Rachel Riley says she will stop supporting Man United if they bring back Greenwood

Oh so she's only going to hold United players to account. Arsenal & City players can do what they want. Seems reasonable.

Sep 5, 2023 -- 3:46PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

How come Rachel hasn't called for Thomas Partey to be omitted from the Arsenal squad?

Lol, classic look over there/whataboutery.
It's terrible that Greenwood's had his career put on hold...Whatabout Partey?

It's not whataboutery. It's asking a simple question.

Riley has now twice called for United players to not play for the club. Why is she not calling for other footballers to be suspended.

Kyle Walker allegedly got his dick out in a bar. He has since been made City captain. Where was Riley's outrage?

She only said she'd stop supporting ManU. Wouldn't work in other cases if she took the same stance.
Plus, she's a busy woman - she can't be getting involved in every case.

She's talking about her own club.

It's taken her ages to catch up on Antony news.

I'm sure she is equally outraged by all the
reported bad behaviour but feels it's for others
to deal with their own clubs.

She's talking about her own club.

It's taken her ages to catch up on Antony news.

I'm sure she is equally outraged by all the
reported bad behaviour but feels it's for others
to deal with their own clubs.

It wouldn't take Rachel 5 minutes to draft a press release condemning City appointing Walker as captain.

Ditto Arteta continuing to play a player on bail FFS.

Yep she could, but she doesn't support those teams
so has no conflict in supporting players accussed of bad stuff.


I'm on your side, more or less, she's just one voice,
but because she's famous her followers will pile
on and she becomes more famous, which is what
she is about.

She likes a libel case, she needs to be careful.

like expecting the utds anti glazer,s  green and blacks to hold protests atchelsea because they dont like the way their club is run,
why didnt newcastle anti ashley fans protest at utd about glazers,vica versa
she supports utd,if utd bought partty/walker she might have an opinion
dont really think this is that hard to follow ,whether you agree or not is a different matter,plenty of fans stopped supporting clubs/boycotted clubs because of players,managers the club has signed

Yep she could, but she doesn't support those teams
so has no conflict in supporting * those* players accussed of bad stuff.

Rachel Riley Reveals Male Celebrity Upskirted Her At A Party

Upskirting is a criminal offence yet Riley didn't report the incident to the police.

Riley also refuses to name the celebrity and his friends who also watched the video stream leaving other women at risk from this sex offender.

Rachel's silence is endangering women so that's pretty disgraceful. Maybe if the offender had a United connection.....

^ Mason's agent

both giggs and mason greenwood have not been convicted of anything. shouldnt football clubs be allowed to employ them?........i would ask rachel riley where shes going with all of this........now anthony. untill hes convicted of something shouldnt he be allowed to continue to play football?..........mendy is another one. they are not school teachers or working in hospitals dealing with vulnerable people. this is all to do with corporations pretending they are brands. all this fake virtue signaling nonsense. then activists go after them directly or in UTD's case, their sponsors.

The power of accusation ,any wife ,girlfriend now has the power to threaten to ruin any footballers career or any other sportsman probably,by just saying I'll claim to the police or media that you assaulted me ,and you'll be finished even if they've made the whole thing up.Ridiculous how we've got to this stage.

We’ve got to this stage from a disgusting history of men beating up women.

^ correct

We live in an age of social media powered kangaroo courts where facts are ignored and men are always guilty.

The Spanish footballer who was kissed, she was smiling afterwards and joking about it later. But we are to ignore that video evidence because if does fit the narrative.

Smiling because she won the world cup

Laughing it off, because that's what's expected

How dare she complain about a man, eh.

Kangaroo court in which misogynists have made up
their minds it's always blokes that are the victims.

So when it's Greenwood, you think we should ignore the video and audio evidence and prioritise what she did later (refused to testify in court)


But in the other case, you want to go with the video evidence and ignore the later statements that it wasn't consensual.




Just loving the consistency.

Nobby

Do yoh know how many men were murdered by their partners last year?

PP when did I say the Greenwood video and audio evidence should be ignored? On the contrary I have always believed the case should have gone ahead with that evidence. I think the CPS need a good bollocking for dropping the case.


As for the Spanish kiss being consensual or not you are aware they'd just won the world cup and there was a lot of spontaneous kissing going on aren't you.

PP

We do not know if the girl suffered bruising or it was make up!

We do not know if the tape “ made “ was part of their ritual foreplay

I am not trying to defend Greenwood but who knows what the truth is? They still are together. What is the new information?

the bigger question is….Is a wrong’un allowed to make a living and I say yes!

Personally I would have wife beaters stoned or flogged in public but who is going to throw the first stone against Greeenwood? The girls testimony is unreliable

The Anthony case is more disturbing but again what is the truth?

The Antony case is once again being driven by a social media kangaroo court.

Let the women present here evidence. Let Antony deny what he believes is untrue. Let a neutral jury decide.

If he is found not guilty the let him go free.

If he is found guilty send him to jail and let his serve his time.

WD - we've been through this all before, and god knows we don't need to do it again.

I've said before, MG should be free to resume his career. But equally clubs should be able to consider if they want him playing for them, and fans should be able to express their views on having him represent their clubs.


I just get amused/riled at the "it's men who are the real victims yanno!" bollocks.

Nobby - would you still allow Jimmy Saville programmes on TV? Never found guilty of anything that lad.

PP

Right now I would take Greenwood at Arsenal although I would prefer the Milan striker!

Give Chelsea back Havertz , double the £65M and give it to Milan for Leao

PP put away the straw man.

Not remotely a straw man.

You believe MG is innocent as he hasn't faced trial. You've made that pretty plain. Just wondering if you only apply that logic due to the scarf around your neck or if you're consistent.

I certainly do not claim MG is innocent. I do not know! and only one other person knows but chooses not to say!

Get on with life!

PP now you are again misrepresenting my opinion. Probably because your argument is weak.


You believe MG is innocent as he hasn't faced trial. That's untrue

I believe MG should have been tried. The fact he wasn't is just not right. Having been accused he should have been given the opportunity to defend himself in court.

If you read back to some of my postings on the Mendy trial you'll find I am all for the courts deciding guilt or innocence no matter what strip a player wears.

You don’t go to court to prove your innocence!

If he wants his day in court he can sue her and the Po Po!

Indeed WD. Nobby a bit all over the place here.

PP My position has never changed. It is your argument that is all over the place.

So much so you have rung the Godwin's Law bell with your hilarious attempt to drag Jimmy Savile into the argument.

Desperate but surely not serious.

eh?


I'm simply pointing out that your position is that people can't attack Greenwood (or Antony) until they've been found guilty in a court of law. Anyone pointing out the pics and audio are told they're in no position to judge and given some sexist treatment if they're female.


Now if that is your position, does it extend to non-Utd footballers such as Saville? Or do you save it for the lads on your pillowcase?

I'm simply pointing out that your position is that people can't attack Greenwood (or Antony) until they've been found guilty in a court of law

That's not my position,

nyone pointing out the pics and audio are told they're in no position to judge and given some sexist treatment if they're female.


That's not my position,

I wish you'd stop misrepresenting what I say.


I'll give you a tip, if you can't cut & paste it i never said it.

Go on then. the floor's yours. State your position on Greenwood and the likes of Riley criticising him.

Read back.

Briefly as I am off out...

Having been charged MG should have been given the opportunity to defend himself in court with a neutral jury.

Rachel Riley has not seen all the evidence so is in no position to judge MG's guilt or innocence.

So then, as I said.

If someone hasn't seen the evidence as put before a court they're in no position to judge. Quite literally what I wrote 45 mins ago.


Ace this.

sometimes i get the impression left wing people barley want those guilty of sex and physical assault to go to jail. society is full of examples where offenders get light sentence after light sentence and repeat their acts. left wing people never get upset about it. particularly in relation to men who kick the crap out of men. just read your local newspaper of guys with so many convictions.

why then when it comes to footballers who have not been found guilty of anything do they get very upset?

what about the example of troy deeney who actually went to jail for assaulting someone. was there a campaign to end his career? no. and he actually got a job at talksport. i dont think ryan giggs will be getting a job in the media soon.

the gender of the victim has a lot to do with how this is all dealt with. the same people who are outraged about giggs dont get outraged about men who assault men. they are not exactly in favor of long sentences for offenders. but their the same people who talk about gender neutrality all the time.

i prefer to rely on the justice system to determine whether someone can do their job or not. i want long sentences for those found guilty of sex and physical assaults regardless of the gender of the persons involved. where their are allegations against people but no conviction, then it depends on what type of profession they are in. if giggs and greenwood were doctors or teachers then i dont think it would be wise for them to work with vulnerable people. but i do think they should be allowed to work in football again. maybe in giggs case not with women footballers.

can those on here who are outraged that greenwood can play again explain whether they are outraged by troy deeny playing again after he went to jail?

PP

What you said,,, Anyone pointing out the pics and audio are told they're in no position to judge

What I said... Rachel Riley has not seen all the evidence so is in no position to judge MG's guilt or innocence.

Does the subtle difference might escape you?

We live in a country where people are innocent until proven guilty.

The Social Media mob may not like it but it is the law of the land.

It's about brand man utd, not going to jail.

Sep 6, 2023 -- 8:49PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

We live in a country where people are innocent until proven guilty.The Social Media mob may not like it but it is the law of the land.

So Saville’s ok then?

Just after some consistency.

nobody got a veiw on brainndead jockey comment ?

when Jimmy Savile was alive despite some accusations the CPS never prosecuted him. So as far as the world was concerned he was guilty of nothing.

If he was alive now, after the avalanche of accusations, it's most likely the CPS would be prosecuting him.


This situation highlights the necessity to report crimes. If no one reports offenders they are free to reoffend.

Rachel Riley has shared her experiences of being upskirted by a celebrity and his mates. She did not report the crime to the police and refuses to share the identity of the offender. This offender like Savile is free to reoffend.

Cap - I’ll let someone who’s outraged at the prospect of him playing again answer.

Plenty reported Saville.

There are lots of other folk around that have
not been prosecuted after numerous accusations.

Many have lost faith in criminal law so go to social
media and sponsors.

Andrew not been tried but a pariah in uk.

So royals don't want him on their brand ticket.

Even the sleazy tories ( supported by Rachel) got
rid of Johnson in the end, did Johnson say owt
about him and his father?

If people want to coin it in, they need to avoid
scandal.

did* Riley* say owt
about him and his father?

What’s the difference between the upskirter and MG?

Both accused but not convicted.

Is MG also an offender free to re-offend?

bdj hits a lot of nails on the head. I agree with all the points he makes.

But I would add many people would say I was left wing but I would bring back the birch tomorrow.

PP

What’s the difference between the upskirter and MG?

Both accused but not convicted.

Is MG also an offender free to re-offend?



MG was charged then the CPS decided there was no chance of a guilty verdict. i.e. he would have been found not guilty.

The upskirter was never even reported to the police let alone investigated and charged.

i listen to talksport everyday. it seemed that no one was prepared to say that greenwood should be allowed to play football again. thats fine. its up to them . its a difficult situation to deal with. i suspect they are all terrified to talk about it. especially the hosts who are not former pros and really need their jobs.
i just find it interesting that during covid troy deeney was working at talksport. he was talking about mental health as well. they all seemed to love troy. below is an extract from wikipedia about troy. i assume its accurate. i would love to question all those at talksport about troy. i assume they are ok with troy playing since they were all ok to be in the studio everyday with him. i do believe sex assaults and violence by a man against a woman are worse than man v man. but greenwood has not been convicted. troy has been. there is selective outrage. it doesnt seem to matter whether someone is found guilty or not in a court of law.

On 25 June 2012, Deeney was sentenced to ten months' imprisonment after pleading guilty to a charge of affray, having attacked a group of students outside a nightclub. The Guardian reported that a "30-second video clip, which was played to the court several times, clearly showed both Troy Deeney and Brennan [Deeney's friend] kicking out at the "defenceless" students, one of whom received repeated blows to the head as he lay injured". He was released after serving almost three months of the sentence.

But that's the point... whether it's right or wrong.
It's what catches the whim of the public so then
needs to be avoided by those making money.

Riley is just an amplifier

She's miles behind on Antony, whilst
fighting against Greenwood, having
said nowt about giggs. Might have more
followers and get more cash when countdown
salaries are reviewed.

This fred will still be going long after Mason has hung up his boots I fear.

MG was charged then the CPS decided there was no chance of a guilty verdict. i.e. he would have been found not guilty.


Ok then, so that's your logic. Charges dropped = innocent.


At least we're getting somewhere*








*even if it's dark and twisted.

bdj - I don't listen to talksport, never mind actually think of ringing in! Shudder!

I said ages ago, there was a clear path for Greenwood to return. It involved showing contrition first off and a little savvy PR. Maybe that's what Deeney did, though not needed as much as his profile as a second div player was obviously much lower. So a 4-page splash with friendly journo in a red top, pics of the young family, talk of regret, growing up, maybe therapy and helping other young people deal with anger issues. Suddenly he's turning the negative action into a lot of positives.

Then the club just needs to deal with it effectively. Loan him out for a year. Be up front with people. We can understand the concerns but he's not been found guilty of anything and it's our job to support both of them, rather than just turf them out. Loan him out for a year, chance to rebuild his confidence etc. Let him show his quality. If he's crap and his head's gone then you can sell. If he's doing well there'll be plenty of people clamouring for him to return and it'll be an easy decision.

Instead both sides have massively mismanaged it. Greenwood has shown no contrition whatsoever. Stayed silent till the decision was made and he came out with some mealy-mouthed comments. The club laughably tries to bring him back on the QT, figuring out how to deal with the new enemy: not Liverpool or City, but women's campaign groups. And then it folds like a deckchair.

Literally couldn't have been handled any worse.

Now the kid's out of the country (potentially good) but under a huge spotlight and everyone is still thinking of him as a woman-beater, rather than a rehabilitated young kid. And there's no path back at Utd. They've already said he's finished. If he pulls up trees in Getafe they'll look like they're reneging on their agreement if they want to use him next season and look worse again, dragging this whole affair out once more.

Literally couldn't have been handled any worse.

PP
Ok then, so that's your logic. Charges dropped = innocent.

There you go again trying to twist my words.

What i actually said;

MG was charged then the CPS decided there was no chance of a guilty verdict. i.e. he would have been found not guilty.



At least we're getting somewhere*

No you're not.Misrepresenting what some on said is not progress.

Christ, this thread is like a vortex.


Only came on to laugh at the "men are the victims in all this" and hours later...Bailing out as there's been more than enough squirming for my liking.

Bailing out because your argument doesn't stand up without misrepresenting the views of others.

Greenwood is not going to show contrition if he didn't do anything wrong. That has always been his position. Arnold has also seen material which came to light after the initial scandal and has said that he believes he is innocent. Nobody in Arnold's position is going to come out and say something that emphatic unless he is almost certain of his innocence. Then there's the almost sympathetic attitude of the alleged victim's father to Greenwood from the very start. 

At some point you have to look at the above, the allegations being withdrawn, them getting back together and having a child together as all being inconsistent with guilt and consistent with Greenwood being innocent. It is a massive red flag that they have got back together and had a child, it is highly indicative of the allegations being false or at least very questionable. There is no other way of saying it.

If he is innocent, as he has maintained throughout and which is somewhat corroborated by the statements and conduct of those involved and people more in the know than any member of the public, then there is a clear path for him to come back to United - the alleged victim can clarify why the allegations were withdrawn or why she has got back with him in a way that doesn't involve her getting charged with making false allegations or wasting police time.

lurka,
I always value your judgement but you are a bit off on this.
How can you honestly value the opinion of a non-judge & CEO of ManU in defending his £100m asset?
No conflict of interest?

The attitude of the father is irrelevant too. Do you know if he's of good character himself?

Bottom line is we'll never know what happened beyond what's been made public.
The pair won't provide an explanation so people are welcome to speculate.
Many on here clearly aren't bothered about VAWG so will happily give Greenwood the benefit of any doubt.

Many on here clearly aren't bothered about VAWG so will happily give Greenwood the benefit of any doubt.



Who has said they are not bothered about violence against women?

Whoever the cap fits.
If it doesn't fit you, then don't wear it.

" It is a massive red flag that they have got back together and had a child"

I know where you're coming from, but sadly it's not a "massive red flag". Some domestic violence victims go back to their attackers time and time again, others leave and end up in a similar relationship again.

And it still doesn't answer why on earth Greenwood would go back to a woman who tried to ruin him!

Indeed.

Now if I was a really cynical advisor and my client, a client who will make me rich beyond my wildest dreams over the next 15 years, did something like the allegations and had accusations hanging over him, then what would I do? My own wealth and lifestyle relies on me getting this right.

I could let it run its course, not intervene, roll the dice. But that would be daft. What kind of advice would that be?

But I know that the court case would rely on the victim's testimony. You need to get her to retract her statement. But how? Threatening her seems very risky as she's already shown she will happily show off her cuts and bruises and the blowback could be catastrophic.

But she's a young girl, and also set for life with the lad in question. Maybe there's a bridge to be mended. So get them back together. On the QT. Small matter of him being barred from seeing her but you can win her round. I love you really. I'll never do it again, I promise. I can change. What victim of abuse hasn't heard words like that after all? And how many have gone back? So get them back together, and even better, advise him to get a kid on the scene as well.

Now surely she's not going to testify with a kid involved and the alleged perp now a reformed character. Of course not. Job done.



But then, I'm not a cynical advisor.

Who knows what went on. Certainly not me, you or Rachel Riley.

But the CPS had all the evidence, audio, video, phone date and the transcripts of hours and hours of interviews from those involved and they judged they were unlikely to secure a conviction.

So do you think that's the end of it, or do you agree with those people who feel he still has questions to answer?

Sep 7, 2023 -- 12:32PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

Who knows what went on. Certainly not me, you or Rachel Riley.But the CPS had all the evidence, audio, video, phone date and the transcripts of hours and hours of interviews from those involved and they judged they were unlikely to secure a conviction.

The CPS ffs
They always get cases of grooming & abuse right don't they.

Greenwood issued a statement;


"I want to start by saying I understand that people will judge me because of what they have seen and heard on social media, and I know people will think the worst.

"I was brought up to know that violence or abuse in any relationship is wrong, I did not do the things I was accused of, and in February I was cleared of all charges. However, I fully accept I made mistakes... and I take my share of responsibility for the situations which led to the social media post.

"I am learning to understand my responsibilities to set a good example as a professional footballer, and I’m focused on the big responsibility of being a father, as well as a good partner.

"Today’s decision has been part of a collaborative process between Manchester United, my family and me. The best decision for us all, is for me to continue my football career away from Old Trafford, where my presence will not be a distraction for the club.

"I thank the club for their support since I joined aged seven. There will always be a part of me which is United.
I am enormously grateful to my family and all my loved ones for their support, and it is now for me to repay the trust those around me have shown.

"I intend to be a better footballer, but most importantly a good father, a better person, and to use my talents in a positive way on and off the pitch."


More than likely Greenwood had help writing that.

Does he have questions to answer? I think he has probably answered all the questions he needs to answer, to his partner, his family, his employers, the police, te CPS. I don't think  he owes you or me or Rachel Riley anything.

The CPS ffs
They always get cases of grooming & abuse right don't they


I know. I've already suggested we scrap them completely and replace them with Rachel Riley and the Daily Mail.

They'd probably do a better job tbf.
The CPS have a poor track record in prosecuting abuse & grooming cases.

I know and with Rachel and the Daily Mail we wouldn't need a Police to investigate or gather evidence!!! They don't need all that nonsense, just declare them guilty.

I don't think  he owes you or me or Rachel Riley anything.

It's not that he owes anybody anything, it's that he might stand a better chance of being allowed to carry on unhindered with his career if more of the story was elaborated upon - assuming everything is innocent and above board, of course.

Sep 7, 2023 -- 1:18PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

Greenwood issued a statement;"I want to start by saying I understand that people will judge me because of what they have seen and heard on social media, and I know people will think the worst."I was brought up to know that violence or abuse in any relationship is wrong, I did not do the things I was accused of, and in February I was cleared of all charges. However, I fully accept I made mistakes... and I take my share of responsibility for the situations which led to the social media post."I am learning to understand my responsibilities to set a good example as a professional footballer, and I’m focused on the big responsibility of being a father, as well as a good partner."Today’s decision has been part of a collaborative process between Manchester United, my family and me. The best decision for us all, is for me to continue my football career away from Old Trafford, where my presence will not be a distraction for the club."I thank the club for their support since I joined aged seven. There will always be a part of me which is United.I am enormously grateful to my family and all my loved ones for their support, and it is now for me to repay the trust those around me have shown."I intend to be a better footballer, but most importantly a good father, a better person, and to use my talents in a positive way on and off the pitch."More than likely Greenwood had help writing that.Does he have questions to answer? I think he has probably answered all the questions he needs to answer, to his partner, his family, his employers, the police, te CPS. I don't think

He owes no one anything. But he does need to answer questions if he wants some people not to believe the recording.

He also should retract the lie that he was cleared of all charges. That's not what happened by a long chalk.

Have you not noticed that there is a difficulty in him even referring to the victim? Certainly he couldn't while charges were still on the table, not sure if he is still legally restricted but if not he's been advised against doing it. He hasn't referred to her directly at all, he hasn't even acknowledged that she is his partner and mother of his child despite referring to his relationship and child.

The alleged victim however, has never had any restriction in naming him - which is what she did before the police even got involved. Seeing as she has withdrawn the allegations and got back with her alleged attacker, surely she is the one, if anyone, who ought to explain why that is.

PP how would you phrase what happened to the CPS' charges against MG?

I thought that might challenge you.

Hey Rachel, your boy...

Time for a rethink...



https://twitter.com/Garnacho__utd/status/1728718610468905170?s=19

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https://twitter.com/UTDKara/status/1736089797314150403?s=19

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Countdown to Rachel giving up season ticket..

media disabled

See if that one survives...

https://twitter.com/Afolabiolamide8/status/1736155986073649247?s=19

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See if that one survives...

https://twitter.com/Afolabiolamide8/status/1736155986073649247?s=19

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WTF!! Is she wearing today???

Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree...

Jude Bellingham has been reported to La Liga after he was accused of calling Mason Greenwood a “rapist” during Thursday’s fixture between Real Madrid and Getafe.

Getafe officials requested that Bellingham’s alleged comment be included in the referee’s match report, with an official complaint now in the hands of La Liga.

The two players came face to face in the Spanish top flight for the first time, with Bellingham’s Madrid running out 2-0 winners. Greenwood and Bellingham came into close contact on a number of occasions and after a tackle by Bellingham on his fellow Englishman, the midfielder was seen on camera mouthing what appeared to be the word “rapist”.

The incident was picked up by fans watching on TV, with some suggesting what Bellingham actually said was “rubbish” and La Liga confirmed that a lip reader would be asked to examine the footage.

“Getafe yesterday transferred the complaint to the La Liga match director and La Liga, as it always does on these occasions, has requested an expert report on lip reading to investigate the matter and act on the basis of what can be proven beyond doubt [by the lip reader],” La Liga said in a statement.

Forensic lip-reader Jeremy Freeman has, however, told the Daily Mail when offering his opinion on what was said:

“After carefully analysing the clip, I am 97 per cent confident that the spoken word is ‘rapist’, particularly when considering the context in which it was used. The visual cues of the lips indicate the presence of the 'R' and 'P' sounds, and the word appears to end sharply. Additionally, the speaker seems to have a pronounced Brummie accent, which I factored into my interpretation. Given the clarity of these visual markers and the absence of any viable alternative interpretation, I am quite certain of this conclusion.”

wow if true bellingham in the ****

Scored from the spot with his weaker foot on Sunday, thats 7 and four assists for him this season.

A big Spanish side will sign him this summer, English clubs to scared.

Unlikely it's Real.

Barca would be spicy, but shirley not.

PSG losing mboppy,...

Doubt he'll be on the radar of top Spanish sides, baggage, cost/wages, 5 goals, 2 of them pens, in the league is nothing special. 2 cup goals in a 12-0 win.

There are plenty more impressive players in the league. Dobvyk, Couto and Savio of Girona for starters. City will prob take Savio.

Has Rachel expressed any opinions on Putin's war or the Israeli conflict in Gaza??   

I have a deal with the devil theory...

https://x.com/UTDKara/status/1908985413475393884?s=19


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From Grok.....

Based on the available information, Rachel Riley has not explicitly condemned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by name in her public statements regarding the Israeli-Gaza conflict.