Lifetime Profit & Loss

i think it only goes back a year
i would love to see me P & L as it goes back almost 20 years

That only shows the balance of your current card or payment method. You need 'Betting Activity'> 'Premium Charges' for the entire picture.

bettinghelp
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That only shows the balance of your current card or payment method. You need 'Betting Activity'> 'Premium Charges' for the entire picture.


how do I find this ?
Thanks

That's strange, mine gives the net deposits/withdrawals since inception

Betting Activity ! My Profit and Loss

...over 20 years!

In the middle of the page it gives me the current card details (P&L), but in the top right hand corner it gives me the whole shebang

Agree with bettinghelp...you need the Premium Charge screen for the full picture since day 1.

The total net deposit figure under 'payments' doesn't match my PC figure (maybe this is linked to existing card)?

Thanks
Does it include all Sportsbook Bets ?

It says, 'Exchange commission & charges' so I imagine not.

The total net deposit figure under 'payments' doesn't match my PC figure (maybe this is linked to existing card)?

I think mine is quite accurate and not linked to the same card, which I've changed several times over the years. A few years back I asked for the figure and was sent a spreadsheet with every bet I'd ever made. I've since discarded that, but the figures do roughly agree with my own records.

I'm not on PC so can't compare

Aspro • April 11, 2024 3:50 PM BST
That's strange, mine gives the net deposits/withdrawals since inception

yes, aspro is correct. It shows all deposits through the life of the account on the top right, not just the present card.

If the figure is negative it is profitable, if positive it is losing (assuming that your present balance doesn't cover the loss).

StewB • April 11, 2024 3:58 PM BST
Thanks
Does it include all Sportsbook Bets ?

It will include them as it is just deposits minus withdrawals. Also presumably poker if anyone played that.

is this new because I haven't seen that figure before ?

Yes Aspro and Dave are correct.

The balance of deposits/withdrawals is for all cards used on the account.

It's not new, been like that a few years at least. Though not sure it was always there.

Bloody hell and there was me thinking I was well ahead over last 22 years...

yeah there was a larger number there than I would have thought as well

remember a negative in the box means winning

But if you want your lifetime profit go to premium charge whether you've paid any or not?

I can't seem to find 'Premium Charge' in Betting Activity/Profit and Loss (or anywhere else)

If I did it'll probably have show >>>

My betfair acc

Betting activity

Foot of the column

Foot of the column is 'Transaction History'

Probably need to be closer than I am to it

one below transaction History is premium charges on my page

You're probably a lot closer to me or actually on it... need to work on my game

I'm on chrome not sure it makes a difference tho

Aspro. If we spent a little less time watching films/TV series we may both be a bit closer to paying PC

Indeed!

I'm not gonna look!.. Thanks.

you don't get the premium charge page/link unless your charges/gross profit ratio is less than 50%. So if you have won 50k gross and paid 20k in charges, 30k profit, you won't get access to it.

Go on Emit, be a

Thanks Dave, good info

lol that should be the other way round 50k gross, 30k charges.

I must admit, I would be interested to know what charges I have paid over the years

well its at least more than net withdrawals plus balance, as you can't see the prem portal.

Cheers dave.

I think you can ask them for it, but voluntarily contacting betfair CS isn't advisable for your wellbeing.

I know that all too well dave; they slaughtered me at the start of the year.

I looked... and to be honest, was expecting worse! But still that money could have been spent better.. But it's an enjoyable hobby for me.. I dont drink, smoke or go fishing (except on here )

In fact, on reflection... I'm very happy with the that number.

Are we sure that this includes change of card numbers.

the main total is your most recent card, the top right is all deposits.

Anyone going to post their numbers? 

Total Net Deposit     £68,975.32

I smell bacon

^^Jokes!! btw.   Let's keep it real guys..

Gross profit & loss

£252,250.96

Commission

Other charges

Premium Charges

Total charges (27.33%)

Maximum possible premium charge

£68,933.88

+

£0    
+

£0

=

£68,933.88


Total Net Deposit£-168,046.00

Its all double dutch to me

Hopefully dave1375 will be along shortly to clarify

1357

It means you’re up nearly £170k, Werbie. Nice one.

I wish I hadn’t looked!

Cheers Ken.

Just not sure about the maths.

£252 Gross
£69 ish commission
-£168 net deposit
?

See what you mean. Have you got £15k sat in your account?

Not currently

15k tied up in unsettled/ongoing markets ?

Nothing chunky unsettled

charges isn't actual commission, because of the way bf calcs them with implied 3% commish on losers plus actual comish divided by two.

So unless you were on 3% or less for a lot of the time the "charges" figure will always be less than you've paid in commish.

nowadays with 2% commish it will be the oposite.

btw I'd happily swap so that you knew this stuff and I had your gross profit.

The 252 is exchange money only,  I think the disparity is losses incurred from the other platforms, poker sportsbook etc, if you deposit and lose on the other platforms that is in that net deposit figure.

it might be, but more likely the difference between "charges" and actual commission.

Thanks Dave/Duffy
Commission could well be the factor. For the vast majority of my time on here I've been a backer so my commission rarely got below 3.8 nearer 4+ generally.
I don't get involved with poker or anything else on here and as far as sportsbook is concerned they won't lay me more than £2 so its a virtual no go area.

i am surprised sportsbook lay you anything......i was at ascot in a betfair box the day sportsbook was launched and barry orr was there who intervened when i was demonstrating that i could not have a bet on the sportsbook platform so barry who believed there was a technical issue telephoned head office only to be told that as i paid premium charge on the exchange i could not use sportsbook.....to say he was embarrassed in front of the other guests is an understatement but it turned out they were no different to the high street bookmakers who do not welcome punters who have a historical history of winning even though you could do your bollox in the future.......

Difficult to fathom how sportsbook make any money at all. Doubt they lay anyone a chunk until 5 mins before the off

to be cynical I think they just ride on the back of the exchange's rep of having the best price and scoop up punters who are completely ignorant about the difference or find a problem with the exchange and just bet on the sportsbook. And of course they want to offer sports/racing to casino punters in case they go elsewhere.

Flutter used to have the absolutely world leading peer to peer products in poker with pokerstars and the exchange. They have managed to devalue both.

at the time i wanted to use it for doubles...trebles and accumulators with my main business on the exchange but unfortunately they had other ideas....just tried again and its still £00.00 for any bet......even in the national...

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