NEXT ENGLAND MANAGER ....

my position on this

25	Potter		150	Rob Edwards
20	Carsley		299	Dyche
95	Eddie		165	Gary O'Neill
117	Pochetinno		58	Carrick
279	Lampard		102	Gerrard
77	Tuchel		80	Sarina Weigman
140	Klopp		539	Brendan Rodgers
230	Pep		30	Any Other
120	Ange

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For Howe its a punt. Your average manager is lucky to get 3/4 seasons at a club and that includes them having a decent start at the club.

Its no major shock to me if Newcastle start badly this season that fans start calling for Howes head.

IMHO if he knows there will be a minimum spend and only 1 or 2 half decent signings, i'd bin off Newcastle and take the England job.

He's guaranteed at least 4 years (worst case scenario) and unless he stinks the shop up (Unlikely as he has shown he is a decent coach), he will get another PL job at maybe a West Ham level.

Hes a very good coach/manager but he has been strung up with this PSR bull5hit. I also get the impression he didnt get on with Ashworth and faling out with DOFs usually marks your card with owners like Newcastles who don't like being dictated to.

Yeah, agree with that Racing. Though I think Newcastle fans would back him in a difficut start.

But the changes at Newcastle must concern him. Reported that players can now be signed without his agreement...

and worse, he seems to have been blamed for the club's injury list and some 'injury expert' has been brought in to oversee training sessions and tell Eddie what he is doing wrong.

I'd advise him to take the England job. As said, even if it doesn't go great he'd likely get a West Ham, or even Spurs level job in the aftermath.

The England job might not come around again for 6 years and if Newcastle ends in a sacking his career might take a turn for the worse.

BennyBinion1 25 Jul 24 12:54 
Of course the leftie loony had a lucky streak!






Benny Bunion

'lurka is spot on'

Was a bit verbose for me

This is the most inactive market I've ever been involved in.

I blame the FA; no info coming out about the process even unoffically.

Remember the 2006 one, we had an official 4 man shortlist, and there were regular updates about the interview process, Martin O'Neill's power point presentations etc

Then they offered it to Scolari, who wasn't on the shortlist.

Here there is absolutely nothing to go on at all. Google for info and you just get betting order lists

FA Board gives formal approval for foreign manager to take England job following request from chief executive Mark Bullingham. Full story ⁦@sportguardian⁩

Interesting development.

Not moved market much. Maybe we will start getting info though on interviews etc

Aug 5, 2024 -- 9:07PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

FA Board gives formal approval for foreign manager to take England job following request from chief executive Mark Bullingham. Full story ⁦@sportguardian⁩

Poch incoming

Joachim Löw needs to pull his finger out and get his application in.

Poch would be perfect but an Argentine managing England?

I mean, yeah but i suppose you could also throw Germany, France and 50 other countries into that

No chance for Moyes then

England U21s boss Lee Carsley is in line to take charge of the England men's senior team for next month's Nations League matches, as the FA continues its process to appoint a long-term successor to Gareth Southgate.

Sky Sports News has been told the FA has yet to speak formally to many of the candidates on its shortlist. It is clear the governing body will take its time to make the right appointment. (sky sports news)

Sky Sports News has been told by betfair market that the FA has yet to speak formally....

Fixed it for them

We are all looking for clues...

I think 'market' might be stretching it having just looked at it...

Well yeah, but that's exactly the point.

If he makes England purr, the job is surely his. Greened out on Carsley's drop. That'll do.

He only needs to do 3 games and is settled as winner

No one else wants the job. He's the only option.

He might do well.Read he plays decent football.

Am I reading this wrong Tobes; so far he's lined up for 2 games only

They have 2 Nations League games, 7th and 10th Sept. Then 2 more, 10th and 13th Oct,then 2 more, 14th and 17th Nov.

Carsley backers hoping no one else is appointed full time before 10th October

The FA has said, Carsley will be in charge for those games ( 7th and 10th Sept) "with a view to remaining in the position throughout autumn while the FA's recruitment process for a new permanent head coach continues".

Thanks TTT

Ashley Cole has been appointed assistant coach to interim England manager Lee Carsley.

Joleon Lescott will also join Carsley’s temporary staff alongside Tim Dittmer, the FA’s head of coaching.

England also confirm Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink has left his role as coach.

They should give Joleon Lescott the job imho

Whatever the F A do
They will not get a character in the job like Klop
they will get a cap doffer
dead afraid to call a spade a spade

If ashley cole brings his mentors  (Andy Mcdermidd)  attitude and ability in coaching thats going to be good

Have been told that the daily r press the daily mail and the metro and the guardian and the Liverpool echo and the Sunday Times are 1\5 on

Market #1 settled

Market #2 required

If he was still alive: Tony Hancock!

pocket talking here but why was market 1 settled before tonights match

speaking after a shocking 2-1 defeat to Greece -- England's first-ever loss to the Greeks -- at Wembley on Thursday, the 50-year-old appeared to play down his prospects.

"I was quite surprised after the last camp in terms of 'the job is mine' and 'it's mine to lose' and all the rest of it," Carsley told a news conference. "My remit has been clear from the start. I'm doing three camps. There are three games left and then hopefully I'll be going back to the Under-21s."

Now that's interesting and will probably be the outcome if that's how he feels.

Back to Frank Lampard?

paid out so happy with that

I can't see them confirming him after that.

But if Betfair started another market today with the same rules he would win again with another 3 of these games to go.

So makes sense to open the next one after the Finland game.

I was on Lampard and a few others. Managed to green up across the board on Carsley. Nice little nick.

I'd rather have Thomas Tuchel with a toothbrush mustache, than this slippery looking, England hater...

needs a top top manager like a Klopp

Tuchel can't handle big players apparently, his my way or the high way is out of touch with modern players, would not work, I'd keep Carsley til next summer then go for Ancelotti.

I think I'll reserve judgement on Carsley for the next few games. Don't want Tuchel, obviously would take Klopp, but still prefer an English manager if possible. Not everyone's favourite, but I'd consider Lampard and before anyone comments, don't forget, we took Allardyce.

Klopp making noises...

Go on... ?

Klopp has literally just got the job as Redbull Soccer boss..

Aye, rule out England for klopp.

Tuchel would be good for England. He is one of the best coaches in KO tournaments. He also seems to have a lot of love for English football, moreso than German. His problems at Dortmund and PSG were primarily with DOFs and their signing players for him that he didn't want or ask for. That obviously wouldn't apply for England.

What big name players was he not able to handle? He is stubborn and has a big ego but his problems at club level stem mainly from people seeking to undermine him doing his job. Once he gets the hump the wheels can come off pretty quickly but international football might actually suit him perfectly.

The tabloids have some interesting background on Tuchel, by all accounts. I'd be surprised if the FA would touch him with a bargepole.

I'd say the FA wouldn't want him, they'd see him as potential trouble.
A lot of talk re Pep who everyone would want but in a KO tournament I think Tuchel might be better.
Pep's system seems to take new players a long time to learn but with so many clone/similar managers in the PL now he'd have a lot of players with a good understanding of it.

tuchel met fa officials today

'Tuchel would be good for England. He is one of the best coaches in KO tournaments' - The KO bit is the most important really. These tournaments are a bit of lottery and almost anyone can win. Not like a league where the quality shows with time.
Maybe the best league coaches don't make the best tournament coaches...

Thomas Tuchel 'agrees to become England manager' as unveiling date emerges

Former Chelsea boss Thomas Tuchel will become the permanent successor to Gareth Southgate as England manager after agreeing a deal with Football Association chiefs

contract signed per sky

contract signed per sky

he's fecking useless so it's a good fit

Useless? From a manager who has won nothing to a guy who has won the champions league.. sounds pretty good to me

wow
that all we got
bet the $ not a problem

gone within 12 months

Wouldn't be my first choice....but he's won trophies.

Would have preferred Pep if we're going with an overseas Manager. I can only assume him and Eddie Howe turned the FA down

Can't believe Tuchel. He looks like a manic depressive when ever I have seen him on the touchline. Has he ever smiled in his life?

How about Potter? I don't think he got a fair crack at Chelsea and Brighton played some really good stuff under him

He'll probably smile if Germany stuff us sage As for Pep, he was never going to leave until the end of the season and it appears they didn't trust Carsley so they've gone for the next best... imo.

Tuchel knows how to win games.

Interesting to see how long press give him
if he hums deuchland uber alles at world cup.

He's a massive step up from Gareth, like he was from Lampard at Chelsea. He did a great job there, didn't score many goals but didn't have a striker after Lukaku flopped and he had to work with Werner who was awful. The sanctions in his 2nd season didn't help but he still went close to knocking Real out.

United should have gone in for him, maybe they did in the summer?

England prob have the best manager in international football now. Great news for them with the WC coming up.

I always thought he looked like a junkie in post-match interviews at Chelsea, with his nike baseball cap and tracksuit.

Doubt he'll get as lucky with draws as Gareth did tho.

Lee Carsley, who the Football Association put in charge on an interim basis, will remain in place for England's final two Nations League matches against Greece and the Republic of Ireland in November, with Tuchel set to formally take over after that.

Why not put him straight in?

lets be honest , tutchell got an easy job, that most of us could do, qualify for world cuos, euros, , so easy these days, the test comes when he gets to the quarters and beyond  of these events

I think he's the right choice. I think he'll be good for England, and the players. He's far superior to Mr Southgate or Mr Carsley. Also, the England players know what they are in for with him.

Prima donnas please exit!

Pretty happy with the news

Better than Southgate and Carsley, I agree
But not exactly an exciting appointment
Is there nobody English good enough?
A sad situation if the case, but the job is not the ultimate recognition it once was

Yes great choice in my book.

Decent enough appointment all be it slightly surprising in my view..

can see some discontent developing in the dynamics as time goes by (whether with players or FA) but wish him well and wish him success..

Could have got Fergie after he was released yesterday... all about timing

Tuchel did well to win the Champions League and the German Cup with Dortmund is good but his other honours don't really count for much.


A couple of league titles and a handful of domestic cups with PSG, but quite frankly it would be odd if PSG didn't win.

Bundesliga with Bayern, but then they had won it for previous 10 (ten) consecutive seasons.

UEFA Super Cup with Chelsea, against the mighty Villareal.

Club World Cup with Chelsea, somehow overcoming al-Hilal and Palmeiras.

He has a lot of medals but only two that are really worth anything.

Fair points lybertyne, but what had Southgate won and look what he achieved with England. I don't feel it would take a big improvement to push us one step further. For me and the majority (it would appear) it's an improvement.

My concern is if he can hold it together. Seems to be a little temperamental at times, like the handshake with Conte, for example, and can he get the dressing room onside; something which Southgate managed to do, which probably helped our progress tbf.

Taking the dressing room forward is vital.

Maybe Ben white could be acid test.

It is a wait and sed situation. He clearly has some sort of nous but is also a ticking time bomb. There will be no transfer arguments just behavioural issues as to what is expected of an England manager by the FA. He is no doubt his own man but that is one major issue. The other is can is hold the team?

Personally J hope he builds the team around Bellingham and plays the best player in each position. I am fed up of the Gerrard or Lampard argument when the answer was Scholes.

There is a lot of talent to work with. They cannot all play as Carsley was smart enough to show everybody who called for that.

Still can't work out why he can't start immediately; answers on a postcard. Nevertheless, with two games to go I'm hopeful that some of our players will bust a gut against Greece and Ireland and put us back playing teams that will really test us. They'll surely want to make an impression.

Maybe Ben white could be acid test.

Ben White has his head screwed on.

Every few weeks he gets two weeks off to rest his body. Probably be increasing the age he can play to.

Training camp in Finland or a week in the sun? No contest.

Don't want to get the blame and pressure for not getting promotion from the NL in his first two games is one very good reason.  What a massive bet Greece at 7/4 is to win the group btw.  Second reason is to have more time to prepare and watch players, and opposition.

Explains Carsley’s responses, as by all account agreement with Tuchel was reached a couple of weeks ago.

Tuchel might be good as a coach in this role. Might not. But there is an idea that England is a sleeping giant awaiting the kiss of some managerial genius. I just see a below elite international team. England might eventually win a Euros. But I don’t see them being good enough to trouble the scorers in the World Cup. We're just not that good. Hope I’m wrong.

Press conference was a bit depressing (not his fault). Some idiot even asked the ‘Will you sing the National Anthem’ question. Because that will make a huge difference to team performance.

A champions league winning side also winning the CWC and Super Cup is never going to be impressive.
He was never going to win the league in England or Germany against Pep. Dortmund sold 3 of his best performers in Gundo, Hummels and Mhiki and replaced them with youngsters after his 1st season. Dortmund's team bus was bombed in his 2nd season and the club agreed to UEFA's demand to play the Monaco game the following day, against his wishes. He won the German Cup a month after that.

He seems to have a rep as a negative, defensive coach in England because of his time at Chelsea. He doesn't have that rep anywhere else, he's always been known as a superb attacking coach who adapts his teams to expose the weakness of the opponent. He had to be defensive with that Chelsea side to be successful. If anything it highlights his versatility rather than negativity and that is a good thing for England because you have to be able to play like that to win tournaments.

Just found out it's an 18 month contract... Pep?

Apologies Clydebank, thanks for the reply. Still seems strange not to get started ASAP. He would have two games in a competition that few care about against lesser and beatable opposition. What better way to get your feet under the table. He'll have plenty of time between internationals for all the other stuff.

In 1917, the name of the British royal house was changed from the German Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to the English Windsor, taking its name from the royal residence in Berkshire.

watch wait and see is mvho

From here on in, the pressure is going to build... Squeaky bum syndrome on all the Anti-England brigade as they start worrying about the inevitable..

I honestly believe it's gonna happen.   FIFA World Cup - Winner 2026

Can I have some of what you're on.

one...

looks a great appointment, hopefully he has second thoughts and slings it, after that nonsense at press conference about singing a song.

Sam Wallace in the Telegraph

12 October - says appointment of Pep would be shooting for the stars and most ambitious project for FA since Wembley rebuild

15 October - after Tuchel announced says that FA should have hired an English coach and hiring a foreigner goes against everything International football exists for.

These are the type of morally bankrupt cretins who drive the poppy/anthem narrative. Can't think of another country who goes on like this. Maybe the US would, seeing as they play their anthem before network televised domestic league games.

Newspapers!

i don't think Ireland asked their new manager if he would sing national anthem, or even bygone days big Jack legendary England world cup winner, but nobody expected him to sing the anthem, this english mob are weirdos currently, never used to be like that, remember gazza (real player better than moderate they have now) making faces, laughing and joking during anthem

I like Tuchel, but it is a sad incitement English football coaches that the FA thinks so little of them that they hire a German who's been out of a job for the last few months, though if England do win the World Cup in America in 2026, nobody will care where the manager was from.

Probably the first time I can remember England hiring an elite level manager in his prime, it's a good appointment so you can't criticise the FA for actually wanting to win something, it's not their fault English coaches are useless. Last time an English manager won an FA Cup was Redknapp in 2008, last time an English manager who a top level league was Howard Wilkinson in 1990, last time an English manager who any European trophy was Tony Barton in 1982, all of this if My Name was Sam Allerdich or Sean Dychindinho I'd be managing a top level English club is bollox, if you're good enough you'd be given the job.

Having said all that, I don't think it should ever have been allowed from the off to allow foreign coaches taking over random international football sides, the whole point of international football is country v country, that should clearly extend to the manager given he is the the one orchestrating everything, i.e. the most important person in the whole setup, everything stems from the manager. That probably would have meant going along with Lee Carsley, who would ultimately have failed, putting more emphasis and funding into developing Elite English coaches, Kind Regards.

Mesmerised the incel is back.

I make you right Mes, regarding foreign coaches managing national teams. I'm not unhappy with the appointment of Tuchel, but still rather see an English manager. It should the rule.

It's not the rule though, and I think he's a good appointment for them, my concern is if I was English the players are not as good as made out to be, I was watching a wee bit of football nostalgia last night, it was Paul Scholes, do you think any of current squad could lace his boots ? BTW i'm not a Man U fan

I agree that foreign coaches should be banned
and assistant coaches, etc, etc.



But they are not, and we should get best coach available
under the rules.

If citeh, real, bayern, want a new manager what's the chances
they get an engerlish man?


We have an odd culture where intelligence in
football is not cherished, whilst often it's simply
kicked out in youth teams in favour of thugs.

Same old arguments, decade after decade

Not involved in fitba for a long, long time, but if you look it in regards greyhound racing, I could train a fast dog easily, but I couldn't rear a fast dog, there is probably too much resources paid at end game with respect to real young players development and I mean from 11 upwards, no doubt the coaches at real young level are dedicated, however if I ran a club, highly unlikely, I would pay top coaches to work with really young players.

I know people who work at big clubs who work with young players and without being disrespectful, they don't know the game, if you start badly you finish badly as we all know in greyhounds.