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27 May 25
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Most pundits believe pep revolutionised football with his robotic football,total possession,use the keeper as an outfield player ,etc etc.
But pep didn’t invent this,it was just his only option.
At Barcelona ,there’s was only 2 teams in the league,so by default they had a lot of possession,hence they used the keeper sweeper to help out,given they spent most of the game in the opponents half.
This system only works if one side is far better than the other,like in Spain.
Bayern was mixed,
But it worked at city,not because of this system,but because the owners spent billions,with massive player churn,until he got the best team.hence they ve ended up breaking financial fair play rules.
The recent champions league semis inter v barca showed us that,attacking open football is the best way when 2 teams are equal,just score 1 more goal than them.
In the premier league,teams who just attack quickly have done well this year,even lesser clubs.
Whilst teams like arsenal,spurs,united,try and keep possession and pass it round the back struggle,because it only works if you are the better team.
Then in the last 10 mins,when this fails,teams revert to all out attack and get results,like united did,putting maguire up front and scoring late on.
If you are an equal team,slow lazy possession doesn’t work,the opposition get time to organise themselves so you can’t score.
Pep’s system also relied on committing a foul as soon as you lose possession,so they can get back to defend they win 4-0 ,so it seems a great game,but it’s just attack for city,defend for opposition.
Now city aren’t just buying all the best players,pep will struggle with his tactics,hence his seat kicking from the touchline.
But pep didn’t invent this,it was just his only option.
At Barcelona ,there’s was only 2 teams in the league,so by default they had a lot of possession,hence they used the keeper sweeper to help out,given they spent most of the game in the opponents half.
This system only works if one side is far better than the other,like in Spain.
Bayern was mixed,
But it worked at city,not because of this system,but because the owners spent billions,with massive player churn,until he got the best team.hence they ve ended up breaking financial fair play rules.
The recent champions league semis inter v barca showed us that,attacking open football is the best way when 2 teams are equal,just score 1 more goal than them.
In the premier league,teams who just attack quickly have done well this year,even lesser clubs.
Whilst teams like arsenal,spurs,united,try and keep possession and pass it round the back struggle,because it only works if you are the better team.
Then in the last 10 mins,when this fails,teams revert to all out attack and get results,like united did,putting maguire up front and scoring late on.
If you are an equal team,slow lazy possession doesn’t work,the opposition get time to organise themselves so you can’t score.
Pep’s system also relied on committing a foul as soon as you lose possession,so they can get back to defend they win 4-0 ,so it seems a great game,but it’s just attack for city,defend for opposition.
Now city aren’t just buying all the best players,pep will struggle with his tactics,hence his seat kicking from the touchline.
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I think he's a very good manager, the only thing annoys me is the idiot overpaid pundits constantly calling him Pep, which leads to even thicker punters calling him Pep.
I don't think CUTH's analysis is quite correct. La Liga was fairly competitive back then with Valencia having won a couple of titles and the likes of Villarreal, Atleti and Sevilla all competitive. He took over a Barca team in the doldrums and turned them into (imo) the best club side we've ever seen. And it was incredibly exciting football, not robotic at all.
He did very well domestically at Bayern but couldn't make the final step in the CL.
And obviously he's continued to be successful at City, eventually taking them to the treble.
He's always been at big clubs and so has always had money to spend but he's also generally been the best wherever he's been.
That said, he's been managing at the top level for nearly twenty years now and every manager and style has a shelf life, and I wonder if he's coming to the end of his.
He did very well domestically at Bayern but couldn't make the final step in the CL.
And obviously he's continued to be successful at City, eventually taking them to the treble.
He's always been at big clubs and so has always had money to spend but he's also generally been the best wherever he's been.
That said, he's been managing at the top level for nearly twenty years now and every manager and style has a shelf life, and I wonder if he's coming to the end of his.
Hard to argue with any of that PoP. I like the style of football too, each to their own I guess.
100% agree with OP.
I despair when watching a girls game in Spain when they played it out from a goal kick. It is bloody hard to do even as a highly paid professional. I remember the times Arsenal tried it, lost it and gave away a goal. This season and last they are so much better at it but at the cost of speed and the counter attack. The point is attackers get paid the best wages to score goals that is the hardest part of the game. Coaches and defenders have caught up and exposed how to defeat Peps system although this season he has not had the best team. Usually the best team wins whatever the system.
What does my swede is the over coaching and percentage type football. I want to see players taking a chance with a long pass, or forward pass in the final third or taking a player on with the ball. That is what makes the game exciting. The Wilkins crab shuffle is boring.
The low block is the way to play now against better financed teams. It is a great equaliser like muddy pitches. You cannot stop speed with money. You can counter it with speedy defenders but you cannot stop even poor people from running fast. The other thing I would do when playing the aristo's is make the pitch disgustingly small to the limits of the rules. If you are not cheating you are not trying hard enough!
I despair when watching a girls game in Spain when they played it out from a goal kick. It is bloody hard to do even as a highly paid professional. I remember the times Arsenal tried it, lost it and gave away a goal. This season and last they are so much better at it but at the cost of speed and the counter attack. The point is attackers get paid the best wages to score goals that is the hardest part of the game. Coaches and defenders have caught up and exposed how to defeat Peps system although this season he has not had the best team. Usually the best team wins whatever the system.
What does my swede is the over coaching and percentage type football. I want to see players taking a chance with a long pass, or forward pass in the final third or taking a player on with the ball. That is what makes the game exciting. The Wilkins crab shuffle is boring.
The low block is the way to play now against better financed teams. It is a great equaliser like muddy pitches. You cannot stop speed with money. You can counter it with speedy defenders but you cannot stop even poor people from running fast. The other thing I would do when playing the aristo's is make the pitch disgustingly small to the limits of the rules. If you are not cheating you are not trying hard enough!
Sometimes a long pass is the percentage play
Rugby and American football limit forward passes
because they are so effective in some situations.
Pep picked up on possession being banned in basketball
and lack of a shot clock, and no front court to back court
violation alongside side full court and half court presses
to build a footy system.. But likely he's never
played rugby...
Rugby and American football limit forward passes
because they are so effective in some situations.
Pep picked up on possession being banned in basketball
and lack of a shot clock, and no front court to back court
violation alongside side full court and half court presses
to build a footy system.. But likely he's never
played rugby...
Pep picked up on overlong possession being banned in basketball
and lack of a shot clock in football, and no front court to back court
violation, alongside implementing full court and half court presses
to build a footy system.. But likely he's never
played rugby...
and lack of a shot clock in football, and no front court to back court
violation, alongside implementing full court and half court presses
to build a footy system.. But likely he's never
played rugby...
you need to hope that WILL FELLA fails at Southampton as he makes pep look like ANGE AND ARRY REDKNAPP combined
Southampton were way too possession based on arrival in prem league anyway
Newcastle down to 10 men, but 1 up, and soton just wanted to keep ball
and take potshots... 78% possession 4 shots on target
Would hate to see a team take that more possession based
Newcastle down to 10 men, but 1 up, and soton just wanted to keep ball
and take potshots... 78% possession 4 shots on target
Would hate to see a team take that more possession based
saw the WILL FOOTBALL MANAGER FELLA on MNF, all straight and horizontal lines across the pitch no your lanes
said in a team talk 20 grand a week players would only listen to him for 6,7 mins before they lost interest,for a 100 quid sky viewers had to listen to him for over an HR, carra fell asleep after 15 mins
said in a team talk 20 grand a week players would only listen to him for 6,7 mins before they lost interest,for a 100 quid sky viewers had to listen to him for over an HR, carra fell asleep after 15 mins
It’s really difficult to assess if pep is great or not,
Surely managers of lesser teams,with small budgets,balancing different tactics to who you are playing are better.
Pep’s career,get best team and players.accept you ll have the ball a lot and teams will sit back,make keeper and defenders part of the attack because you haven’t got the numbers up front.if lose ball and they try and break fast,commit foul ,stop game.
All his teams played the same way,he’s never had to find a solution or different way to win.he seems to be good with man to man management,making superstars play for him.given he’s always had the best players on the most money all he needs to do is ask them to try a bit.
Possession suits everyone,
Players
Don’t have to run to much
Rack up opta points for pass completions ,so your stats look good
Move the ball on,so no responsibility or risk.
Do this well and wait for extension to contract.
It’s crazy that teams only start to play on 80mins when they need a goal.do this earlier,the manager should make this happen with tactics and subs.
Ruben,mainoo came on as sub in final,on 88 mins.what is the logic,quality player,
If losing 1-0. Why make any sub at 88mins,its a time wasting tactic,it can’t alter the game that late.literally last throw of dice desperation tactic.
Surely managers of lesser teams,with small budgets,balancing different tactics to who you are playing are better.
Pep’s career,get best team and players.accept you ll have the ball a lot and teams will sit back,make keeper and defenders part of the attack because you haven’t got the numbers up front.if lose ball and they try and break fast,commit foul ,stop game.
All his teams played the same way,he’s never had to find a solution or different way to win.he seems to be good with man to man management,making superstars play for him.given he’s always had the best players on the most money all he needs to do is ask them to try a bit.
Possession suits everyone,
Players
Don’t have to run to much
Rack up opta points for pass completions ,so your stats look good
Move the ball on,so no responsibility or risk.
Do this well and wait for extension to contract.
It’s crazy that teams only start to play on 80mins when they need a goal.do this earlier,the manager should make this happen with tactics and subs.
Ruben,mainoo came on as sub in final,on 88 mins.what is the logic,quality player,
If losing 1-0. Why make any sub at 88mins,its a time wasting tactic,it can’t alter the game that late.literally last throw of dice desperation tactic.
Pep coming to the end,
Age or desire can only bring a good manager to the end.
A naturally good manager ,just solves problems,it’s simple,assess situation,find a solution.(not on 88mins).
Loads of footballers aren’t clever enough to be managers,they can’t solve problems,
Fergies players who failed
Giggs
Neville’s
Rooney
Etc etc.
The great players crap manager are because they just repeat what other managers have done,but every problem is new,so copy and paste doesn’t work.
Ole solskar,watched the game and studied defenders,then came on and scored from a weakness he’d spotted,he did ok as a manager.
You see some subs,no boots on,no shin pads,not warmed up,not listening to coaches with the iPads,then when they retire announce they want to be a manager,then .some idiotic chairman gives him a job and they get relegated.
I reckon a mathematics professor,who holds a season ticket for a team for 20 years,would make a great manager.
Understanding football,and problem solving,understanding people.
Wayne Rooney,left school at 12,boxer or football,brilliant player,thick as pig shot.
Gets club after club,and when that fails,bbc get him on,offers nothing off the pitch,great on it.
Age or desire can only bring a good manager to the end.
A naturally good manager ,just solves problems,it’s simple,assess situation,find a solution.(not on 88mins).
Loads of footballers aren’t clever enough to be managers,they can’t solve problems,
Fergies players who failed
Giggs
Neville’s
Rooney
Etc etc.
The great players crap manager are because they just repeat what other managers have done,but every problem is new,so copy and paste doesn’t work.
Ole solskar,watched the game and studied defenders,then came on and scored from a weakness he’d spotted,he did ok as a manager.
You see some subs,no boots on,no shin pads,not warmed up,not listening to coaches with the iPads,then when they retire announce they want to be a manager,then .some idiotic chairman gives him a job and they get relegated.
I reckon a mathematics professor,who holds a season ticket for a team for 20 years,would make a great manager.
Understanding football,and problem solving,understanding people.
Wayne Rooney,left school at 12,boxer or football,brilliant player,thick as pig shot.
Gets club after club,and when that fails,bbc get him on,offers nothing off the pitch,great on it.
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