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The Dutch look average to me, if Southgate can't get past this lot I'd be on the phone to Klopp before the nights out and before he take the USA job, should be another final here, brings back good memories of England 4-1 Holland at Euro 96, some 14 tournaments later they meet again, Kind Regards.
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the betfair odds told us it was going to be a draw....
Decent 1st half,mediocre 2nd, Dutch v poor,England a little bit better, overall deserved.
Still no settlement on Van Dijk yellow card from 'sportsbook'.
Spain will be relieved when Watkins & Palmer start on the bench.
Poor second half.
I think I have argued for Watkins virtually every match. Top finish.
I think I have argued for Watkins virtually every match. Top finish.
England played as well as any team in the tournament in the first half
This is why Southgate will never resign. Every 2 years he gets lucky and the draw opens right up for him. The law of averages means that he will eventually ride his luck all the way to a tournament win.
Well done guys. If you hadn't have sat back second half you'd have won easy. And you did it with ten men. Bellingham was shocking.
England Better Team ,Deserved win , should be a cracker Sunday win or lose
agree with MJK , Bellingham Poor ,not sure what he was doing in the 2nd half
I'm glad England has made the Final...for their fans, and Scotland. Not Mr Southgate.
Jul 10, 2024 -- 10:03PM, hulk23 wrote:
kane benched for the final, ollie starts shirley
Southgate would not make that call
not seeing a foul for Van Dijk on opta stats
Des
No matter what happens on Sunday this is Southgates last tournament ,a poor team has reached another final .Its downhill if he stays .
No matter what happens on Sunday this is Southgates last tournament ,a poor team has reached another final .Its downhill if he stays .
Thanks 'brentford. I think 'sportsbook settled the beta as a loser.
Jul 10, 2024 -- 10:03PM, impossible123 wrote:
Why did Van Dijk get book? Was it for a foul?
87 mins unsportsmanlike conduct
If England play like they did in first half there won't be a lot in it. It could be a classic! lol
yellow for unsportsmanlike conduct on flashscore
Don't think wastecoat can change a thing that has got him to a fnal by playing crap football.
Bit sad from Keane, Wright + co reaction right, fair enough no joyous scenes but taking the coin from ITV not altogether right either.
Would anyone begrudge Kane winning something?
Holland won a corner and it was given as a goal kick, Van Dik complained
Does it matter dragon , will be a Cracker of a Game , Dont think we can beat Spain , but you have to be in it to win It , many could only dream of being anywhere near a Final
Doubt he will but think Watkins deserves a crack at starting.
Much more mobile than Kane.2 halves chalk & cheese.
Much more mobile than Kane.2 halves chalk & cheese.
france could have beat spain with better finishing.....the spaniards are classy but also beatable.....not with the crab football of course...
imagine how good watkins would be if he cut holes in the back of his socks ...
We are better balanced with Shaw, without doubt
But his starting position is less advanced than trippier
which gave them more space to play through.
Trippier had a slow start, but did his job well
enough tonite, which gave us more space.
But his starting position is less advanced than trippier
which gave them more space to play through.
Trippier had a slow start, but did his job well
enough tonite, which gave us more space.
Jul 10, 2024 -- 10:07PM, casemoney wrote:
Does it matter dragon , will be a Cracker of a Game , Dont think we can beat Spain , but you have to be in it to win It , many could only dream of being anywhere near a Final
At last we played some quality football this evening. Spain have been the quality side in this tournament, but if England play with the same qualities, that we did this evening, Football might just come home this Sunday evening.
Arry thinks the final is on Saturday
Hes gone do-la-lee
Hes gone do-la-lee
Scottish league cup saturday
Euro final sunday
Euro final sunday
No reason why we should fear the Spanish.
Let them worry about our players.
Let them worry about our players.
Jul 10, 2024 -- 10:05PM, stattman wrote:
DesNo matter what happens on Sunday this is Southgates last tournament ,a poor team has reached another final .Its downhill if he stays .
I know what you mean, but that's what everybody said the last time, me included.
Safegate has been lucky, but who cares? - just win baby!!!
just don't be too passive..
played with some more tempo, positivity and better movement tonight than any game so far..got a bit tense second half and Dutch adjusted to make it harder to play through but genuinely deserved the win tonight..
The Italy final was horrific after the first 10 mins and spent most of the game trying to cling on to the 1-0 and then the draw..
played with some more tempo, positivity and better movement tonight than any game so far..got a bit tense second half and Dutch adjusted to make it harder to play through but genuinely deserved the win tonight..
The Italy final was horrific after the first 10 mins and spent most of the game trying to cling on to the 1-0 and then the draw..
1945 - 4th July Labour landside,.... england conquer europe
2024 - 4th July Labour landside..... ?????????????????
2024 - 4th July Labour landside..... ?????????????????
Got to go to Bridgend in the morning for work...
I'm sure my Welsh friends will be congratulating us on our victory...
And wishing us all the best on Sunday
As will all the jocks on here, no doubt
I'm sure my Welsh friends will be congratulating us on our victory...
And wishing us all the best on Sunday
As will all the jocks on here, no doubt
Thebetterbettor...
War in Europe was over by July 45, Labour win a backlash to the war and/or Churchill
War in Europe was over by July 45, Labour win a backlash to the war and/or Churchill
1945 - 4th July Labour landside,.... england conquer europe
2024 - 4th July Labour landside..... ?????????????????
Yep, maybe it's all coming in to place for this country to stop being ****....
2024 - 4th July Labour landside..... ?????????????????
Yep, maybe it's all coming in to place for this country to stop being ****....
England made the final 4 out of the last 5 finals
Tories in the dirt where they belong. Vermin.
Everything looking up.
Everything looking up.
https://x.com/TheShardLondon/status/1811149677791682952?s=19
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"Spain will be relieved when Watkins & Palmer start on the bench." Best post on the thread
we have an afternoon dinner on a sunday and my sisters coming round so i asked uefa for a later kick off and they kindly obliged.....
https://x.com/vcg239/status/1811271503360499751?s=19
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Lol
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Lol
Winja 11 Jul 24 07:41
we have an afternoon dinner on a sunday and my sisters coming round so i asked uefa for a later kick off and they kindly obliged..
we have an afternoon dinner on a sunday and my sisters coming round so i asked uefa for a later kick off and they kindly obliged..
rules are it was a pen ...they looked at var and it confirmed it !
It's a penalty, and if it happens again in final can expect another one
whichever way it goes.
Quite why defender is allowed free shot at attacker
just because he has already fired a shot off is baffling.
Dive in at full back clearing ball in corner is a foul
and a yellow.
whichever way it goes.
Quite why defender is allowed free shot at attacker
just because he has already fired a shot off is baffling.
Dive in at full back clearing ball in corner is a foul
and a yellow.
Not enough force to be a red, casemoney.
The fact is there are dozens of incidents in penalty areas every game for which a penalty can be given by VAR.
If the big clubs are going to get favourable decisions then the days of making money by laying heavy favourites may be over.
If the big clubs are going to get favourable decisions then the days of making money by laying heavy favourites may be over.
Quite why defender is allowed free shot at attacker
Kane booted the defender's foot.
In looking at any incident it's important to remember the basics of physics and mechanics.
Kane booted the defender's foot.
In looking at any incident it's important to remember the basics of physics and mechanics.
AI next. No appeal. AI is being applied in the NHS eg reading/determining x-rays in CT and MRI scans for a more immediate and accurate diagnosis; the time issue could be vital for the patient.
In comparison football is only a game - swings and roundabouts; you win some, you lose some.
In comparison football is only a game - swings and roundabouts; you win some, you lose some.
In Ireland cervical scans were sub-contracted to a USA company for automatic/computer scanning.
And lots of problems were missed.
And lots of problems were missed.
It was a coming together, not a pen. Defender didn't impede Kane taking his shot, didn't go for the ball but went to block it instead. If he'd gone for the ball and caught Kane before he kicked it then pen.
Kane kicked his foot and all the force and most of the movement came from Kane. If the defender was smart he would have gone down like Kane did, feigning injury. Kane got up 2 mins later and took the pen with the same foot. He is well known for going down like this. But even more strange than the pen decision itself was the VAR decision to get involved. There was no clear and obvious error.
Kane kicked his foot and all the force and most of the movement came from Kane. If the defender was smart he would have gone down like Kane did, feigning injury. Kane got up 2 mins later and took the pen with the same foot. He is well known for going down like this. But even more strange than the pen decision itself was the VAR decision to get involved. There was no clear and obvious error.
It's only as good as the individuals responsible for inputting info and data. Nevertheless, an expert assessment is an absolutely must esp the inconclusive ones.
Two issues here.
1) The defender if knowing/sensing the ball had left Kane's foot ought not to have put his foot in the direction of
Kane's foot post the ball leaving Kane's foot, instead acknowledging the trajectory of Kane's action esp Kane's foot.
2) The defender's action was late - too late. And, a contact was made; the defender left had deliberately left his foot
in the trajectory of Kane's foot intending to probably intimate or obstruct Kane's action. But, his action is too late.
1) The defender if knowing/sensing the ball had left Kane's foot ought not to have put his foot in the direction of
Kane's foot post the ball leaving Kane's foot, instead acknowledging the trajectory of Kane's action esp Kane's foot.
2) The defender's action was late - too late. And, a contact was made; the defender left had deliberately left his foot
in the trajectory of Kane's foot intending to probably intimate or obstruct Kane's action. But, his action is too late.
Kane's foot was obviously hurt, he hit the ball at full force, someone elses foot his his at the same time, you're going to feel pain, it's pain not broken bones or swelling, so a couple of minutes is about right to be feeling good again.
Quite why defender is allowed free shot at attacker
Kane booted the defender's foot.
In looking at any incident it's important to remember the basics of physics and mechanics
No, kane and defender went for ball, both are moving forward at impact.
Kane won the ball, the defender did not.
It's therefore a foul, and as ball is in play,
on impact, the correct decision is a penalty.
Kane booted the defender's foot.
In looking at any incident it's important to remember the basics of physics and mechanics
No, kane and defender went for ball, both are moving forward at impact.
Kane won the ball, the defender did not.
It's therefore a foul, and as ball is in play,
on impact, the correct decision is a penalty.
Harry should've scored ... then no need for the pen or any discussion over it
No, kane and defender went for ball, both are moving forward at impact.
Kane won the ball, the defender did not.
It's therefore a foul, and as ball is in play,
on impact, the correct decision is a penalty.
Defender's boot was no where near the ball or Kane
Impact was initiated by Kane with his follow through,
Kane feigned injury
Kane won the ball, the defender did not.
It's therefore a foul, and as ball is in play,
on impact, the correct decision is a penalty.
Defender's boot was no where near the ball or Kane
Impact was initiated by Kane with his follow through,
Kane feigned injury
Defender's boot was no where near the ball, (correct, and vital to penalty award) ,
or Kane, (he went forward into kanes boot, kane having kicked ball is
entitled to follow through)
or Kane, (he went forward into kanes boot, kane having kicked ball is
entitled to follow through)
Impact was initiated by Kane with his follow through
See above,
See above,
You're wrong but I know you don't have the ability to change your mind.
Maybe you can practice by explaining to fifa, uefa
and get laws changed to suit your view on laws.
Until then I'm right.
and get laws changed to suit your view on laws.
Until then I'm right.
Until then I'm right.
You mean you agree with the VAR
You mean you agree with the VAR
you cn argue it till the cows come home and probably will but whatever anyones says the descision stands it cannot change anything so why bother
the var judges are paid and know the rules sop if anything was a miss they would not have awarded the penalty ,but the Betfair forum armchair judges seem to think they know better!
I agree that var applied the laws correctly.
Maybe it's fortunate that they spotted it, but
they did, and acted.
Maybe it's fortunate that they spotted it, but
they did, and acted.
Kane going down is irrelevant, whether it was feigned or not (but he has a history of going down easy once he feels contact). The point was if the defender was as smart as Kane he'd have done the same, might have made the difference.
I think that I've sussed it out .... The bloke in the VAR box is slightly colour blind. He saw the Dutch player in the orange shirt... he thought that it was Wolves playing.. so immediately said that It's a pen
The Dragon
no changes to starting eleven apparently
England are doomed, doomed, I tell ya.
no changes to starting eleven apparently
England are doomed, doomed, I tell ya.
Lurka is right if defender goes down maybe they realise it was him that was actually kicked not Kane.
Let's move on. Kane is 1.76 to have a shot on target. This must reflect on him taking penalties for England. 'sly' is going 'evens' including extra time. But, only £2.50p max.; just not worth the hassle.
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