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lof2010
08 Jul 24 20:35
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Hello , a friend of my son as managed to deposit £1500 with a top bookmaker  ,and   increase it to £10,000 betting on corners market, including games in the euros,when trying to withdraw  the money ,was accused of match fixing and had is original deposit of £1500 returned  but wont return  his winnings ,is this allowed.
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Report TameTheTiger July 8, 2024 8:46 PM BST
Contact IBAS
Report lof2010 July 8, 2024 8:52 PM BST
thanks ,passed on advice.
Report Regbutler July 8, 2024 10:27 PM BST
Hello, this seems very strange

Did the bookie actually accuse him of match fixing?
As if a punter could fix the number of corners in a Euro match... Even if he could, the sums you're talking of would not make it happen

More info required
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 8, 2024 10:29 PM BST
If the bookie repeats that claim to ibas a good libel
lawyer would be best option.
Report Regbutler July 8, 2024 10:57 PM BST
As yhtl says

A top bookie you say, any chance of naming them?
Report Regbutler July 8, 2024 10:59 PM BST
BTW, lof2010, I'm not suggesting that it didn't happen, far from it

Would just like some more info, can't stand welching bookies
Report sparrow July 9, 2024 9:04 AM BST
OP needs to elaborate
Report ashbourne July 9, 2024 11:13 AM BST
'including games in the euros' If all the bets were on the Euro games then i'm sure the bookie doesn't have a chance.
If the majority of the gains were made on obscure matches and only a small amount of 'cover play' on the Euros, then it's something different? good luck with it anyway
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 9, 2024 1:27 PM BST
Betweigh or Quinbet?
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 9, 2024 1:28 PM BST
Sounds like one of them to me
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 9, 2024 1:39 PM BST
I've said this before but a friend of mine took L@dbrokes to the small claims court (he'd backed Hamilton in several shops to win SPOTY at 16/1 and they wanted to give him 6/1 or something similar) and they never showed up.  There are things he can do.  Post details on TrustPilot, email Sportsbook Review, write to odds comparison sites and the newspapers, use IBAS or Resolver.  My friend went straight to the small claims court.
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 9, 2024 1:43 PM BST
actually he went to IBAS first, then the Small Claims Court.  IBAS were useless despite the evidence being totally in my friends favour.  He is fastidious in documenting evidence. I try to remember to do the same.  Nearly always photograph and screenshot evidence where I think there is the potential for a bookie to welch.
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 9, 2024 1:49 PM BST
The problem with IBAS is that you don't know what the other side is saying, so they can tell a pack of lies and you can't counter that.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 9, 2024 1:58 PM BST
Review sites and comparison sites are full of negative feedback
as are most social media sites, and it doesn't seem
to bother bookies.

Well done your mate taking it beyond ibas.

I do think ibas is a good first step, as sometimes a court
will have expected you to have gone through attempted
negotiated settlement first.
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 9, 2024 2:12 PM BST
Way back in 2002, a company called Betworld were avoiding paying me and BetBrain intervened and I got paid out.  They went bust a few months later.  Trustpilot have also come to my aid as the bookie responded when they were ignoring emails.
Report mesmerised July 9, 2024 2:13 PM BST
Would like to know the matches 'your friend' bet on in corners

A 'top bookie' wouldn't do make that accusation willy nilly, a fly by night bookie would, so I imagine they were bets on corners, in matches always with the same ref, in a low level league, and he probably never bet on anything else.
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 9, 2024 2:20 PM BST
Could be mes but I doubt it.  What I suspect is much more likely that the bookie thinks the young lad is betting on someone else's behalf.  They've got no proof and have made up the match fixing allegation in the hope that if they are right the matter won't be pursued.
Report mesmerised July 9, 2024 2:44 PM BST
Only just realised the OP threw in a game in the Euro's, maybe he bet on a high level game to throw the bookies off the scent.

Corner betting is difficult, there's no real rhyme or reason to it and results have always seemed more random than other markets like goals or cards where stats are more prevelant and useful, to increase your ROI by that much on a market like that seems suspicious in itself, I would guess he was betting on the fewest amount of corners he could, i.e unders, and the dodgy officials kept given a goal kick instead.
Report lof2010 July 9, 2024 2:47 PM BST
Would like to know the matches 'your friend' bet on in corners   ,nothing dodgy  , some where at the euros ,so no illegal activity.
Report lof2010 July 9, 2024 2:49 PM BST
his system ,was along the lines of backing corners after the 70th minute .
Report lof2010 July 9, 2024 2:59 PM BST
this is a young lad ,from a mining village in south yorkshire ,whos had a bit of luck NO conspiracy.
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 9, 2024 2:59 PM BST
You really need to name the bookie.  If it's a bookie that you can take to a UK small claims court, that is the way to go, after pursuing other avenues first.
Report lof2010 July 9, 2024 3:05 PM BST
its one of the big six.
Report mesmerised July 9, 2024 3:05 PM BST
1,500 > 10,000 betting on corners after 70 minutes, would LOVE to know this amazing system that yields that kind of quick profit.
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 9, 2024 3:08 PM BST
who are the big 6 iyo?
Report lof2010 July 9, 2024 3:09 PM BST
laddies bet365 WH coral skybet paddy power.
Report Latalomne July 9, 2024 3:11 PM BST
I love the idea that they've accused him of fixing LaughLaughLaugh
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 9, 2024 3:20 PM BST
lof I've sent you a private message
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 9, 2024 3:26 PM BST
Fred Done seething that you haven't put him in the big 6
Report DIE LINKE July 9, 2024 5:17 PM BST
Should be ecstatic with money back, that Chinese couple got to star in their own slasher movie for this.
Report kincsem July 9, 2024 10:47 PM BST
My guess is it probably is allowed.
I am surprised you even got back the 1,500.
They can keep your deposit, keep your winnings, freeze your account claiming suspicious activity.
The only thing that will work in your favour is giving them sustained maximum adverse publicity on this forum, and on every other forum.
You should give full details, bookmaker name, amounts, dates, not protect them by witholding their name.
Damage their reputation and they do less business and earn less profits.
Report dave1357 July 10, 2024 9:28 AM BST
I'd guess that the bookie has been lax in updating minor markets in running and he's been betting stale prices. He should ask the company to provide all the info it holds on him under data protection law, then consider legal action after that. If the prices were wildly out of line, they might validly be palpable errors.
Report DIE LINKE July 10, 2024 10:27 AM BST
Almost certainly bet365, probably a get-rich quick scheme along the lines of the next winning point in tennis.
Report penzance July 10, 2024 10:38 AM BST
Why so reluctant to name the firm?
Report dave1357 July 10, 2024 10:51 AM BST
The whole palpable error rule needs an airing in court. st4n j4mes used to post ool prices on top ten golf markets week after week, if you took one and lost, thank you for playing, if it won, palpable error invoked.
Report DIE LINKE July 10, 2024 11:08 AM BST
You are not entering into a contract when you place a bet, so if they offer 5/1 instead of 5/2 they can legally cancel the bet.
Report everyone's a winner July 10, 2024 11:20 AM BST
they probably suspect spot fixing rather than match fixing but would have to be very low league stuff for that sum of money to impact a player. it's more likely something along the lines of the next corner, someone with fast pics or at the game, if these were in play bets. if they were placed pre kick off, then it's much less likely you could cheat but if it's obscure leagues where you maybe have some sort of edge, they still won't like it.
Report dave1357 July 10, 2024 11:25 AM BST
DIE LINKE • July 10, 2024 11:08 AM BST
You are not entering into a contract when you place a bet, so if they offer 5/1 instead of 5/2 they can legally cancel the bet.


You have a contract if the bet is accepted, but the contract is subject to their terms, which allow them to void a palpable error. The point at issue, is a palp should be a rare occurance not a common and easy way to manage poor odds setting.
Report john42 July 10, 2024 11:33 AM BST
very strange, not sure I know of any bookmaker that would take any type of large bet on anything let alone a corners market, I would have thought they would restrict you within 1 bet.
,especially if you win.
Report Aspro July 10, 2024 11:45 AM BST
I joined 365 about a year ago, had one bet (£5 I believe) and then they closed my account. No reason given.
Report DIE LINKE July 10, 2024 11:51 AM BST
cheers for the info, dave!
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 10, 2024 12:52 PM BST
Aspro they will track you on internet, see you use betfair and
or oddschecker and likely don't want you.

Get a relative to open an account, place a few
bet builders, and you should be able to place
a few bets via them.
Report everyone's a winner July 10, 2024 1:00 PM BST
Aspro they probably read your forum posts and knew that you were just too shrewd. That or your £5 was on the number of corners in some Romanian division 3 game and their price was too high.
Report Aspro July 10, 2024 1:58 PM BST
Too shrewd Laugh I wished, although it was an obscure game I bet on so that could have been a factor. I would also imagine that they have stored my ISP address, which could make a relative too difficult... no?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 10, 2024 2:26 PM BST
Relative with a different isp.
Report Aspro July 10, 2024 2:31 PM BST
Yes, but I can't use that ISP and surely they'll match it?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 10, 2024 2:41 PM BST
Nephew puts on bets if I WhatsApp him.

Yep I can't use the accounts direct.
Report Aspro July 10, 2024 3:35 PM BST
Yeah, could do that. A little awkward but definitely a way round.
Report casemoney July 10, 2024 10:19 PM BST
Fast finger in the Stadium ?
Report slickster July 10, 2024 11:02 PM BST
Doubt the OP could have dreamt he would catch so many in his net with this. Biggest wind up I've ever read.
Report Capt__F July 10, 2024 11:36 PM BST
cornered the market a la Dukes bros
Report ashbourne July 11, 2024 1:00 PM BST
'Doubt the OP could have dreamt he would catch so many in his net with this. Biggest wind up I've ever read.'

What a really strange thing to say
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