*** FRANCE V ARGENTINA - WORLD CUP FINAL 2022 ***

A great game of football and thoroughly entertaining.

Pogba says yo yo utd .
Messi

I'm going to Selhurst Park on Boxing Day, Palace v Fulham.
Not quite up to this standard but looking forward to it regardless.

Looking forward to hearing what the Argies sing in the dressing room

Argentina deserve it more. They won it the hard way; a beautiful 2nd goal. The French had 2 penalties in the game. Also, the smugness disappearing from President Macron is priceless.

They keep mentioning teh Argentine team that won in 86 ,the 78 lot won it as well ,Kempes ,Luqe,etc werent bad either .

Martinez is a superb pen keeper. Say what you want but mind games are all part of the shootout.

The dancing on the line for the 2 misses seriously put off the takers. When you see it head on its very distracting. Compare to that useless Lloris who stands like a statue and dives too early

I'm sick of the Messi/Ronaldo 5hite but Argentina deserved it

For 70mins france were on course to put an all time worst performance ever. Absolute stink. 0 shots on goal ffs

One thing, Messi was not MOTM in that Final. Midfield and defence won it with their work rate and closing down.

Sickening

At least I got the +1 normal time and Mpabbe top scorer in play before the game

But nah can’t be doing with that Messi love in incoming

yes,the boy Leo scored twice,converted his pen but 4 me the goalie won it 4 them with the last min save and his pen shootout heroics

is that his mum?

Martinez steps back behind the line then quite a bit over to push forward, clearly an illegal move under new rules !

Macron is a fascist
Lockdown fanatics
World champions pure bloods

I forgot about the +1 bet in the stupidity though

Shame Maradona not here to see this

he'll be snorting like fk in celebration on the other side!

Not a word from the holier-than-thou BBC Football Human Rights pundits about their Hated Qatar Regime since kick-off today.

Aguero having a John Terry moment, on the pitch in a full kit

The 3 goals that Sir Hurst scored in a World Cup Final was any a penalty? Mbappe was aided by 2 pens in the game.

Mbappe scored 3 penalties

If France had Southgate as a manager they would
have lost 3-0

We would have said how one sided...

Messi rolls some pens that would get saved easy if the GK went the right way.
But they don't!

December 18, 2022 6:12 PM GMT

Mbappe scored 3 penalties

Entertained?

Will Messi retire now?

And the players would likely be less upset
than having lost in a penalty shootout

that dybala penalty...........holy moly

Interesting to see the media report Messi has won the WC and not Argentina have won the WC. They'll be noshing him for years

Laughable Messi won MOTM in that game. He has been a superb player throughout his career but getting MOTM is laughable.

Why do keepers not just stand still for penalties? They'll have less ground to cover. Also, it makes the takers take most of the risk!

Credit where credit is due .....


Well done to the World Champions...
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Saudi Arabia

what's with Keane's stupid moustache, is he pitching for a job as IRA's top brass

Where was Mr Southgate? On a deckchair in the Caribbean?

Seaman's handing over the trophy

messi played well..........he scored two goals. and was making things happen. he played well.

I thought I saw Frank Worthington at the podium!

Seems wrong that a World Cup final is settled on penalties, should have a rematch

Why do keepers not just stand still for penalties? They'll have less ground to cover. Also, it makes the takers take most of the risk!



The thing about standing up and not moving early is it increases the chances of the taker missing the target all together. Lloris was awful in that shootout. Pure Spurs. Absolute losing in their DNA. Imagine sacking a coach few days before a final so you don't have to give him a bigger payoff.

Seems wrong that a World Cup final is settled on penalties, should have a rematch


Actually think thats a good idea.

since the world cup went to 32 teams, is messi the only player to score in all knockout rounds?.........

How did Kane not score against Lloris? I'd forgotten what happened.

Ronaldo will 100% play on til the age of 41 now to have one last crack at winning a World Cup

A rematch is an anti-climax. A result must be delivered on the same evening/day.

so that match was a draw then

Laturao martinez missed so many chnces in this world cup...........

How unseemly from the GK

How things have changed with replays now appear to be unthinkable in favour of a something that was supposed to be awarded for foul play. Might just as well toss a coin at the end of a game.

Bellingham odds on backers young player of the tournament, that's got to be the worst bet of the tournament.

Bellingham odds on backers young player of the tournament, that's got to be the worst bet of the tournament.


What was the lowest odds? Odds on? Jesus wept. Odds for that type of award as part of a team knocked out in the QF

France's defence was s*** all tournament, how can he not see that Saliba is their best defender

At least its only 3 1/2 years to the next WC

this argentinian team is as much a one man team as the 1986 team. messi obviously did not play near the level diego did in 1986 but seriously without him, they would be no where. the only guy who could make something happen........well i should add di maria for his fist half performance in the final.

Macron ..... a very little man

who is the gy next to Macron ? Its not the Argie president

Argi president was at home. He thought he'd be bad luck for his country had he watched the game in Doha.

That moment Messi lifting the World cup completely ruined by that stupid rag they draped him in

Sergio Aguero = John Terry

Will these players be dope tested post this celebration? What happens on a positive?

Take that cloak off Messi !

Has Ronaldo won the World Cup? Messi has on his last attempt.

Dec 18, 2022 -- 6:45PM, impossible123 wrote:

Will these players be dope tested post this celebration? What happens on a positive?

They were routinely tested and their explanations were noted

everyone knows ronaldo is seething

I didnt think I would, but Ive really enjoyed this World Cup...............Football: £918.45

Laughable to even consider Ronaldo in the same sentence as the likes of Maradona.

Maradona was just not normal.

Cracking final.
Excellent World Cup overall.

Anyway, glad to see the back of this tournament. It was the same sh1t from the English team. And, well done Argentina!

That performance today reminded me of Dembeles unveiling at the Nou Camp when he was trying to do keepy uppies and was mocked by the Spanish media

An all time awful 40 mins of football from him.

Must be £ for £ the worst signing of all time. I'd say some PL clubs dodged a bullet in the summer

Camavinga and Comen turned the whole game. They should have ben on sooner and can hold their heads high

Deschamps deserves credit for the 2 double subs which changed the game & nearly won it.

Southgate would've sat on his hands.

Safegate might well have took Mbappe off

Southgate would've sat on his hands.


ludicrous nonsense Wesdaq....

he'd have brough on another holding midfielder and lost 0-2....

Good job kane didn't lift that cup in that robe.....


We would've been the joke of the world

Most crooked world.cup in history

done your bits Iris' ?

irishone correct as usual

agree racingqueen about dembele.......cant figure out how he gets into a french starting 11.

Honestly irish?  '66 and Sir Stanley Rous takes a bit of beating.
Well done Messi - legacy now assured.  Absolutely outstanding he was - in every round bar the first.
He only has two more to win to match the GOAT.

As for Dembele my big question was - what was he doing in the right back position anyway when there were five defenders strung across the back, any one of whom could have been out where he was.?

judging the goat race purely on international football is a joke. its fixed by geography........only 8 countries have ever won it. someone like lewondowski - who is nearly mbappe's equal - has no chance of ever winning the world cup. you have to analyse a players international and club career........its a once every 4 year comp which is a knockout and as i said fixed by geography.
that being said pele also had a great club career. he won their champions league twice and won the 2 legged world club game (v euro champions of europe) twice, scoring bags of goals. and he has had the best international career ever........so for me, its between pele and messi. maradonna did not do enough at club career. there were maybe 5 or 6 great years but he didnt have the dedication of pele or messi to have a great 12-15 club career. everyone goes on about maradonna's 2 seria wins and eufa cup win for napoli assuming he did it all by himself - he didnt.........careca scored 6 goals when they won the eufa cup, maradonna scored 3.........how can you compare their careers in european club football......messi was top scorer in la liga and the champiopns league nearly 10 times...maradonna scored 13 goals in 32 games in the euro and eufa cup  - messi 129 in 160. yes the game has totally changed but seriously ask yourself the question.......if maradoona was born in 1985 like messi, would he have had such a great club career- scoring 700 goals. the answer is no because he didnt have the dedication. the quality of players diego had with him for argentina in 1986 is similar to messi in 2022.......you diego fans are not seriously going to tell me that these argentina players are world beaters.......messi was defo the best player in this world cup. ok not as good as diego in 1986..........also messi didnt test positive for performance enhancing drugs in a world cup did he?.......no one ever talks about that.
messi's long term success and the frequency of his great performances put him ahead of diego. but comparing to pele is more difficult.
ronaldo is not in the discussion.......he played in 5 world cups but never did anything above average. great club career though.

lewondowski - who is nearly mbappe's equal

Btw, if your idea of being the GOAT is focussed mainly on goal stats then Harry Kane would be ahead of Maradona.

Maradona probably wouldn't be in the top 100 on that basis.

All players can do is be the best of their generation.

Pele was clearly the best in his as was Cruyff, Maradona, Zidane & now Messi.

Pointless trying to come up with an overall GOAT as football is vastly different now to Pele's time.

Then, 2 footed tackles & potato field pitches were the norm.

Maradona wasn't really a goalscorer and didn't play in teams as good as the others, didn't rely on pace either. A unique player.
Team achievements are team achievements.

Dec 18, 2022 -- 7:33PM, Racingqueen wrote:

That performance today reminded me of Dembeles unveiling at the Nou Camp when he was trying to do keepy uppies and was mocked by the Spanish mediaAn all time awful 40 mins of football from him. Must be £ for £ the worst signing of all time. I'd say some PL clubs dodged a bullet in the summerCamavinga and Comen turned the whole game. They should have ben on sooner and can hold their heads high

I said it at the qf stage. He's been pretty poor for the whole tournament.

WESDAQ............lewandowski has scored 558 goals in 765 games for his club.........Lewan has 98 goals in european club games.....third in champions league behind messi and ronaldo........lets see if mbappe overtakes these goal records for club............i bet he wont.
mbappe is having a great international career though...........he has a pretty decent squad around him to be fair........

Lewandowski has inflated figures in a micky mouse league dominated by one team, there's top heavy then there's the Bundesliga, they outspend everyone on wages to attract the best players, nobody else can compete, he's a good striker but he's not in the World Class bracket, you choose many over forwards over him. Didn't he once score 40 goals in a 36 game season, nobody in England has every scored more than 34 in 38, and we've had Henry, Suarez, Van Nistlerooy and the like, Haaland looks like he's shaping up to but I'd hazard a guess he'll probably end up around 34/35 bar injury.

mesmerised........if lewan is playing in a one team donkey league, then what is mbappe playing in?
lewan is 3rd in all time champions league goals........so he is obviously world class.

bdj - I know you love your stats to prove a point but they don't tell the whole story.

Going by your logic, Lewandowski is better than Maradona simply because he's got a superior goals per game ratio.

im not saying that wesdaq.......the goat debate is impossible. but maradonna clubs career is not as good as people think. he played in 2 european cups (champions league) and did nothing. but i accept football was totally diff again. if he didnt have a drug problem we would have seen mexico 1986 replicated in the european cup and in a longer club career. he was finished at 30.

Get this, nobody gives a fcuk about his club career, his medals, his goal ratio or his cocaine habit.

What most people look at is whether he was the most gifted, talented footballer ever.

The only player to rival him for pure unadulterated skill is Pele.

"What most people look at is whether he was the most gifted, talented footballer ever."


for you to suggest that talent alone is what matters is bonkers.......in every sport there has ever been there have been so many talented players who have put a season or two together but dont have the stats or the career to back it up.......im not saying that in relation to maradonna, but he doesnt have the frequency or goal tally that pele and messi have. that matters.

13 goals in 32 appearances in european club competitions is not impressive. he was not dedicated enough......van basten had 33 in 47 in euro club comps......his career got derailed by injury not drugs.......people wheel out the "life is life" warm up..............ive done a few of them myself......in fact i did one this morning after being inspired by messi.........i will upload it later as part of my body of work.........

because maradonna did what he did in 1986 everyone assumes he won the eufa cup by himself for napoli.......he only scored 3 goals. and there were some poor teams early on......in one of the seria years where he won for napoli, he only scored 10...........messi was top scorer for barcelona in in nearly every comp in nearly every season for 15 years.........

one thing that the pundits and genuis's on here have not been talking about is the shocking lack of discipline from the argentine players.......they could have had 2 or 3 sent off..........there were some shocking and blatant take downs.........the argie offendors would then fling themselves to the ground as if they had been fouled.........they were bad v holland as well........

bdj - you're obsessed with goal scorers & their stats.

It isn't an individual sport so personal stats are not the be all & end all.

If its all about goals, then where's Gerd Muller & Jimmy Greaves?

Is anyone putting them ahead of Maradona?

As I've said if greatness is purely about goal stats, then even Harry Kane is well ahead of Maradona.

in a sport where the average amount of goals scored per game is 2.7, wesdaq says goal stats dont matter...........

Good game lads, wasn't it.

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If its all about goals, then where's Gerd Muller & Jimmy Greaves?

2 of the best ever,if not THE 2 best ever strikers..awesome players

Messi,for me,has the best ball skills i've ever seen..seen those clips of him as a tiny nino sprog,he had it THEN..god given talent

Maradona similar but chalk and cheese as personalities

i've always thought Leo is a bit on the autistic,introvert spectrum,a tad gauche and finds his expressiveness on the pitch

gotta love Diego,a totally charismatic,dynamic Duracell bunny type whose magnetism rubbed off on those less gifted than himself

obviously Pele was awesome in his day and the progenitor template for those who came after who had the genius to stand comparison with him

just count ourselves lucky to have witnessed these generational game changers

similarly Fedex,Rafa and the Joker

Great result for Argentine football. Shame about the 100% inflation rate which will still be there next week. And we go on strike when it hits 10%!

Argentine footy is a plus so im happy for that for them

But Messi goat stuff is a switch off