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Win a free kick 40 yards from goal and you can pack the box with more players than you would in open play: one long kick, and you have a decent chance of a shot;
Pity about offside, so corners and throw ins are far more valuable. Can see them changing offside law to stop long throws if it's working against big teams. Liverpool ain't got a long throw, what's slot gonna do... |
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They'll eventually catch up and do what others are doing: buy players based on their size and ability to grapple rather than on technical skill.
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Go get themselves a top set piece coach, and play for corners and free kicks rather than risk a counter by threading a dangerous ball.
A goal's a goal. When you value a scrappy set piece goal over a beautiful team move, and the former is so much easier, then logic dictates you prioritise that. Because results are all that matters. Who cares if the atmosphere is dead and the entertainment level is sinking through the floor? Let's just have twenty teams all playing the low block, exaggerating every contact and taking 45 seconds over every throw in. And charge the public a small fortune to enjoy it. |
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officials dont enforce foul throws anymore particularly the foot on the touchline or pitch from long throws
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Brazil 1970 gave a blueprint.
If referees want to allow pushing and shirt pulling and holding, so they can decide how much of each is actually a foul so decisions increasingly fall in their hands then this is where we are. It's a joke that fullbacks routinely don't contest headers but time their push to disrupt opposition, without using enough force to see a free kick awarded, unless ref fancies giving one. |
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The one that really grinds my gears right now is the attacker stepping across a defender or putting the brakes on to force a foul. VAR should be able to intervene there and see who caused the collision.
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Lost its panache is for ballerinas and pumperdinks now is getting less and less enjoyable to watch to the point of being soooooooooooo boring - last night was a yawn fest and dreadful. VAR is such a massive contributory factor there is no flow this is not football anymore is it let's be honest the refs are just pawns of the geezers in the ivory towers.
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Nah the refs are the main attraction as they can
penalise any foul, push, shirt pull, or hold... But choose to let most of them go. Messi would be an 8 goal a season man in his prime in current Premier league rule interpretations |
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Porcupine, I disagree
If a forward gets across in front of a defender he is in control...if he wants to check his stride and make the defender commit a foul, then the defender must tread carefully otherwise indeed a foul is commited Defenders get their own back at set pieces when their holding usually goes completely unpunished...you could have 5 or 6 penalties a game, which wouldn't be great viewing |
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"In fact, this Premier League season has featured fewer goals per game (2.78), as the rate of set-piece goals has increased, while the rate of open-play goals has fallen to a greater degree.
On average, there are 0.18 more goals per game from set pieces, but 0.35 fewer goals from open play, and 0.5 fewer goals overall." There were 3.28 gpg in 23/24 which is where the 0.5 figure comes from. That is a massive outlier season by 0.5 gpg, the bottom 3 were atrociously bad for conceding with Sheff U breaking the record (104 conceded). 2.78 gpg is slightly above average and quite normal. Fewer teams are defending with high line & press as much as prev years, they are parking the bus more which leads to fewer open play goals and more set-piece goals. |
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to cut down on long throw-ins I would change the rules so that the ball must bounce or touch a player before entering the penalty area from a throw-in
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reg - but I think it crosses the line into, well, cheating. And again, it goes to the main point of the current game being too set-piece focused, piecemeal, stop start and low on flow and entertainment.
I know the letter of the law says he's entitled to do it, but it's clear that he's instigating the challenge, potentially causing an injury for the opponent and then feigning injury. Don't disagree on grappling at set pieces particularly. I'd say blocking is probably the bigger thing now. It's more like NFL sometimes. There should simply be a law stating that impeding your opponent from winning the ball (I'd also include the ridiculous shepherding the ball out crap) is a foul in itself. Just play the game clean. |
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Porky.. Reg played Centre Forward
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I always felt at its heart football was quite a boring game. Punctuated by moments of brilliance.
From what I have noticed, this season has seen the abandonment of the Guardiola experiment. Hi-press & passing out from the back. So the emphasis on set pieces as a goalscoring threat has been heightened. What we may have to suffer for some time is Long Ball English football with added VAR to knock even more joy out of the game. Sort of like the Football League, but without the fun. |
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What naysayers who hate Arsenal scoring from corners neglect is the delivery from Rice & Saka is usually very accurate.
It's as daft as criticising Beckham for being good at free kicks from 25 yards out. Corners only come about from attacking play. If you fear conceding from corners, then don't give corners away - the same as not giving free kicks away from just outside the box if there's a specialist dead ball player who might score from them. |
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More set-piece goals, fewer mug goals playing out. A proper title race and 2 of the promoted sides not in the bottom 3.
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I remember when Arsenal used to get stick for not scoring goals from corners.
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Typical Gooners.
Game is going to ratchet and they are wallowing in it. |
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As Wesdag says, other teams don't have Saka and Rice to take corners.
It is still not luck. |
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Yeah right.
Because thats the true metric of football greatness. The ability to take a corner. If thats not the most English argument I have heard, I don't know what is. Wasnt long ago that Declan Rice was getting criticised by Graeme Souness for being unable to play on the half-turn. Fair play to Arteta. Cos him & young Kroenke have worked out what it takes to win this league. Which it looks like they will. But his team is the true heir to the Boring Arsenal sides of George Graham. Packed full of runners in midfield and just enough goals in the forward line. Some muppets like Piers Morgan think they are going to win the UCL as well. Dream on. |
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The game is always evolving.
Corners have been a neglected aspect of the game which teams/managers are paying more attention to. It's all about "marginal gains" etc. If you have an aspect of your game which you can exploit, why not do so? It really is no different to 25 yard free kicks. If delivering the perfect corner/25 yard free kick is so easy, why isn't every team do the same? Should we also castigate Cantona & Le Tissier for being so good from the spot? |
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I don’t care how teams score goals. Without them the game would be unwatchable. Indeed, we wouldn’t be interested in it.
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I think the last few posts make some valid points, but I actually think the issue is at the other end.
The problem with the game isn't marginal gains, or teams winning the league because they're better at corners. The problem is that there are no Ipswiches or Swanseas any more. Teams who want to succeed on their game. Who have tactically innovative plays and exciting players. Everyone now - everyone - is simply just trying to spoil games, slow play down, stop any sense of momentum that would get the home fans energised and might feed back to the players, and look to win free kicks, corners, and now throw ins up the pitch and play the percentages and try to snatch a goal that way. As with the dodgy attacker conning a free kick, it's all within the laws of the game, but the problem is that those laws are being abused and it's the quality of the spectacle that is suffering. Rules need to be rapidly updated before we have a generation turned off the game and looking elsewhere for fun |
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Tbh, the only really decent games to watch now are in the CL.
That's because all the teams fancy themselves & will go for it. No parking the bus nonsense. Most EPL fare is turgid cat & mouse bs. |
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Newcastle home games v Liverpool, arsenal, citeh
and Chelsea were all good games. Some poor stuff too, but folk can always watch highlights and usually looks good. |
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Not too long until managers get AI reports in running, telling them what to do.
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Is one of the problems with the preponderance of set pieces, corners, etc the fact that they are encouraged by the almost complete lack of any referee action with the constant scrummaging and wrestling which goes entirely unpunished? It is appalling to witness how it goes undealt with. Coaches will play on that too.
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Anyone know why it's so hard to find official attendances for yesterday's games?
Had the telly on after Traitors. Man City seemed half empty as usual, and there were a good few empty seats at St James Park too. Talk is that the atmosphere at Everton was flatter than Kate Moss, so I thought to look if there were many games a fair bit below capacity* but seems like the figures haven't been released. Obviously City will have officially broken their attendance record again because putting your bag on a seat counts. |
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City going for the title yet had tons of empty seats
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Crowd: 52,176 There were 200-300 tickets on sale very late so dunno if they got sold. Ground looked fairly full, guy in front of me missing otherwise our section was full. 50,000 still there at 10.15 pm as some Leeds fans left. Bar still packed at 11pm when called last orders |
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West Ham’s official attendance of 62,429 for their 2-1 defeat by Nottingham Forest was almost twice as high as the number of fans who went through the turnstiles at the London Stadium on Tuesday night.
The club have an increasingly apathetic fanbase and were unable to convince a big crowd to turn out for a crucial clash in the battle against relegation from the Premier League. It is understood the real attendance was closer to 34,000 than the figure given by West Ham on their website. |
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City's hardcore support is a lot lower than the other 'big 6' and sheer weight of games in recent years is having some effect with them as well. They didn't sell out their FA Cup semi final allocation last season by some margin.
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Only 0.9 of 4.3xg in Newcastle v Leeds was from open play.
Only 17 of 32 shots were from open play. This is getting silly now #EPL |
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Newcastle quoted as 51,176 for last night on soccerway which is pretty close to capacity though plenty of clubs seem to be a bit economical with the truth as has been alluded to..but can't imagine Newcastle is an easy ticket to get currently.
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I was surprised too. But the gaps were clearly visible on telly.
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