£60m for Caicedo?

They should ask for £100m.

25 games in Ecuador

26 games for Brighton

12 games in the Belgian 2nd Division

28 games for Ecuador

55m Chelsea turned down
60m Arsenal turned down

We dont need to sell him, and we need him to help get us into Europe, but we have priced him at 100m. In a season or two that could look cheap.

Agreed

When a 'big' club wants to nick your talent you should ask BIG money.

Agreed but this kid is different! £100m is cheap. Just watch.

Cucurella and Bissouma. Both looked great there and sold for big money. Even Ben White has been shoved out to RB at Arsenal, though he's done ok.


Have to wonder if it's the system and team spirit at Brighton that makes the players look good rather than the other way around.

at this stage anyone half decent is at least £50m, then add £20-30m at least if a top club want them. crazy market. sad times. football been dead a while I am afraid.

Arsenal clearly involved in tapping up players.

If I was Brighton's owner I'd announce today a 75% premium on the price of any Brighton player moving to Arsenal.

Evferyone taps up. You don't bid for a player unless you know he's interested.

There is approaching a player's agent and encouraging a player to go awol.

Once the selling club has said no to the offer that should be the end of it.

£ 60 mill same club who sold cucca for £60 mill and the bloke that valued him and sold him now prefers a youth team player at chelsea in front of him

lol at Nobby, just came down in the last shower, every club taps players up and nobody did it more blatantly than Alex Ferguson who used to get his players to tap up players when joining up with national squads and sent Mexes a United shirt with his name on it, he turned them down anyway.

mesmerised the rules apply to everyone. It's up to the governing bodies to enforce them.

Don't liverpool put a clause in Coutinho's contract specifying a premium in any future sale to Barca because of their aggressive tapping up?

1st time poster - "£60 mill same club who sold cucca for £60 mill and the bloke that valued him and sold him now prefers a youth team player at chelsea in front of him"  If you think Potter made that decision, you know very little about the Brighton command structure

"Tapping up" ffs

Welcome to the 21st century.

Arsenal are not just tapping up. They are encouraging players to go AWOL.

Receipts?

To be fair to Caicedo, there is absolutely no evidence that he went AWOL.  He was given time off to think it over AFTER he admitted he would leave, and was left out of todays game.

Jan 29, 2023 -- 2:49PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

Arsenal are not just tapping up. They are encouraging players to go AWOL.

where are you pulling that from? No need to answer.

There were two clubs bidding but only one is responsible, not the other club or the player himself? It's on the player 100% regardless and you haven't a clue whether either club encouraged it.

Trossard went AWOL then turned up in an Arsenal shirt.

is anyone saying Chelsea were responsible for that?

Or was it just a coincidence?

No point moaning about it on the here.

Report your findings to the FA.

I'm stating a fact.

I only ever moan when I lose a bet.

It's not a fact though. We're not sure Caicedo has gone awol, or if it's just a time-out ordered by Brighton, and we don't know if Arsenal are pushing him to go on strike. All just speculation.

Surely for a few million they could hire all the Brighton staff who find these players

He was told not to train with the squad by Brighton until the transfer window is closed.

Brighton do this really well. Don't blame them for the way they are playing their hand. If a top club wants a player in January then they are going to have to pay. United under Fergusson knew they had to pay a premium because it was United. I guess they always do.

I really don't know how good this kid is. I thought they were after Danilo and he went to Forest for £16 million. Now Arsenal are looking at paying £160 million for 2 centre midfield players but they could well be what is required. Nearly everything else is in place. When the right goal scorer becomes available. They also have an eye on the Montpellier wunder kid and allegedly a new right back and a different paper said they were considering selling Tierney to Juve!

I think Arsenal would be right to roll the dice this once, but I don't know how good the kid is. The Title is there for the taking. The squad needs strengthening in the right places at the right price. Players will now want to come to Arsenal.

Surely for a few million they could hire all the Brighton staff who find these players

I read they were trying to steal a Spurs either Scout or young player developer

It's not a fact though.

It's a fact that Trossard went AWOL and then turned up in an Arsenal shirt. Just like Liverpool did with Barca after Coutinho saga Brighton should impose a surcharge on any further sales to Arsenal.

Yeah, but it's a bit 2+2=5. More chance imo that it's the player's agent telling the player to go on strike, than the buying club saying so. Either way, it's nothing more than speculation.

With Ben White Arsenal at first refused to pay Brighton's asking price then at the next window agreed to pay the full asking price. Brighton fast becoming a feeder club for Arsenal.

The Brighton scouts have left. Already elsewhere.

Have the Brighton scouts gone to Chelsea?

The Brighton scouts have left. Already elsewhere.

Potter did not take all of them

So Brighton dig their heels in and keep a player who doesn't want to play for the club, that's clever

What player do they think they're going to get for the rest of the season? a player that has played at the same level for the last few months? not only are his performances going to diminish because his head has turned 180 like an owl in the complete opposite direction but his transfer value is also going to depreciate along with it, then they have a problem going into next season, maybe they are so loaded these days having fleeced mugs like Chelsea and Tottenham for average players they genuinely do not need the money, by refusing him a better career they are also taking a Premier League title away from his which will also make him resent the club and likely to never reach the same level again. Any sensible board would just do the honourable thing and allow the kid to progress in life, clubs like Brighton should know their place in the pecking order and ecosystem, any good player they have will eventually have the bigger fish come circling, looking for pats on the back taking the moral high ground for holding him to his contract is all well and good but in the long run they will be the losers.

As for wantaway players getting a bad rap, why is it fair managers get to decide that a player is no longer good enough for them and can move them on with no backlash from the fans when he has a contract, why is it fair a club owner can decide an offer is too good to turn down for a player when he wants to stay but forces him to move on, with no backlash from the fans, yet a a player decides a club is no longer good enough for him and people are up in arms, fine him, banish him to the stands, make him train with the kids, double standards, a manger and an owner can decide a players contract is not worth the paper it's written on when it suits them but the player can't do the same thing....WALOFS.

Kind Regards.

Brighton refused to sell Ben White on the cheap to Arsenal and Arsenal came back in the next window with the full asking price. Plus there might be more clubs interested in the summer.

that's not comparable at all, Brighton were fighting for their lives half way though the 20/21 season floating just above the relegation zone at the end of the January transfer window, White was worth more to them at the club than the money given what relegation would cost, they needed him for the rest of the season.

And Arsenal paid the full asking price.

because he was worth it? what point are you making, we werent being fleeced. Cinderella is not even better than the left back they already had, they saw City making moves on him and acted, same with Mudryk.

he's bang average
Let Arsenal spunk 60million
shows how few quality holding midfielders there are around
and they laughed when ETH paid 60m for Casimero, whom this guy isnt fit to lace his boots

Mesmerised - I think the Caicedo situation is more complicated than you think it is. Firstly it is not clear that he wants to go, despite what his agent said he said. Secondly Brighton want him to help secure a place in Europe because a place in Europe will help them keep other players likely to be in demand before next season - Mitoma, Macallister, Estupinian and Lamptey.

You say "Any sensible board would just do the honourable thing".  Really!!.... The Brighton board don't seem to be doing too bad so far.  I don't think they are taking the moral high ground at all, they are just doing the balancing act that all teams in their situation have to.  Their "problem" if indeed it is one, is that they have lots of good players, some potentially much better than good.

I remember racehorse trainer Mark Johnston once said something along the lines of...
'Whenever the money comes calling, always take it.'

Its difficult for tony bloom and Brighton, what with Arsenal becoming something of a perennial pest during transfer windows.
Take the money and run.
And let the gunners know never to darken their door again.

"perennial pest" ffs

we're as tight as ****s

*rsoles

Arsenal signing Jorginho now? Poss they've baulked at the Caicedo price.

If i were a Gooner, and plenty of my family are, I would be more cockahoop than the Tottenham cockerel what Paul Gazza Gascoigne famously took a pot shot at with an air rife.
Fly me, that Chad Kroenke has worked the oracle there hasnt he?
Got rid of the underperforming fancy dans like Aubameyang and Ozil and brought in hungry up and comers like Gabby Jesus and Odegaard. Without any dip in quality, in fact with a noticable increase in performance.
Now they just dodged a 70m bullet for an unproven center mid to get a proven international and champions league winner in Jorginho.
Wesley snipes once said in the film Passenger 57 'always bet on black'.
Are Arsenal the best run club in the league? If thats the case then bet on red....

Well over 100 games in Serie A.

Well over 100 games in the Premier League.

Nearly 50 games for a successful country with plenty of talent to choose from.

~ £15m.


Much better than £70m or £80m for someone who has little experience or gametime.

Not really a fan of Jorginho personally. For us, I'd love Liverpool to see if we could get Kovacic for a half-decent fee. That lad always looks good to me.

The perfect fit for me was Douglas Luiz

I'm just wary of the EPL premium. Caicedo is probably the perfect example. Still very new, but played less than 100 senior games in his entire career. He's a £20m punt, but now you're seeing £60m quoted. Just seems mad and unsustainable. Should be looking further afield I reckon. But Kovacic for ~£20m would be good imo.

Brighton will get their asking price because they don't have to sell anyone, their bank balance is in rude health with their excellent scouting system.

Of course prices are even madder than usual. For the reason look no further than Todd Boehly.

Boehly wants to pay £105m for a striker who Benfica paid £10m for 6 months ago

https://twitter.com/TrollFootball/status/1620185653114982400?s=19

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https://twitter.com/ScottyHayter/status/1616104490582822912

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Boehly a perfect example of somebody with more money than sense, Simon Jordan trying to look clever by going against the grain and saying he knows what he's doing, getting around FFP he does but from a footballing perspective it is senseless, they only bought Sterling for 60 mil 5 months ago and now he looks surplus to requirements with Mudryk coming in who they only got because Arsenal wanted him, it was a big w1lly waving act on their part, look at us we're top dogs we can get who we want, you can't buy class. Knee jerk reaction to buy Fernandez for over 100 million who's barely scored 20 goals in his career, but he's a World Cup winner so that in Boehly's mind gives him gravitas in his billionaire circle of chums, who out there was even bidding 50 mil for him, release clause or not if no other bidders of that range then they'd have got him eventually, is he even better than Gallagher.

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Jan 31, 2023 -- 12:49PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

Boehly wants to pay £105m for a striker who Benfica paid £10m for 6 months ago

Did you watch the World Cup? On what planet is he a striker?

The only tome I noticed Fernández during the world cup was when he scored a goal but I accept he's a midfielder.

Just 15 months ago Jorginho was UEFA's Player of the Year and also came 3rd in the Balon d'Or, behind Messi and Lewandowski.  Known for his work-rate and for constantly talking throughout games.  Won Euro 2020 (and named in the Team of the Tournament) and a Champions League.  Sounds like a good asset and a bargain price.

Uninspiring, not sure why we're signing Chelsea cast offs. He's going from bench to another anyway.

Tbf mes, for the next 5 months to get us over the line, I reckon it could be a good bit of business.

He has experience of winning & high pressure situations & will be good for the kids to have around.

Caicedo way overpriced for what he's done plus no experience at the top table.

Actually think Jorginho is a decent signing.

Good business. Player has pedigree and certainly better than El Neneny who us injured. Might add to the dressing room and certainly talking on the pitch will help. Puts Brighton back in the box and sends a message to West Ham

JOURGH plays the pep/arteta game manipulating/rotating the ball in midfield boring most fans to death,but he,ll do a job  and he,s got the bonus of having 2 centre forwards at arsenal who make forward runs unlike at chelsea

I don't think Brighton have been put back in their box. They don't want to sell the player atm. Come the summer there may well be renewed interest but the player has 3 years left on his contract so the decision will be Brighton's.

As for sending West Ham a message, I'm pretty sure they don't want to sell Rice and if they do decide to then Arsenal will face competition form clubs with deep pockets. Rice won't be going for peanuts.

Rice and Bellingham will be hot properties
at end of this season.

I've seen loads of clubs tapping up already
by any means...

Who are the list of clubs after Rice, not heard of any interest abroad, Chelsea don't need him United don't need him, he wouldn't go to club like Tottenham that never wins anything, Arsenal don't need him with the central midfield we have with Partey, Xhaka, Odegaard and Smith Rowe, he wouldn't fit in, seems like paper talk, Liverpool seems more realistic but are their owners who want out going to fork out over 100m if that's what he apparently will cost, which is a laughable price. I don't see any clamour for his signature. If Newcastle make the Champions League, then a bidding war might ensue.

Rice is in control with his contract expiring next season and he'd be well advised to sit it out and leave for big singing on free, West Ham are not in a position to start dictating price.

Musiala a popular lad too.

Bellingham worth at least 40-50m more than Rice imo..

if a club pay 130m for Bellingham in the current climate - don't think that would be ridiculous..

Rice feels more a 60-70m - (80m as English) ...also not sure Rice is a great fit for some of the clubs currently linked with him

I think Rice would be attractive to Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, City, United, Liverpool & Newcastle.

If he sits it out till he's a free agent then you could possibly add PSG, Juve & Madrid.

Rice is 24 and proven in the PL

Utd as an example is not a good fit...ETH likes a QB pivot ...Casemiro going to be first choice as the more robust holding player and a better player than Rice..they won't play alongside very often as that's not the blueprint..so 80m or more potentially just doesn't make sense for Utd...

If united are to challenge for league titles and the Champions League the are going to need strength in depth.

But I agree there will be midfielders in Europe just as able for half Rice's price.

Both Cancelo and Eriksen turn 31 in a couple of weeks. Behind them there's just a bunch of misfits. I'd expect Utd's big summer signing to be a midfielder, and Rice is probably near the top of the list surely.

You can’t tKe the boy out of London!