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By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 27 Jan 23 18:39
They should ask for £100m.
By:
lybertyne
When: 27 Jan 23 19:00
25 games in Ecuador

26 games for Brighton

12 games in the Belgian 2nd Division

28 games for Ecuador
By:
blackbarn
When: 27 Jan 23 19:38
55m Chelsea turned down
60m Arsenal turned down

We dont need to sell him, and we need him to help get us into Europe, but we have priced him at 100m. In a season or two that could look cheap.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 27 Jan 23 19:58
Agreed

When a 'big' club wants to nick your talent you should ask BIG money.
By:
blackbarn
When: 27 Jan 23 21:20
Agreed but this kid is different! £100m is cheap. Just watch.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 28 Jan 23 09:17
Cucurella and Bissouma. Both looked great there and sold for big money. Even Ben White has been shoved out to RB at Arsenal, though he's done ok.


Have to wonder if it's the system and team spirit at Brighton that makes the players look good rather than the other way around.
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 28 Jan 23 10:02
at this stage anyone half decent is at least £50m, then add £20-30m at least if a top club want them. crazy market. sad times. football been dead a while I am afraid.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 28 Jan 23 12:06
Arsenal clearly involved in tapping up players.

If I was Brighton's owner I'd announce today a 75% premium on the price of any Brighton player moving to Arsenal.
By:
lurka
When: 28 Jan 23 12:19
Evferyone taps up. You don't bid for a player unless you know he's interested.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 28 Jan 23 12:24
There is approaching a player's agent and encouraging a player to go awol.

Once the selling club has said no to the offer that should be the end of it.
By:
1st time poster
When: 28 Jan 23 12:36
£ 60 mill same club who sold cucca for £60 mill and the bloke that valued him and sold him now prefers a youth team player at chelsea in front of him
By:
mesmerised
When: 28 Jan 23 12:40
lol at Nobby, just came down in the last shower, every club taps players up and nobody did it more blatantly than Alex Ferguson who used to get his players to tap up players when joining up with national squads and sent Mexes a United shirt with his name on it, he turned them down anyway.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 28 Jan 23 12:59
mesmerised the rules apply to everyone. It's up to the governing bodies to enforce them.

Don't liverpool put a clause in Coutinho's contract specifying a premium in any future sale to Barca because of their aggressive tapping up?
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 Jan 23 15:30
1st time poster - "£60 mill same club who sold cucca for £60 mill and the bloke that valued him and sold him now prefers a youth team player at chelsea in front of him"  If you think Potter made that decision, you know very little about the Brighton command structureCool
By:
Wesdag
When: 29 Jan 23 12:30
"Tapping up" ffs Laugh

Welcome to the 21st century.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 29 Jan 23 14:49
Arsenal are not just tapping up. They are encouraging players to go AWOL.
By:
Wesdag
When: 29 Jan 23 17:52
Receipts? Crazy
By:
blackbarn
When: 29 Jan 23 18:17
To be fair to Caicedo, there is absolutely no evidence that he went AWOL.  He was given time off to think it over AFTER he admitted he would leave, and was left out of todays game.
By:
lurka
When: 30 Jan 23 12:09

Jan 29, 2023 -- 2:49PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:


Arsenal are not just tapping up. They are encouraging players to go AWOL.


where are you pulling that from? No need to answer.

There were two clubs bidding but only one is responsible, not the other club or the player himself? It's on the player 100% regardless and you haven't a clue whether either club encouraged it.

By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 30 Jan 23 12:15
Trossard went AWOL then turned up in an Arsenal shirt.

is anyone saying Chelsea were responsible for that?

Or was it just a coincidence?
By:
Wesdag
When: 30 Jan 23 13:04
No point moaning about it on the here.

Report your findings to the FA.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 30 Jan 23 14:08
I'm stating a fact.

I only ever moan when I lose a bet.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 30 Jan 23 14:10
It's not a fact though. We're not sure Caicedo has gone awol, or if it's just a time-out ordered by Brighton, and we don't know if Arsenal are pushing him to go on strike. All just speculation.
By:
Crisp77
When: 30 Jan 23 14:28
Surely for a few million they could hire all the Brighton staff who find these players Grin
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 30 Jan 23 14:33
He was told not to train with the squad by Brighton until the transfer window is closed.

Brighton do this really well. Don't blame them for the way they are playing their hand. If a top club wants a player in January then they are going to have to pay. United under Fergusson knew they had to pay a premium because it was United. I guess they always do.

I really don't know how good this kid is. I thought they were after Danilo and he went to Forest for £16 million. Now Arsenal are looking at paying £160 million for 2 centre midfield players but they could well be what is required. Nearly everything else is in place. When the right goal scorer becomes available. They also have an eye on the Montpellier wunder kid and allegedly a new right back and a different paper said they were considering selling Tierney to Juve!

I think Arsenal would be right to roll the dice this once, but I don't know how good the kid is. The Title is there for the taking. The squad needs strengthening in the right places at the right price. Players will now want to come to Arsenal.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 30 Jan 23 14:35
Surely for a few million they could hire all the Brighton staff who find these players

I read they were trying to steal a Spurs either Scout or young player developer
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 30 Jan 23 15:53
It's not a fact though.

It's a fact that Trossard went AWOL and then turned up in an Arsenal shirt. Just like Liverpool did with Barca after Coutinho saga Brighton should impose a surcharge on any further sales to Arsenal.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 30 Jan 23 16:22
Yeah, but it's a bit 2+2=5. More chance imo that it's the player's agent telling the player to go on strike, than the buying club saying so. Either way, it's nothing more than speculation.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 30 Jan 23 16:30
With Ben White Arsenal at first refused to pay Brighton's asking price then at the next window agreed to pay the full asking price. Brighton fast becoming a feeder club for Arsenal.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 30 Jan 23 16:47
The Brighton scouts have left. Already elsewhere.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 30 Jan 23 17:33
Have the Brighton scouts gone to Chelsea?
By:
blackbarn
When: 30 Jan 23 17:36
The Brighton scouts have left. Already elsewhere.

Potter did not take all of themCool
By:
mesmerised
When: 30 Jan 23 18:56
So Brighton dig their heels in and keep a player who doesn't want to play for the club, that's clever

What player do they think they're going to get for the rest of the season? a player that has played at the same level for the last few months? not only are his performances going to diminish because his head has turned 180 like an owl in the complete opposite direction but his transfer value is also going to depreciate along with it, then they have a problem going into next season, maybe they are so loaded these days having fleeced mugs like Chelsea and Tottenham for average players they genuinely do not need the money, by refusing him a better career they are also taking a Premier League title away from his which will also make him resent the club and likely to never reach the same level again. Any sensible board would just do the honourable thing and allow the kid to progress in life, clubs like Brighton should know their place in the pecking order and ecosystem, any good player they have will eventually have the bigger fish come circling, looking for pats on the back taking the moral high ground for holding him to his contract is all well and good but in the long run they will be the losers.

As for wantaway players getting a bad rap, why is it fair managers get to decide that a player is no longer good enough for them and can move them on with no backlash from the fans when he has a contract, why is it fair a club owner can decide an offer is too good to turn down for a player when he wants to stay but forces him to move on, with no backlash from the fans, yet a a player decides a club is no longer good enough for him and people are up in arms, fine him, banish him to the stands, make him train with the kids, double standards, a manger and an owner can decide a players contract is not worth the paper it's written on when it suits them but the player can't do the same thing....WALOFS.

Kind Regards.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 30 Jan 23 19:04
Brighton refused to sell Ben White on the cheap to Arsenal and Arsenal came back in the next window with the full asking price. Plus there might be more clubs interested in the summer.
By:
mesmerised
When: 30 Jan 23 19:14
that's not comparable at all, Brighton were fighting for their lives half way though the 20/21 season floating just above the relegation zone at the end of the January transfer window, White was worth more to them at the club than the money given what relegation would cost, they needed him for the rest of the season.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 30 Jan 23 19:30
And Arsenal paid the full asking price.
By:
mesmerised
When: 30 Jan 23 19:38
because he was worth it? what point are you making, we werent being fleeced. Cinderella is not even better than the left back they already had, they saw City making moves on him and acted, same with Mudryk.
By:
Stevo
When: 30 Jan 23 19:39
he's bang average
Let Arsenal spunk 60million
shows how few quality holding midfielders there are around
and they laughed when ETH paid 60m for Casimero, whom this guy isnt fit to lace his boots
By:
blackbarn
When: 30 Jan 23 19:53
Mesmerised - I think the Caicedo situation is more complicated than you think it is. Firstly it is not clear that he wants to go, despite what his agent said he said. Secondly Brighton want him to help secure a place in Europe because a place in Europe will help them keep other players likely to be in demand before next season - Mitoma, Macallister, Estupinian and Lamptey.

You say "Any sensible board would just do the honourable thing".  Really!!.... The Brighton board don't seem to be doing too bad so far.  I don't think they are taking the moral high ground at all, they are just doing the balancing act that all teams in their situation have to.  Their "problem" if indeed it is one, is that they have lots of good players, some potentially much better than good.
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