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premiership sides away to EFL opposition keep sending B teams.....making the matches far more even than they appear on paper although the betting seems to be set as if it was a full strength squad.....so for that fact alone i would agree....its a competition that has lost its appeal...
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premiership sides away to EFL opposition keep sending B teams
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Leeds did but they are a premiership team in the making.....most others need the cash cow it brings if they can get a televised game......not an expert on every EFL team but i would be very surprised if that was the case.....
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It's less of a farce for most PL sides since they introduced the EL place for winning it. But no CL club or club with its eyes on top 5 should be prioritising it and they generally play second string until the SF. If they took 30m from the PL pool and gave it as a prize it would be different. A drop in the ocean.
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Since 1996 only 3 teams have won the FA Cup, who were not one of the following
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The reality is for the top clubs and fans of the top clubs, is that the growth of the Champions League, i.e, more teams being allowed in, has simply diluted the mystique and magic of the cup, that along with the saturation of football coverage and content in general available on a multitude of differing platforms thanks to the exponential technological advancements over the years in regards to the internet, streaming and on demand services, people can now watch what they want, when they want, how they want, years ago the FA Cup final could be the only live football match most people would see on terrestrial tv in a whole season so it stands to reason that by nature and over time, it will have lost a lost of it's appeal, grandeur and prestige in the hearts and minds of the average supporter of a super club, especially the younger generation who are no longer even old enough to remember CD's and DVD's.
It's also no where near important or relevant to the owners because of money, even since Sky came on the scene 30 odds years ago drowning the league in cash with their huge broadcasting deals and the league being sold around the world, millionaire owners became billionaire owners, billionaire owned sides morphed into state run clubs and with it they all have bare minimal interest in a little cup that gives them very little monetary rewards let alone credibility amongst their wealthy playmates, and no manager is judged by it in turn. Brentford being the Premier League pauper as the only club not owned by someone worth at least 10 figures but it's only a matter of time before that changes being a London club. Fans of clubs not traditionally in Europe or in the lowers leagues will still love a cup run, but the days of it being the pinnacle of English football for all fans alike have long since gone and wont be coming back, 17th in the league is worth more than an FA Cup economically and for attracting players thanks to the wages a Premier League side could offer them. Wenger was right when he said top 4 was a trophy, because being in the Champions League means more to modern day fans, modern day players and modern day owners than the a domestic cup competition does. The dwindling interest is reflected by the TV coverage, no longer has it's own day, no longer has several hours worth of build up and in some years has even been sandwiched in between Premier League matches which tells you where television's priorities lie. It was great whilst it lasted but we've outgrown it as a nation, bit like Soap Operas, used to be 20 million watching per episode, an era where Soap stars where Rock stars, now less than 2 million and you wouldn't recognise any of them if they walked past you in the street. Kind Regards. |
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It's sad that the youth of today will never begin to realise JUST HOW BIG the FA Cup used to be
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grayhawk10 Feb 25 02:32Joined: 05 Oct 06 | Topic/replies: 30,172 | Blogger: grayhawk's blog
It's sad that the youth of today will never begin to realise JUST HOW BIG the FA Cup used to be Top post, and may I add in home internationals possibly ? |
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Last team to win it outside the top tier was West Ham from the Second Division 45 years ago in 1980. So total nonsense being talked here as usual about whether top sides care about winning it.
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let the franchises in the prem league go to their European super league and let the normal clubs get on with reclaiming our great domestic heritage.
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the top sides can field a 2nd 11 and usually still win ( not Liverpool yesterday but that's an exception ) Doesn't mean they care like they did years ago. Of course Man U care because the can't win anything else.
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Great post mes
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Who remembers the days of 6th round, 4th replay
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I've found this weeks FA Cup a nightmare to bet on.
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SirNorbertClarke Joined: 11 Aug 21
Replies: 1277610 Feb 25 15:00 Who remembers the days of 6th round, 4th replay Never mind four replays but remember 1979 Arsenal v Sheffield Wednesday. Sheffield Wednesday v Arsenal – this Third Round FA Cup clash at a snowy Hillsborough in January 1979 was the first of a series of five games between Division Three side Wednesday and First Division Arsenal. At the time, Cup ties were played to the death, without penalty shoot-outs. It took nine hours of football and four replays, three of them going to extra time, to separate the two teams. The last three fixtures were played at Leicester’s Filbert Street, with all the ties being played within a 16-day period. The five ties: 1. Sheffield Wednesday – Arsenal; Hillsborough, FA Cup Third Round, Saturday 6 January 1979: 1-1 (Jeff Johnson; Alan Sunderland). Attendance: 33,635 2. Arsenal – Sheffield Wednesday; Highbury, FA Cup Third Round Replay, Tuesday 9 January 1979: 1-1 a.e.t. (Liam Brady; Rodger Wylde). Attendance: 37,987 3. Arsenal – Sheffield Wednesday; Filbert Street, FA Cup Third Round Second Replay, Monday 15 January 1979: 2-2 a.e.t. (Liam Brady, Alan Sunderland; Brian Hornsby 2). Attendance: 25,011 4. Arsenal – Sheffield Wednesday; Filbert Street, FA Cup Third Round Third Replay, Wednesday 17 January 1979: 3-3 a.e.t. (Frank Stapleton 2, Willie Young; David Rushbury, John Lowey, Brian Hornsby). Attendance: 17,008 5. Arsenal – Sheffield Wednesday; Filbert Street, FA Cup Third Round Fourth Replay, Monday 22 January 1979: 2-0 (Steve Gatting, Frank Stapleton). Attendance: 30,275 |
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The Filbert St pitch would have been a cabbage field after 6 hours of football in 7 days
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i remember mighty leeds, with bremner, giles, lorimer etc taking 3 attempts to knock out non league wimbledon.
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and liverpool drawing 2-2 at anfield with doncaster rover, keegan, heighway, hughes et al
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It's mostly just fans of the so called elitist clubs who deny the overall popularity of fans for the FA Cup .
I Remember the time Man Utd actually refused to enter so as to play in something abroad called The World Club Championship and was severely criticised for it. https://www.90min.com/posts/remembering-man-utd-s-fa-cup-withdrawal-fifa-club-world-championship-venture |
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Utd should have fielded a reserve side in the Cup that year though would probably have been criticised for that as well.
The FA were desperate for Utd to play in the Club World Championship with a view to their World cup bid. Have to say there were some worrying low attendances in the FA Cup over the weekend so it's not entirely an illusion that the lustre of the comp is fading..(something I certainly take no joy in). |
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no problem with sides fielding weakened teams,huge problems with comms/pundits taking people for fools saying that l,pool side on Sunday was best in world,always scores blah ,blah
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That was the 2000 fa cup sparrow which leads to the question who knocked Darlington out of that seasons fa cup ?
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Talking about replays the 1970 semi final between Leeds and united took 3 games hillsbourgh,villa park,and finally burnden park ,I think this is where the hatred between the two clubs started.
Incidentally jack taylor referees all 3 games and went on to referee the 1974 World Cup final. |
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I remember at school (so it would be mid to late '70s) someone had brought a tranny radio in on the monday, so that we could hear the Cup draw at lunchtime.
A few of us had gathered around the radio to listen... and when Wolves were drawn out first, we all went beserk, cheering and making a racket... problem was, nobody had heard who we had been drawn to play. We had to wait till the end of the draw and they went through it again to find out who we were gonna play |
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Happy days Mecca the Monday dinner time fa cup draw all these years later although at different times I still very much look forward to the draw.
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My team was in 3 semi final draws in the 70s and whilst who we got was important where the game as played was just as important however that wouldn’t be announced until later in the day or even the next day.
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Hillsborough or Villa Park pretty short prices !
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It's a different world today... kids now would have no clue what a transistor radio was
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I went to a Semi final replay once... Wolves v Spurs .. at Arsenals highbury!!
not very midway ... but saying that I have also been to a couple of semi finals at Villa Park which is close to us (lost them all) |
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Yes Brentford it usually was those to although places like main road ,gooderson and even highfield road got games.
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Mecca I still have a small one which I take with me when walking.
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Would that be 81 at Highbury?
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Maine Road was an obvious one I missed out (still gutted couldn't get a ticket for 85 replay) but hadn't realised how many Highbury got.. and Goodison Park and even Stamford Bridge a few having had a quick squint on wiki...
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I'm not sure ... but '81 is about right.
2-2 draw at Hillsborough ... then replay at Arsenal.. Spurs won 3-0 with a wonder goal from Ricky Villa |
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Ricky Villa got another wonder goal in the final v Man City
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Yes Brentford Southampton beat palace at Stamford bridge in 76
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The spurs wolves game I remember most is the 72 uefa cup final over two legs I was always a fan of John Richard’s so wanted wolves to win
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JR still known as The King around here.... he was actually awarded "The freedom of the city" just a couple of weeks ago
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That’s nice
Between 3and5 in my favourite games I’ve been to was at wolves the 1976 fa cup quarter final replay a proper fa cup night. |