

They may as well give Norway the trophy now

I'll sleep better tonight after the second half from France.

Tober, put your rod away

no rod, most of my bets so far are backs of Norway

I thought Norway would actually top the group as I fancied them to outscore France against Iraq and Senegal, now that France have scored 3 past Senegal not as likely. If the do finish 2nd, they'll probably come through a Ecuador or Ivory Coast, but then it's probably Brazil in the next round who would probably have found form by then, whilst anything can happen in a one off game, when you look at clubs all these Norweigans are actually playing for outside of the front 3, it's like a mid table Premier League side at best, against an elite CL level side, don't see where the confidence in them comes from unless you're expecting a sort of Maradonna dragging an average Argentina side to World Cup glory in 86 esque type run, because that'd be the equivilent. Good luck anyway, but can't see it myself.

Argentina are ahead on points out of the teams we've seen so far, quick passing and moving between the lines, all the players look comfortable, France have individuals but this Argentina look like a "team".

At twice the price that is where the value looks to be at the moment.

Some possible challengers to Norway are emerging

England very good, one of my bigger reds, had to back them a bit @7.8, think that could drop a few ticks in the next couple of hours

England should be favourites

Cant believe the price of argentina

I think Spain and England will flip in the order so I'll tale 7.6 too

Out of all the teams I've seen so far disregarding opposition, the most impressive I've seen so far in attack and defence, is Argentina.

England just won a chaotic game, not really controlled, it remains to be seen how they perform against a technically superior team, Argentina were very comfortable on the ball and were able to play the ball into tight spots and maintain possession, England can't do that and it is precisely how we lost the first goal tonight.

If tonight is a template of how we win it, i.e. we turn games into typical EPL games then we will need a lot of luck against the more technical sides as playing open football against them will see us getting picked off.

We'd probably be better off playing with two tight banks of defence and counter attacking with Madueke, Bellingham, Rashford and Kane.

the best england game ive seen in years fair play,

On a par with England 5-1 Germany 2001 away, 4-1 Holland at Euro 96

But that defence and keeper is Conference level.

Stones is a mostly a right hand-side of defence centre back for City and England, played on the left, Gordon down the left hand side must have had the fewest touches on the pitch as attacks werent not being funneled that way, mostly went out to Madueke, Stones used to playing it the other way, Guehi plays on the left hand side of a centre back pairing, used to passing and receiving the ball in those areas, why is he on the bench. Why is Tuchel obsessed with Stones, brought him to the World Cup un-match fit over Maguire, then actually starts him over Guehi, who's there and match fit.

Drop Stones otherwise England will be KO'd again v the first half decent side in the tournament, probably Brazil in the quarters.

Kind Regards.

I would think England's biggest problem will be playing a top team in the heat.

England have now displaced Spain as 2nd favs

That defence and keeper looks less solid than under Southgate and he played 2 DMs in front of it and had his wingers track back (apart from the last euros when they were exposed and conceded the first goal in the QF SF and final). All 6 goals in the Croatia game were awful from the defending team's point of view. That doesn't make England more likely to beat the top sides imo. But it's only 1 game and Tuchel will likely play a lot like Southgate in the KO rounds.

Tuchel keeps emphasizing the "go for it" mentality which suggests that they won't be playing pragmatic Southgate type football, rather that they'll try and turn games into a helter skelter EPL style game which will cause its own problems as the better sides will be able to absorb that and play through us.

Spain have now displaced England as 2nd favs.

Market so pathetically fickle.

Yep, Spain won't be winning, they haven't got enough game breakers to combat organizeation, they'll also be susceptible at the back to the counter attack against better sides.

Whether they win it or not, the point stands it was laughable they were ever displaced by England in the 1st place. 1 game and we're already replacing the 30+ game unbeaten Euro winners, who presumably carried the same insufficient game breakers and defensive susceptibility back then? It's all a silly nonsense.

nah I think England should be 2nd favs

The most likely way a favourite goes out is the passing around with 80% possession and you don't get the perfect threaded pass for the early goal, and it just drifts towards penalties.

I can see that happening to Spain and Portugal, but not England as Tuchel wants them to go out on their shields.

I find the markets lack of faith in Norway disturbing.

Had to go in again @50

As it stands, here are the likeliest knock out opponents for Argentina:

R32 - Cape Verde

R16 - Belgium

QF - Colombia



A back at 7.8 now feels like an absolute gift and it would take a miracle not to lock in a decent profit.


And the Yanks have a very favourable likely draw and are still overpriced.

Seemed odd that Portugal started off shorter odds than Argentina, now near double the price.

Tale of two legends

Tuchel wants them to go out on their shields.

England going out on their shields, Scotland going out shaking to Brazil

magic sign industry low on scotland to win the world cup.

200/1.  you're spoiling us magic sign, we'd feel bad taking advantage of your unbelievable generosity

200/1 !! 

there's someone on here offering 820.0 and nobody's interested ....

tobermory, anti-footballing your way to pens doesn't guarantee success. Arsenal can tell you that from their CL final loss. It's 50-50 at the least, with skill&composure tipping it in your favour. England played an ageing Croatia side willing to go man for man and play high up the pitch. Until they face a complete anti-football display, there's no telling how they'll get on.

Investing in Scotland OR England at whatever odds is certain to yield ZERO interest. At least for those backing Scotland their fantasy profits are much bigger.

Brazil @19.5

Don't think I've ever seen them in double figures for a World Cup before

Argentina still ahead on points, a team, it'll be x rated stuff for Brazil's midfield as soon as they come up against a decent side, Morocco showed what it'll be like in their first half against them.

"Until they face a complete anti-football display, there's no telling how they'll get on." Well, we've just seen how they got on. Are they double figured price yet?

Yeah England created nothing, out to 4th in the betting.

So Norway start off at 40, after 2 games they are the 2nd highest scorers of 48 teams, Haaland is running amok, and their price is.... 40

After everyone played 2 games

5.3	France		60	Colombia		440	South Korea		1000	Qatar
6.8	Spain		65	Belgium		460	Uruguay		1000	Saudi Arabia
7.4	Argentina		85	Mexico		480	Ecuador		1000	South Africa
8.6	England		110	Switzerland		570	Ghana		1000	Cape Verde
12	Portugal		220	Croatia		680	Scotland		1000	Curacao
16.5	Germany		260	Ivory Coast		760	Paraguay		1000	Iraq
18.5	Brazil		260	Senegal		960	Algeria			DR Congo
19.5	Netherlands		270	Canada		1000	Iran
34	USA		330	Egypt		1000	Uzbekistan
40	Norway		360	Sweden		1000	Bosnia
48	Morocco		400	Austria		1000	New Zealand
50	Japan		410	Australia		1000	Czechia

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103	France		252	Colombia		963	South Korea		97	Qatar
292	Spain		337	Belgium		297	Uruguay		97	Saudi Arabia
50	Argentina		209	Mexico		285	Ecuador		97	South Africa
136	England		23	Switzerland		503	Ghana		97	Cape Verde
207	Portugal		189	Croatia		547	Scotland		97	Curacao
210	Germany		111	Ivory Coast		650	Paraguay		97	Iraq
252	Brazil		367	Senegal		97	Algeria		97	DR Congo
272	Netherlands		467	Canada		97	Iran
533	USA		552	Egypt		97	Uzbekistan
2,874	Norway		140	Sweden		97	Bosnia
119	Morocco		137	Austria		97	New Zealand
237	Japan		547	Australia		97	Czechia

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The market seems to fail to anticipate predictable outcomes. Japan yesterday were in all probability set to be 2nd in the group and play Brazil in the round of 32, and they were priced at 46.

I just thought it was because Japan were that respected. But now they are actually playing Brazil they are at 70 with 75 quite matchable.

Your book is woeful

It's not very balanced so far is all, as Norway too big to lay much. It's hardly started as a betting event really.

find it hard to tell the difference between the green text and red, maybe bolding them might help

France v Norway tonight will really tell where this Norway team are at.

98	France		342	Belgium		547	Egypt		552	Scotland
298	Spain		209	Japan		292	Uruguay		102	Saudi Arabia
45	Argentina		120	Mexico		498	Ghana		102	South Africa
115	England		162	Switzerland		503	Paraguay		102	Iraq
173	Portugal		233	Ecuador		870	Bosnia
217	Brazil		184	Croatia		1,365	South Korea
277	Netherlands		372	Senegal		102	Algeria
275	Germany		400	Ivory Coast		102	Iran
538	USA		472	Canada		102	Uzbekistan
2,693	Norway		102	Austria	|102	DR Congo
124	Morocco		135	Sweden		102	New Zealand
22	Colombia		102	Australia		102	Cape Verde

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98	France		342	Belgium		547	Egypt		552	Scotland
298	Spain		209	Japan		292	Uruguay		102	Saudi Arabia
45	Argentina		120	Mexico		498	Ghana		102	South Africa
115	England		162	Switzerland		503	Paraguay		102	Iraq
173	Portugal		233	Ecuador		870	Bosnia
217	Brazil		184	Croatia		1,365	South Korea
277	Netherlands		372	Senegal		102	Algeria
275	Germany		400	Ivory Coast		102	Iran
538	USA		472	Canada		102	Uzbekistan
2,693	Norway		102	Austria		102	DR Congo
124	Morocco		135	Sweden		102	New Zealand
22	Colombia		102	Australia		102	Cape Verde

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mes must be colour blind

I am actually colour blind, cannot tell the difference between the browns and greens on a snooker table either, so probably just me, I had to press ctrl+ to increase screen size just to tell the difference to post in the graphic below

that's for me and my fellow colour blind comrades

what happened to France price, I backed at 1.63, now 1.45. Not complaining mind. vs Norway

is Haaland injured or what?

Haland RESTED

1.64 to 1.43 in less than 2 hours, that's a helluva plunge. Is something up in the Norway Camp?

is that confirmed, i'msolucky?

Haaland to start on bench according to "sources", whoever they are.

Norway resting all players, inside info have lumped on France and laid the **** out of norway

yep. me too, at 1.63 I'm happy to say.