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I wouldn't go that far Honcho but Right Back has been an issue for the toffees this season. They are trying to recruit one in the transfer window.
However if Nathan gets a run in the side he obviously has the chance to impress and nail the position down. Staying injury free would be a start ! Been a very strange old season for EFC, started well at the new stadium but now struggling to win there. Injuries etc haven't helped of course. But away from home they have won at Bournemouth (first time ever in the EPL) , Villa (first time in 10 years) and Utd (second time in 32 years). Since Moyes took over again a year ago, they have won 10 away games, the most in the EPL alongside Arsenal. And to return to our previous conversation about the defence - only Arsenal have kept more clean sheets that EFC this season ![]() |
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I still don’t rate him nearly as highly as you. The game you lost heavily a week or two ago he was at fault with two of the goals ( at least ). Sry, but that’s my view.
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? I'm talking about the defence as a whole, that's why i gave the stats about the past two seasons and now the clean sheets this campaign.
Tarkowski was also all over the place (unusually) in that match you reference and yet again Keane has to be the scapegoat doesn't he (even though most observers agree he has been our most consistent defender this season). Facts do not lie, in the last 3 years EFC have had a very good defensive record (apart from three poor home defeats this season). One area we are very strong in is central defence - any two of Tarkowski, Keane, O'Brien and Branthwaite (soon to be back) is fine by me. Its at full back that we need strengthening, Coleman will be fit soon but is getting on in years, Patterson has the opportunity now and has to grasp it, something he has not done so far in an EFC shirt, he is still only 24 years old but has been at the club for four years now and needs to finally make his mark. Let us hope he can do so. |
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Is it four years? I would never have guessed if asked. Seriously, that surprises me. As you say, it’s about time he restarted his career and gave the club what they’re paying him for. As you say facts don’t lie so I grudgingly (
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Yes Honcho, hard to believe he has been at Everton that long. Only 53 appearances in that time which tells a story. Injuries just one reason, he has had several managers in that time some of whom obviously did not rate him but he has also been involved in training ground "disagreements" - read in to that what you will
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I remember rumours of this... Way back when.
Brushed off of course, at the time, but... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy8yp1nqd21o .. |
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Send him up to Tynecastle on loan. We’ll find a role for him. And a solid midfield player would be of use too.
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Very much a "sliding doors" moment Donny. The Everton board over the years have a very long charge list of failures in getting the right manager and cocking things up. Not exactly their fault that Revie stayed at Leeds of course.
Probably even worse than missing out on Revie was a few years later in 1977 when Bobby Robson had agreed to take the Everton job. Being the gent he was he wanted to tell Ipswich first and expressly stated that the news not be made public until he was ready. Then that numpty John Moores released the news to the press anyway and Bobby changed his mind. Brian Clough was then linked with the job and was hot fav with the bookies to take it but he slipped through our fingers as well Oh what might have been.Funnily enough, although they didn't win a trophy that Everton side in 1977/78 under Gordon Lee was my favourite ever to watch in pure footballing terms. Great entertainers they were. It never really occurred to me at the time that Bobby or Brian may well have won things with them ! |
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He could do worse Honcho, no surplus midfielders unfortunately - isn't Beni B enough for you
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Suspended for two, so we are short of two key players plus him for Celtic on Saturday.
Injury/absence was always going to be our biggest foe in this title challenge. To lose these two both at once is a massive blow, whatever the manager might say. |
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Grealish out for 3 months FFS, probably send him back to City and any chance he had of playing in the WC just evaporated.Interesting to see what City do with him now. If they insist on £50m he won't be going anywhere.
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No way they will pay that kind of money Mr S. It's a shame for Jack and will surely put the kybosh on his World Cup dreams.
Time for Dibling maybe to step up and fill the void. Not sure if Moyes trusts him enough yet. Ndiaye will be back (all being well) for the Leeds game and will probably go on the left wing although McNeil can play there too. |
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Pity for Grealish, but could still make end of season and world Cup.
Should be in squad on merit. |
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Sad news on Tommy Wright RIP
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Yes String, sad news indeed. Tommy spent his whole career at the club and was an ever present in the great 1970 championship winning team. A fine right back who probably should have got more than the dozen caps for England. Morrisey, Royle and Harvey the only trio left of that title winning first eleven now
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I watched Tommy in the late 60s/early 70s immaculate defender. As you say Dixie the greats are disappearing fast as time goes by.
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Alan Whittle is still around Mr S, worth mentioning him as well due to his vital contribution in that 1970 triumph - 11 goals in 15 games without ever being a regular, shame we haven't got someone to knock the goals in like that at the moment !
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West, Wright, Wilson, Kendall, Labone, Harvey, Young, Ball, Royle, Hurst, Morrissey. Sub Husband or Whittle probably my favourite line up from those days.
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Did Brian Labone play for England in the 1970 World Cup finals?
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Yes he did Honcho, his last ever England game was that ill fated Quarter Final v West Germany
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Thanks. Good player but had big competition at the time.
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Any clues?
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I presume you mean me. He would have had many more caps but for Jack Charlton and Norman Hunter is my recollection?
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Ok, but your orignal reply had 'me' at the end of it so was curious that you were an ex-player. Its disappeared now which is even more odd.
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Me? the letters me were at the end of the word time. Confusion - let’s bin it.
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Yes when I looked it said - Thanks. Good player but had big competition at the time. me So I naturally thought you were the competition. I must be seeing things in my old age.
Anyway lets hope they tonk Leeds on monday but ojur home form is abysmal currently. |
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You just know DCL will come back to haunt us Mr S
![]() And apologies for the pedantry but Ray Wilson was not part of the 1970 title winning team, he was transferred to Oldham in 1969. Sandy Brown was the regular left back, most famous ironically for his stupendous own goal early on in the season in the Merseyside Derby at Goodison. Alex Young, The Golden Vision, had also left by then (1968). Wonderful player, would have fitted in the 1970 side so well. At least he won the title with the toffees in 1963. Jimmy Husband actually was a regular with 30 appearances. |
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Hi Dixie, sorry I wasnt saying they were the 70's title winning team just my favouriteplayers from that era (66-70) as I was born in 1959. I probably wasnt specific enough. Of course we fell off the rails dramatically after that title win (probably due to selling Alan Ball and Cattericks ill health) and I had to endure my teens growing up waching Liverpool win everything until 1984 of course.
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I was the same Mr S, the first game i ever recall watching as a little lad (5 at the time) was the FA Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday, thank god the toffees came back to win or i might have been an Owls fan all my life
The team of the late 60s, start of the 70s made a big impression on me. Of course football was full of great players and characters generally in those days. The board criminally allowed decent players go and managers slip through their fingers in the 70s, but even so we should have won the title in 1975 with a generally below par team, fancy losing home and away to rock bottom Carlisle ![]() The FA Cup semi against our Red chums in 77 still rankles, cheers Clive Thomas ! The 77/78 side under Gordon Lee with Dave Thomas, Latchford, McKenzie and co was my most enjoyable side to watch purely in entertainment terms. I much preferred watching the games prior to the EPL coming along, such is life. |
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Yes oh to have my hero Bob Latchford in todays side and Duncan McKenzie. But we have Beto and McNeil, at least Barry appears to be impproving a little.
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Loved Latchford. Very resourceful striker who did what he could do well. What was it Thomas did ( have forgotten )? Thanks. I remember him being considered one of the better senior refs.
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It was one of the biggest travesties of justice in FA Cup history Honcho. Clive Thomas had an ego the size of Jupiter and always wanted to be the star of the show, he was our most well known ref but just look at the catalogue of controversies in his career - two of which involved Brian Hamilton. On that fateful day the semi final was locked at 2-2 with not long left when Hamilton diverted a cross with his body (hip i think) past Ray Clemence for what should have been the winner. Not one Liverpool player appealed but the dastardly Thomas blew up for who knows what ? The linesman kept his flag down but initial feeling was Thomas somehow from his position had given offside, then that was changed to Hamilton handballing because Thomas "sensed" that's what he had done (god give me strength) - it was nowhere near his hand. Thomas even colluded with the linesman after the game saying "we have to get our story straight here" which tells you all you need to know. Many years later Thomas actually admitted he was wrong, bit late now mate ! The mild mannered Bobby Robson hated him, very telling.
Bob Latchford's biography is a great read, obviously deals with his Everton days but also Birmingham, Swansea and England as well as his life after the game. How much would he be worth now? Many younger fans will say Bob who? But he scored more goals than any other player during his top flight career (1972 to 1983), a superb centre forward. It makes you weep to see some of the millionaire numpties masquerading as strikers these days whereas a legend such as Bob (and others of his time) struggled big time after his playing days were over. Reading his book reminds me of how unlucky the side were at times during the 70s, they really should have won at least one league title, maybe two. Great memories though. |
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Thomas, Latchford goal....
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Can't really think of Clive Thomas without
thinking of Treorchy... Motd used to caption refs with their birthplace for some bizarre reason. Also Thomas the Book, lol. He certainly had a few controversial moments. Not least when totally out of his depth in European semi between Holland and Czechoslovakia, and reffing Brazil in world Cup. |
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Thanks all. I remember his haughtiness, had forgotten these wounding decisions.
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Famous as well for blowing for time and disallowing a goal from a corner in a World Cup match between Brazil and Sweden (for Brazil) saying time was up when the corner was taken even though the rules stated the play had to run its course.
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Well remembered.
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When asked after that semi final why he had disallowed the goal, he originally would not clarify the reason why, all he said was "an infringement occurred ". So what was it then !
Took him some time to come up with the line that he had sensed a handball - not sure the laws of the game say you can do that Clive ![]() To rub it in further the Welsh windbag gave Liverpool a soft penalty in the replay which led to them opening the scoring. In the 1975 semi replay between West Ham and Ipswich he chalked off two Ipswich goals with the score at 1-1, including another Hamilton effort which he said was offside even though the linesman did not flag. Bobby Robson was apoplectic and called for an enquiry after the match, Thomas was then furious himself and the two held a mutual dislike for each other ever after. The usually affable captain Mick Mills would never shake hands with Thomas again. That disallowed Brazil goal in 1978 had big repercussions - it meant they did not win the group and faced Argentina in the 2nd round and of course they lost that match. |
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It was a feature of refereeing in those days that some refs. developed a huge sense of outright power fuelled by their egos. “The referees decision is final” almost became a right to practise their tyranny. We had one or two like that up here, notably one JPR Gordon from Airdrie. He would eventually be found guilty of accepting gifts and bribes from one of the Milan clubs ( A.C. I think ) and booted out of the game which was no consolation whatsoever to fans of the lesser clubs he had cheated previously. Now we wish their decision once again was final. At least I do.
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Branthwaite back in the matchday squad I see. Good luck to him.
Patterson benched so not 8mpressing Moyes it seems. |