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mesmerised
07 Jul 24 06:22
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The Dutch look average to me, if Southgate can't get past this lot I'd be on the phone to Klopp before the nights out and before he take the USA job, should be another final here, brings back good memories of England 4-1 Holland at Euro 96, some 14 tournaments later they meet again,  Kind Regards.
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Report Trackman July 10, 2024 9:56 PM BST
EASY EASY


Report SamuelMertensBertens July 10, 2024 9:56 PM BST
Matterface got his lines in.
Report Ibrahima Sonko July 10, 2024 9:56 PM BST
the betfair odds told us it was going to be a draw....
Report SlippyBlue July 10, 2024 9:56 PM BST
That was very cool. Cool
Report Cardinal Scott July 10, 2024 9:56 PM BST
Sam Matterface is 2nd rate
Report lapsy pa July 10, 2024 9:56 PM BST
Decent 1st half,mediocre 2nd, Dutch v poor,England a little bit better, overall deserved.
Report FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK July 10, 2024 9:57 PM BST
Take a cripple off 60 min
We win easy
Report impossible123 July 10, 2024 9:57 PM BST
Still no settlement on Van Dijk yellow card from 'sportsbook'.
Report tobermory July 10, 2024 9:58 PM BST
Spain will be relieved when Watkins & Palmer start on the bench.
Report differentdrum July 10, 2024 9:58 PM BST
Poor second half.

I think I have argued for Watkins virtually every match. Top finish.
Report SlippyBlue July 10, 2024 9:58 PM BST
Such a great finish as well, top bombing.
Report Whippin Piccadilly July 10, 2024 9:59 PM BST
England played as well as any team in the tournament in the first half
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! July 10, 2024 10:00 PM BST
Player of the match
W A T K I N S
Laugh
Report Whippin Piccadilly July 10, 2024 10:00 PM BST
Play Kane and Watkins!
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 10, 2024 10:00 PM BST
England defenders...

Report 11kv July 10, 2024 10:01 PM BST
Keane playing statues
Report Des Pond July 10, 2024 10:01 PM BST
This is why Southgate will never resign. Every 2 years he gets lucky and the draw opens right up for him. The law of averages means that he will eventually ride his luck all the way to a tournament win.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 10, 2024 10:02 PM BST
4 years today big jack died, BTW.
Report MJK July 10, 2024 10:02 PM BST
Well done guys. If you hadn't have sat back second half you'd have won easy. And you did it with ten men. Bellingham was shocking.
Report impossible123 July 10, 2024 10:03 PM BST
Why did Van Dijk get book? Was it for a foul?
Report hulk23 July 10, 2024 10:03 PM BST
kane benched for the final, ollie starts shirley
Report casemoney July 10, 2024 10:04 PM BST
England Better Team ,Deserved win , should be a cracker Sunday win or lose
Report brentford July 10, 2024 10:04 PM BST
dissent I think i123.
Report Aspro July 10, 2024 10:05 PM BST
think you're right brentford, argued the corner decision
Report The Dragon July 10, 2024 10:05 PM BST
spain will tear them a new one
Report casemoney July 10, 2024 10:05 PM BST
agree with MJK , Bellingham Poor ,not sure what he was doing in the 2nd half
Report impossible123 July 10, 2024 10:05 PM BST
I'm glad England has made the Final...for their fans, and Scotland. Not Mr Southgate.
Report 11kv July 10, 2024 10:05 PM BST
87 mins unsportsmanlike conduct
Report tobermory July 10, 2024 10:05 PM BST

Jul 10, 2024 -- 10:03PM, hulk23 wrote:


kane benched for the final, ollie starts shirley


Southgate would not make that call

Report everyone's a winner July 10, 2024 10:05 PM BST
not seeing a foul for Van Dijk  on opta stats
Report stattman July 10, 2024 10:05 PM BST
Des
No matter what happens on Sunday this is Southgates last tournament ,a poor team has reached another final .Its downhill if he stays .
Report impossible123 July 10, 2024 10:05 PM BST
Thanks 'brentford. I think 'sportsbook settled the beta as a loser.
Report 11kv July 10, 2024 10:06 PM BST

Jul 10, 2024 -- 10:03PM, impossible123 wrote:


Why did Van Dijk get book? Was it for a foul?


87 mins unsportsmanlike conduct

Report Whippin Piccadilly July 10, 2024 10:06 PM BST
If England play like they did in first half there won't be a lot in it. It could be a classic! lol
Report everyone's a winner July 10, 2024 10:06 PM BST
yellow for unsportsmanlike conduct on flashscore
Report Ibrahima Sonko July 10, 2024 10:06 PM BST
Don't think wastecoat can change a thing that has got him to a fnal by playing crap football.
Report lapsy pa July 10, 2024 10:06 PM BST
Bit sad from Keane, Wright + co reaction right, fair enough no joyous scenes but taking the coin from ITV not altogether right either.
Report Whippin Piccadilly July 10, 2024 10:07 PM BST
Would anyone begrudge Kane winning something?
Report tobermory July 10, 2024 10:07 PM BST
Holland won a corner and it was given as a goal kick, Van Dik complained
Report casemoney July 10, 2024 10:07 PM BST
Does it matter dragon , will be a Cracker of a Game , Dont think we can beat Spain , but you have to be in it to win It , many could only dream of being anywhere near a Final
Report impossible123 July 10, 2024 10:08 PM BST
Thank-you 'everyone's a winner'.
Report 11kv July 10, 2024 10:08 PM BST
playing france eh roy you irish plum
Report penzance July 10, 2024 10:09 PM BST
Doubt he will but think Watkins deserves a crack at starting.
Much more mobile than Kane.2 halves chalk & cheese.
Report Winja July 10, 2024 10:10 PM BST
france could have beat spain with better finishing.....the spaniards are classy but also beatable.....not with the crab football of course...
Report hulk23 July 10, 2024 10:12 PM BST
imagine how good watkins would be if he cut holes in the back of his socks ...
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 10, 2024 10:14 PM BST
We are better balanced with Shaw, without doubt

But his starting position is less advanced than trippier
which gave them more space to play through.

Trippier had a slow start, but did his job well
enough tonite, which gave us more space.
Report Ibrahima Sonko July 10, 2024 10:16 PM BST
watkins scores
Report cricketnut2 July 10, 2024 10:17 PM BST

Jul 10, 2024 -- 10:07PM, casemoney wrote:


Does it matter dragon , will be a Cracker of a Game , Dont think we can beat Spain , but you have to be in it to win It , many could only dream of being anywhere near a Final


At last we played some quality football this evening. Spain have been the quality side in this tournament, but if England play with the same qualities, that we did this evening, Football might just come home this Sunday evening.

Report ImSoLuckyLucky! July 10, 2024 10:17 PM BST
Arry thinks the final is on Saturday
Hes gone do-la-lee
Laugh
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 10, 2024 10:19 PM BST
Scottish league cup saturday

Euro final sunday
Report penzance July 10, 2024 10:23 PM BST
No reason why we should fear the Spanish.
Let them worry about our players.
Report Des Pond July 10, 2024 10:24 PM BST

Jul 10, 2024 -- 10:05PM, stattman wrote:


DesNo matter what happens on Sunday this is Southgates last tournament ,a poor team has reached another final .Its downhill if he stays .


I know what you mean, but that's what everybody said the last time, me included.

Report DirkDiggler July 10, 2024 10:25 PM BST
Safegate has been lucky, but who cares? - just win baby!!!
Report brentford July 10, 2024 10:28 PM BST
just don't be too passive..

played with some more tempo, positivity and better movement tonight than any game so far..got a bit tense second half and Dutch adjusted to make it harder to play through but genuinely deserved the win tonight..

The Italy final was horrific after the first 10 mins and spent most of the game trying to cling on to the 1-0 and then the draw..
Report TheBetterBettor July 10, 2024 10:30 PM BST
1945 - 4th July Labour landside,.... england conquer europe
2024 - 4th July Labour landside..... ?????????????????
Report Regbutler July 10, 2024 10:31 PM BST
Got to go to Bridgend in the morning for work...

I'm sure my Welsh friends will be congratulating us on our victory...

And wishing us all the best on Sunday

As will all the jocks on here, no doubt
Report Regbutler July 10, 2024 10:34 PM BST
Thebetterbettor...

War in Europe was over by July 45, Labour win a backlash to the war and/or Churchill
Report DirkDiggler July 10, 2024 10:35 PM BST
1945 - 4th July Labour landside,.... england conquer europe
2024 - 4th July Labour landside..... ?????????????????


Yep, maybe it's all coming in to place for this country to stop being ****....
Report TheBetterBettor July 10, 2024 10:36 PM BST
England made the final 4 out of the last 5 finals
Report DirkDiggler July 10, 2024 10:37 PM BST
Tories in the dirt where they belong. Vermin.

Everything looking up.
Report Shrewd_dude July 10, 2024 10:45 PM BST
https://x.com/robtoone/status/1811058892043923870
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 10, 2024 11:31 PM BST
https://x.com/TheShardLondon/status/1811149677791682952?s=19

..
Report howard July 11, 2024 12:04 AM BST
"Spain will be relieved when Watkins & Palmer start on the bench."  Best post on the thread
Report xmoneyx July 11, 2024 1:26 AM BST
final 8pm

sunday


why not 3pm
Report Winja July 11, 2024 7:41 AM BST
we have an afternoon dinner on a sunday and my sisters coming round so i asked uefa for a later kick off and they kindly obliged.....
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 11, 2024 3:25 PM BST
https://x.com/vcg239/status/1811271503360499751?s=19

..

Lol
Report xmoneyx July 11, 2024 7:10 PM BST
Winja 11 Jul 24 07:41 
we have an afternoon dinner on a sunday and my sisters coming round so i asked uefa for a later kick off and they kindly obliged.. WinkExcited
Report SirNorbertClarke July 12, 2024 6:26 PM BST
It was never a penalty.
Report casemoney July 12, 2024 8:17 PM BST
STUDS STRAIGHT RED IMO
Report FOYLESWAR July 12, 2024 8:35 PM BST
rules are it was a pen ...they looked at var and it confirmed it !
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 12, 2024 9:54 PM BST
It's a penalty, and if it happens again in final can expect another one
whichever way it goes.

Quite why defender is allowed free shot at attacker
just because he has already fired a shot off is baffling.

Dive in at full back clearing ball in corner is a foul
and a yellow.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 12, 2024 9:55 PM BST
Not enough force to be a red, casemoney.
Report SirNorbertClarke July 13, 2024 9:09 AM BST
The fact is there are dozens of incidents in penalty areas every game for which a penalty can be given by VAR.

If the big clubs are going to get favourable decisions then the days of making money by laying heavy favourites may be over.
Report SirNorbertClarke July 13, 2024 9:12 AM BST
Quite why defender is allowed free shot at attacker

Kane booted the defender's foot.

In looking at any incident it's important to remember the basics of physics and mechanics.
Report impossible123 July 13, 2024 9:19 AM BST
AI next. No appeal. AI is being applied in the NHS eg reading/determining x-rays in CT and MRI scans for a more immediate and accurate diagnosis; the time issue could be vital for the patient.

In comparison football is only a game - swings and roundabouts; you win some, you lose some.
Report kincsem July 13, 2024 10:57 AM BST
In Ireland cervical scans were sub-contracted to a USA company for automatic/computer scanning.
And lots of problems were missed.
Report lurka July 13, 2024 11:22 AM BST
It was a coming together, not a pen. Defender didn't impede Kane taking his shot, didn't go for the ball but went to block it instead. If he'd gone for the ball and caught Kane before he kicked it then pen.

Kane kicked his foot and all the force and most of the movement came from Kane. If the defender was smart he would have gone down like Kane did, feigning injury. Kane got up 2 mins later and took the pen with the same foot. He is well known for going down like this. But even more strange than the pen decision itself was the VAR decision to get involved. There was no clear and obvious error.
Report impossible123 July 13, 2024 11:23 AM BST
It's only as good as the individuals responsible for inputting info and data. Nevertheless, an expert assessment is an absolutely must esp the inconclusive ones.
Report impossible123 July 13, 2024 11:33 AM BST
Two issues here.

1) The defender if knowing/sensing the ball had left Kane's foot ought not to have put his foot in the direction of
   Kane's foot post the ball leaving Kane's foot, instead acknowledging the trajectory of Kane's action esp Kane's foot.
2) The defender's action was late - too late. And, a contact was made; the defender left had deliberately left his foot
   in the trajectory of Kane's foot intending to probably intimate or obstruct Kane's action. But, his action is too late.
Report SirNorbertClarke July 13, 2024 12:48 PM BST
lurka very well said
Report mesmerised July 13, 2024 1:00 PM BST
Kane's foot was obviously hurt, he hit the ball at full force, someone elses foot his his at the same time, you're going to feel pain, it's pain not broken bones or swelling, so a couple of minutes is about right to be feeling good again.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 13, 2024 2:18 PM BST
Quite why defender is allowed free shot at attacker

Kane booted the defender's foot.

In looking at any incident it's important to remember the basics of physics and mechanics




No, kane and defender went for ball, both are moving forward at impact.

Kane won the ball, the defender did not.

It's therefore a foul, and as ball is in play,
on impact, the correct decision is a penalty.
Report mecca July 13, 2024 2:32 PM BST
Harry should've scored ... then no need for the pen or any discussion over it
Report SirNorbertClarke July 13, 2024 3:53 PM BST
No, kane and defender went for ball, both are moving forward at impact.

Kane won the ball, the defender did not.

It's therefore a foul, and as ball is in play,
on impact, the correct decision is a penalty.



Defender's boot was no where near the ball or Kane

Impact was initiated by Kane with his follow through,

Kane feigned injury
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 13, 2024 4:17 PM BST
Kane feigned injury

Irrelevant
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 13, 2024 4:20 PM BST
Defender's boot was no where near the ball, (correct, and vital to penalty award) ,
or Kane, (he went forward into kanes boot, kane having kicked ball is
entitled to follow through)
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 13, 2024 4:20 PM BST
Impact was initiated by Kane with his follow through

See above,
Report SirNorbertClarke July 13, 2024 5:20 PM BST
You're wrong but I know you don't have the ability to change your mind.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 13, 2024 5:26 PM BST
Maybe you can practice by explaining to fifa, uefa
and get laws changed to suit your view on laws.

Until then I'm right.
Report SirNorbertClarke July 13, 2024 6:00 PM BST
Until then I'm right.

You mean you agree with the VAR
Report FOYLESWAR July 13, 2024 6:29 PM BST
you cn argue it till the cows come home and probably will but whatever anyones says the descision stands  it cannot change anything so why bother
Report FOYLESWAR July 13, 2024 6:32 PM BST
the var judges are paid and know the rules sop if anything was a miss they would not have awarded the penalty ,but the Betfair forum  armchair judges seem to think they know better!
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 13, 2024 6:58 PM BST
I agree that var applied the laws correctly.

Maybe it's fortunate that they spotted it, but
they did, and acted.
Report Capt__F July 13, 2024 8:53 PM BST
Doku Kungfu lunge on Robbo at anfield no pen tho
Report lurka July 13, 2024 11:12 PM BST
Kane going down is irrelevant, whether it was feigned or not (but he has a history of going down easy once he feels contact). The point was if the defender was as smart as Kane he'd have done the same, might have made the difference.
Report mecca July 14, 2024 2:40 PM BST
I think that I've sussed it out .... The bloke in the VAR box is slightly colour blind. He saw the Dutch player in the orange shirt... he thought that it was Wolves playing.. so immediately said that It's a pen
Report The Dragon July 14, 2024 3:10 PM BST
no changes to starting eleven apparently
Report kincsem July 14, 2024 4:55 PM BST
The Dragon
no changes to starting eleven apparently


England are doomed, doomed, I tell ya.
Report snowynoon July 14, 2024 5:01 PM BST
Lurka is right if defender goes down maybe they realise it was him that was actually kicked not Kane.
Report impossible123 July 14, 2024 5:15 PM BST
Let's move on. Kane is 1.76 to have a shot on target. This must reflect on him taking penalties for England. 'sly' is going 'evens' including extra time. But, only £2.50p max.; just not worth the hassle.
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