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Maybe Lurka's on to something. Fergie also went all scorched earth on Man Utd before his departure. 
SAF's last purchase for United was a young Wilfred Zaha.
Aug 17, 2021 -- 4:29PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:
SAF's last purchase for United was a young Wilfred Zaha.
Exactly.
Fergie didn't freshen up his squad in his last few years and left Moyes with an aging squad well past their best. And Phil Jones.
Aug 17, 2021 -- 3:15PM, LoyalHoncho wrote:
So, according to Lurka, Wenger, who loved Arsenal so much, and probably still does, and managed them for more than twenty very successful years, then operated a "scorched earth" policy in ADVANCE of leaving.
You haven't a clue. Do you think you know more about Arsenal than I do?
Instead of attacking me, why don't you go through what I wrote and point out where I am wrong. You won't do this because you don't have the minerals to engage in a cogent argument and aren't as familiar with the facts or history as I am. You consistently write vague, two-line nonsense ripostes with emoji's on this forum. That's the level of discussion you are at. Primary school level.
Instead of attacking me, why don't you go through what I wrote and point out where I am wrong. You won't do this because you don't have the minerals to engage in a cogent argument and aren't as familiar with the facts or history as I am. You consistently write vague, two-line nonsense ripostes with emoji's on this forum. That's the level of discussion you are at. Primary school level.
Wenger lost his advantage in the French market. By 2015 it was Leicester picking up relative unknowns like Mahrez and Kante and winning the league. That's what Wenger used to do.
When you are at the top you are the benchmark, people copy you and you lose your advantage. The drinking culture stopped after Wenger arrived because he was all about preparation and diet etc and revolutionised English football on and off the pitch. The rest followed suit. You see the same thing happening with Pep, the league is full of copycat managers.
Wenger was a busted flush for at least 5 years before he left. He was a control freak and had way too much control from top to bottom at Arsenal. No manager should be involved in some of the stuff he had input into, like the stadium etc. He even interviewed his own boss, Gazidis, for his job! And even Kroenke, the most famous absentee owner of all, had to step in before the end and wrestle control of transfer policy from Wenger, who had complete carte blanche before then and often refused to spend. Kroenke! The last owner in the league to get involved in anything. That's how bad Wenger had got and how badly the state of the squad had become a couple of years before he left.
When you are at the top you are the benchmark, people copy you and you lose your advantage. The drinking culture stopped after Wenger arrived because he was all about preparation and diet etc and revolutionised English football on and off the pitch. The rest followed suit. You see the same thing happening with Pep, the league is full of copycat managers.
Wenger was a busted flush for at least 5 years before he left. He was a control freak and had way too much control from top to bottom at Arsenal. No manager should be involved in some of the stuff he had input into, like the stadium etc. He even interviewed his own boss, Gazidis, for his job! And even Kroenke, the most famous absentee owner of all, had to step in before the end and wrestle control of transfer policy from Wenger, who had complete carte blanche before then and often refused to spend. Kroenke! The last owner in the league to get involved in anything. That's how bad Wenger had got and how badly the state of the squad had become a couple of years before he left.
I wasn't suggesting Wenger did any of that deliberately. It was gross incompetence and obsession with personal success (ie getting back to top 4) coupled with the knowledge that he wouldn't have to deal with the aftermath. Same with Fergie. The Last Dance.
50 million for Ben White, 30 million for Odengaard, massive new deals for aging players who are well past their best. Has someone infiltrated Arsenal and are they sabotaging them in the transfer market?
Ben white the towering presence that Arsenal have been waiting for
I thought the towering presence went to Marseille?
certainly hasnt got an arsenal shirt. to many boys in the arsenal setup, has been for 10 plus years
Odegaard, White and Ramsdale....... Arsenal really wetting the apetitie of Arsenal supporters
Ramsdale goodness me, nothing against the lad, but last season Bournemouth to Sheffield united that's about right, but to arsenal it doesn't fit right, the lad is too small to be a top top keeper, something very wrong at arsenal.
Great posts Lurka.
I see Emery/Arteta as a continuation of the late Wenger Era.
It really would be much the same if Arsene was still there.
I see Emery/Arteta as a continuation of the late Wenger Era.
It really would be much the same if Arsene was still there.
I don't get the Ramsdale at all. He is an average to bad goalkeeper in my eyes, will he even start? Otherwise you've just paid 24+6m for a reserve goalkeeper? What? Feels like Arsenal are spending a lot of money to not really improve.
You think if your club spent over one tenth of one million pounds on new players that the fans might get at least a semi but no. Most are putting their heads in their hands and some like the Arsenal goalkeepers are missing!.
Leno is obviously Arteta's No 1. Why else would you allow Martinez to leave and not take up the option to buy Mat Ryan? Both are very good keepers in my mind.
So to spend 30 mill on a reserve keeper is feckin ludicrous.
So to spend 30 mill on a reserve keeper is feckin ludicrous.
That's why Pepe and White were bought so you may have a point.
Lurka.
Really factual posts and i agree 100% with virtually everything you say.
I totally despair of what has happened over the past few seasons.
The trouble is i don't see it getting any better any time soon.
It's going to be a hard long season, again!!
Really factual posts and i agree 100% with virtually everything you say.
I totally despair of what has happened over the past few seasons.
The trouble is i don't see it getting any better any time soon.
It's going to be a hard long season, again!!
Has Arsenal really spent as much money on players as Chelsea, city nad United over the last 5 years? all that to finish 7th
no hope relegation certs
put your mortgage on them to go down
put your mortgage on them to go down
they'll be bottom by then, as Man City will anialate Arsenal.
Arteta isn't in a good place for sure but I don't think today's "performance" made it worse.
They've already spunked all they are willing to spend this window on Arteta.
In previous years I think they were constrained by the massive wage bill and FFP rules and couldn't spend any more on a manager, which is why they went cheap with Emery and Arteta rather than spend the £10m+ Wenger was on (they had to pay off both Wenger and Emery when they left which ate into the wage budget for the next manager).
But this year those rules have been relaxed which is why they've gone and outspent everyone after a year of low revenues. So they could have gone out and thrown a big wage at a top manager for the first and prob only time this year. They'd have been better off. They could probably still do this even now and once the rules are reintroduced they will be back in the same boat. A missed opportunity.
I don't think they are complete skinflints, they increased spending after they took control in 2011 and again after they lost CL and have made a loss every year since. They spend within the club's means and within the FFP rules. It makes no sense to spend £200m and waste it like Arteta has. They are just clueless mugs who have prob missed a massive opportunity to get someone like Conte in this window.
In previous years I think they were constrained by the massive wage bill and FFP rules and couldn't spend any more on a manager, which is why they went cheap with Emery and Arteta rather than spend the £10m+ Wenger was on (they had to pay off both Wenger and Emery when they left which ate into the wage budget for the next manager).
But this year those rules have been relaxed which is why they've gone and outspent everyone after a year of low revenues. So they could have gone out and thrown a big wage at a top manager for the first and prob only time this year. They'd have been better off. They could probably still do this even now and once the rules are reintroduced they will be back in the same boat. A missed opportunity.
I don't think they are complete skinflints, they increased spending after they took control in 2011 and again after they lost CL and have made a loss every year since. They spend within the club's means and within the FFP rules. It makes no sense to spend £200m and waste it like Arteta has. They are just clueless mugs who have prob missed a massive opportunity to get someone like Conte in this window.
Good post lurka. I never though the day would come Arsenal would spend +100m on transfers and I would be so underwhelmed. The first few games sort of set the tone for the season, Arsenal are bound to lose at City and it is going to be a long season for fans to endure. Will probably finish mid table again, they seem to play best in low pressure under the radar matches. Sadly Arteta does not make the grade, he seemed to get the team together but not much else going well atm.
A tricky one, arteta obviously clueless, that won't change. The new signings will probably all at the very least hold their value you would imagine, of course a lot depends on how they settle and aubamayang will probably go, so from a financial point of view they are not the worst decisions.
However until a top class manager comes in they are at nothing, and like the chicken and egg, unless you have a top manager and champion league football you won't get top players.
Then what do you do, you get a potentially top class manager, and sign the best players from lower league clubs and bridge the gap to champions league places hopefully achieving it withing 3/4 seasons, BUT NOT with ARTETA in charge.
However until a top class manager comes in they are at nothing, and like the chicken and egg, unless you have a top manager and champion league football you won't get top players.
Then what do you do, you get a potentially top class manager, and sign the best players from lower league clubs and bridge the gap to champions league places hopefully achieving it withing 3/4 seasons, BUT NOT with ARTETA in charge.
Sorry meant lower clubs in terms of size, not lower league clubs.
I think there is a good chance they will, just my opinion.
Can't see those two holding those values. There is a premium on them because they are English/homegrown. Can only see another English club paying that much for them and realistically that would only be one of the CL clubs. They will not look worth anything like that money playing under this manager. And the club are useless at getting value in the transfer market.
In any case once 'resale value' is the crucial factor in your signings you are finished as a big club.
The aim of top clubs is to sign world class players, keep them for their prime years, then let them go to MLS or back to South America when they are 33, with no concern about getting a fee.
The aim of top clubs is to sign world class players, keep them for their prime years, then let them go to MLS or back to South America when they are 33, with no concern about getting a fee.
Arsenal are not a top club any more. There should be some element of signing players who might appreciate in value and to generate extra revenue from transfer market profits if they want to get back to the top quickly. Liverpool have done this to great effect in recent years to come from outside top 4 to winning the league and PL and money/profits they generated from player sales played a major part in that.
But when you are spending £200m in 18 months you should expect a large chunk of that to improve the team immediately and it doesn't seem to have, nor do the bulk of the players bought look like they will appreciate in value. Having a manager who gets the best out of the players also increases the value of almost the whole squad. That is the most important signing you can make. Klopp and Arteta are opposite ends of the spectrum in that regard.
Chelsea made over £450m profit on player sales in the 10 years to 2019 and City also generate money from player sales. It is not as simple as looking at what a player cost v what he was sold for. A player's cost is written down/amortised over the length of his contract and even if you sell him at a 'loss' with a year left on his contract that can actually show as a profit in the books and allows you to spend more in that accounting period under FFP rules. Marina at Chelsea and her counterpart at Liverpool are prob the best in the league at doing this.
But when you are spending £200m in 18 months you should expect a large chunk of that to improve the team immediately and it doesn't seem to have, nor do the bulk of the players bought look like they will appreciate in value. Having a manager who gets the best out of the players also increases the value of almost the whole squad. That is the most important signing you can make. Klopp and Arteta are opposite ends of the spectrum in that regard.
Chelsea made over £450m profit on player sales in the 10 years to 2019 and City also generate money from player sales. It is not as simple as looking at what a player cost v what he was sold for. A player's cost is written down/amortised over the length of his contract and even if you sell him at a 'loss' with a year left on his contract that can actually show as a profit in the books and allows you to spend more in that accounting period under FFP rules. Marina at Chelsea and her counterpart at Liverpool are prob the best in the league at doing this.
eg you buy a player for 80m on a 5 year deal. If you sell him for 30m after 4 years, you will have written the cost down in your accounts by 16m x4 = 64m with 16m cost left in the final year and that will show as a 14m profit (30m - 16m) on your books. Most fans will see that as a 50m loss.
When a coach comes to a club that's in need of rebuilding it takes a while for the club to get the players in that the coach deems necessary to improve the squad.
Any coach can tell his chairman he wants Kane, Mbappé & Van **** but the chairman might not be willing to splash out that kind of cash and Kane, Mbappé & Van **** might not want to join a team in transition. So the coach has to accept lesser players who will improve the team.
Arteta left the comfort and endless cash of City to take on the huge task of revitalising Arsenal and the club have a very difficult start to the season. It's easy for fans to throw around charges of being useless but sometimes it's not all the coach's fault.
Any coach can tell his chairman he wants Kane, Mbappé & Van **** but the chairman might not be willing to splash out that kind of cash and Kane, Mbappé & Van **** might not want to join a team in transition. So the coach has to accept lesser players who will improve the team.
Arteta left the comfort and endless cash of City to take on the huge task of revitalising Arsenal and the club have a very difficult start to the season. It's easy for fans to throw around charges of being useless but sometimes it's not all the coach's fault.
You'd have a point if he'd just joined this season. He's been there 18 months and hasn't improved them one bit. The goals conceded column has improved a lot. People say the defence has improved but it hasn't. He defends with 8 or more men behind the ball like Southgate. The attack, which was never a problem at Arsenal for the last 25 years, has massively suffered as a result.
Auba was scoring as many as Salah, Kane, Aguero, Mane with a better chance conversion rate before this manager joined, even when Emery had lost the drressing room but the first thing this mug does is play a false 9 and stick him on the left wing.
The team has zero ideas going forward. His only attacking tactic in 18 months is 'give the ball to Tierney and play a ball over the top to Auba' - this got him a win in the FA cup but the next season teams had copped onto it and since then it's 'give the ball to Tierney and cross it into the box' even though we've no strikers who can head the ball.
It is baffling to me how many people cannot use their eyes and instead prefer to swallow the media narrative that this guy is a 'talented' manager. He has never once shown an ounce of talent. Nobody had a clue what his man-management skills were or his nous in the transfer market would be but he seems to be seriously lacking in both departments as well. Literally zero to justify 18 months or turgid football that Emery was fired after 3 months of.
Auba was scoring as many as Salah, Kane, Aguero, Mane with a better chance conversion rate before this manager joined, even when Emery had lost the drressing room but the first thing this mug does is play a false 9 and stick him on the left wing.
The team has zero ideas going forward. His only attacking tactic in 18 months is 'give the ball to Tierney and play a ball over the top to Auba' - this got him a win in the FA cup but the next season teams had copped onto it and since then it's 'give the ball to Tierney and cross it into the box' even though we've no strikers who can head the ball.
It is baffling to me how many people cannot use their eyes and instead prefer to swallow the media narrative that this guy is a 'talented' manager. He has never once shown an ounce of talent. Nobody had a clue what his man-management skills were or his nous in the transfer market would be but he seems to be seriously lacking in both departments as well. Literally zero to justify 18 months or turgid football that Emery was fired after 3 months of.
lurka you obviously watch more Arsenal games than me and you are clearly upset at the tactics Arteta uses to strengthen the defence. All I am saying is he has had just a couple of summer transfer windows and bringing in real talent to a club in Arsenal's position is not an easy task.
I'd like to know how much input MA has in transfers. Or is it all done to Edu?
Arteta's coaching methods are strange to say the least. He likes to keep possession of the ball, most of the time going nowhere. The out ball is then to Tierney who tends to drive in a low ball usually cut out by the opposition defence.
We don't throw in many high balls coz we have no forwards who are good in the air. Tammy would have given Arsenal an added option in that sense. So the ball is played back across to the other side of the pitch, sideways and sideways until the ball is lost.
The defenders we have couldn't hold their own against many forwards in this league, so rely on added help from midfield.
The first goal against Chelsea was farcical. No cover for Tierney when he went forward being the main problem. If an under 8 team defended like that you'd be bollocking them bigtime. The pressing game Arteta began with has almost stopped.
I think the players have lost faith in the 'process' and when he is sacked im sure there wont be a queue for his services elsewhere.
Arteta's coaching methods are strange to say the least. He likes to keep possession of the ball, most of the time going nowhere. The out ball is then to Tierney who tends to drive in a low ball usually cut out by the opposition defence.
We don't throw in many high balls coz we have no forwards who are good in the air. Tammy would have given Arsenal an added option in that sense. So the ball is played back across to the other side of the pitch, sideways and sideways until the ball is lost.
The defenders we have couldn't hold their own against many forwards in this league, so rely on added help from midfield.
The first goal against Chelsea was farcical. No cover for Tierney when he went forward being the main problem. If an under 8 team defended like that you'd be bollocking them bigtime. The pressing game Arteta began with has almost stopped.
I think the players have lost faith in the 'process' and when he is sacked im sure there wont be a queue for his services elsewhere.
Tierney regularly puts in aerial balls, as does Pepe or whoever is on the right. Arteta looks like he's learned more from working under Moyes than Pep and Wenger combined, not that he's a patch on Moyes.
Not sure how much input he has but he has enough. Edu is another mug who should be long gone and has had dodgy dealings with Koorabchian and some questionable agent's fees. But Mari and Willian were both Arteta signings. Mari is Spanish and Arteta knew him from his Man City days where he was a complete flop and didn't play 1 game.
That's another weird thing about Arteta. I know he's inexperienced but you don't see him go in for any young players from City who he must know, even on loan. Nearly every manager brings in players they have worked with before, even inexperienced ones. Maybe they know he only pumped up the balls at City?
The pressing game stopped after about 5 games in charge. It worked to great effect against United at home in his 3rd game and then he abandoned it for some inexplicable reason.
It's relly amazing some of the guff the media have spouted about this guy. There was talk of him being courted by Barca when Koeman got the job and he even had to come out and deny it when questioned about it.
Not sure how much input he has but he has enough. Edu is another mug who should be long gone and has had dodgy dealings with Koorabchian and some questionable agent's fees. But Mari and Willian were both Arteta signings. Mari is Spanish and Arteta knew him from his Man City days where he was a complete flop and didn't play 1 game.
That's another weird thing about Arteta. I know he's inexperienced but you don't see him go in for any young players from City who he must know, even on loan. Nearly every manager brings in players they have worked with before, even inexperienced ones. Maybe they know he only pumped up the balls at City?
The pressing game stopped after about 5 games in charge. It worked to great effect against United at home in his 3rd game and then he abandoned it for some inexplicable reason.
It's relly amazing some of the guff the media have spouted about this guy. There was talk of him being courted by Barca when Koeman got the job and he even had to come out and deny it when questioned about it.
And buying players that Chelsea deem no longer good enough for them is not going to get Arsenal to where they want to be, which is ehh top 4 like Chelsea. That shouldn't be hard to understand but they still haven't learned that. Abraham isn't a patch on Auba as a striker. Play Auba in his correct position and play to his strengths and he will get 20 a season. He still scored goals from the left under Arteta until teams copped on not to leave space in behind for him to run into and Arteta hasn't got any other tactics. There is talk of Arteta wanting to offload Auba now - there will be at least 2 big CL clubs interested if that happens.
However good you think Abraham is divide it by two and that's the best you'll get from him under Arteta.
However good you think Abraham is divide it by two and that's the best you'll get from him under Arteta.
Agreed Auba is a great striker and without his goals in recent years, we may well have been in relegation battles. Tammy is the type of striker we need to play alongside Auba, think the duo would have worked well together.
Don't think we play as many high balls into the box as you suggest. Pepe is a one trick pony, cuts inside onto his best foot and tries to curl it into the top corner. Fella in Row Z seat 16 has caught many of these shots.
Don't think we play as many high balls into the box as you suggest. Pepe is a one trick pony, cuts inside onto his best foot and tries to curl it into the top corner. Fella in Row Z seat 16 has caught many of these shots.
Not sure who is available but starting to think Allardyce is a realistic possibility until the summer at least
Aug 28, 2021 -- 9:30AM, tobermory wrote:
Not sure who is available but starting to think Allardyce is a realistic possibility until the summer at least
my sources at AFC inform me that Eddie Ow is their guy. He'll be Arsenal manager by mid October.
Lurka you talk a lot of sense about Arsenal - you should be manager speaking about their poor business - it still makes me laugh about how Chelsea offloaded Willian on to them
speaking about their poor business - it still makes me laugh about how Chelsea offloaded Willian on to them
Arsenal football club are in a shambles ,players not turning up for training on time,they have not even scored a league goal,and are rock bottom of the premier league.Now the name of BIG SAM should scare the living daylights out of these little brats who think a blond rinse hair style is more important than training,BIG SAM would sort these prima donna's out in one hour.ARTETA can not handle these guys and must go Today.66 YEAR OLD BIG SAM IS THE MAN TO GET THE MIGHTY GUNNERS BACK ON TRACK.
Give the man the job,now,Today.imvho.
Give the man the job,now,Today.imvho.
Re Willian. He was a free-agent but Chelsea had apparently offered him a 2 year deal and he knew that he wouldn't be first choice under Lampard esp with Werner and Havertz joining. Arteta offered him a 3 year deal and told him he'd be first choice, which he was. There was no fee which is why his wages were so high (200K+ pw), so all Chelsea saved was wasted wages really.
In fairness to Willian, he has apparently left to go to Corinthians and foregone a larger pay off and saved Arsenal £15-20m according to reports. That's decent of him, a guy who just wants to play football and not steal a living when he hasn't justified his cost.
Ozil tweeted out 'Trust the process' with a broken heart shortly after the final whistle yesterday. That seems to be a dig at Arteta and indicates that Arteta is the reason he didn't play at all after the resumption and not because of pressure from China as a lot of people seemed to think.
When you think of how Arsenal struggled up until Christmas last season, had 14 points from 14 games scoring 12 goals (8 points and 7 goals in the last 12 of those 14 games) and creating very few chances it just shows how much of a dictator Arteta can be, if he is the reason. I wanted Ozil gone but the team was crying out for him then. Emery dropped him too but the team never had a problem scoring under Emery.
In fairness to Willian, he has apparently left to go to Corinthians and foregone a larger pay off and saved Arsenal £15-20m according to reports. That's decent of him, a guy who just wants to play football and not steal a living when he hasn't justified his cost.
Ozil tweeted out 'Trust the process' with a broken heart shortly after the final whistle yesterday. That seems to be a dig at Arteta and indicates that Arteta is the reason he didn't play at all after the resumption and not because of pressure from China as a lot of people seemed to think.
When you think of how Arsenal struggled up until Christmas last season, had 14 points from 14 games scoring 12 goals (8 points and 7 goals in the last 12 of those 14 games) and creating very few chances it just shows how much of a dictator Arteta can be, if he is the reason. I wanted Ozil gone but the team was crying out for him then. Emery dropped him too but the team never had a problem scoring under Emery.
will i arnt was a disaster signing for chelski never mind arsenal,anyone who watches sky/motd never mind so called tactical genius wont be the slightest bit surprised by will i arnts performances at arsenal ,hr after hr of video evidence,
amongst all the problems at arsenal any man who took/takes that job should have 3 go;lden rules no matter how many injuries,i,ll play any squad player/junior before i even consider playing holding,chambers or chaka all 3 are a suicide note with seasons upon seasons,games upon games,hours upon hours of evidence to look at but arteta seems to no better
amongst all the problems at arsenal any man who took/takes that job should have 3 go;lden rules no matter how many injuries,i,ll play any squad player/junior before i even consider playing holding,chambers or chaka all 3 are a suicide note with seasons upon seasons,games upon games,hours upon hours of evidence to look at but arteta seems to no better
I agree with you 1st tp. And the present goalkeeper is poor too.
The problems over there go deeper than the manager. When they appointed edu I naively assumed that because he was an ex player he had the club's best interests at heart. Now I can't work out weather it was the superagent's influence that got him the job or weather he brought the super agent on board either way they are poison imo. Just a hunch I don't support them so probably talking b ollocks
I have sympathy for Arsenal fans. It can't be fun watching such consistently poor performances/results with the result that your once "invincible" team is now only just better than average. I don't suppose Arteta is feeling any better to be fair. He must be absolutely distraught that so much is going wrong. For me he is in a job for which he is not equipped and I would very much like to see him not physically accosted in public, or his family, by misguided fans. Fans are very emotional - it's the nature of following a football club - but they really need to be directing their verbal venom at the board who, like boards everywhere, hide away from trouble.
the board aint picking holding,chambers, chaka,chamnbers been loaned/pawned out more times than del boys jewellery
I don't disagree but does he have any other defensive options?
he,s in a transfer window if he hasnt got back up he should have
The guy is a bluffer, he hasn't a clue, the atmosphere in the Emirates is like a morgue.
5th in the league and above Spurs with an awful team. Pound for pound he could be one of the best in the league.
Very poor in terms of chances created from open play and chances given away. He got a set piece coach in from City in the summer and until recently something like half their goals came from set-pieces. He and Ramsdale are covering for his deficiencies big-time. They are better at beating the inferior sides so far this season as a result but nowhere nearer the top teams in head to head matches.
Ben White is a good player if you are a passing stats nerd but he is an awful defender and a liability at the back, esp against the top sides. For all the praise from Sky for Ramsdale at Anfield last week, nearly all his saves were straight at him and he was poor for the first two goals. A good signing and a big improvement on Leno tho.
Ben White is a good player if you are a passing stats nerd but he is an awful defender and a liability at the back, esp against the top sides. For all the praise from Sky for Ramsdale at Anfield last week, nearly all his saves were straight at him and he was poor for the first two goals. A good signing and a big improvement on Leno tho.
Well done Mikel Arteta. You have shown some bottle and grit this year after the quite shameful personal ( and family ) attacks you endured and the vicious bile and abuse you received on here. You have fearlessly shown big-head Aubameyang just who is boss and your side has responded, to prove you right. And you have also shut Ian Wright's gob. Both big achievements in my eyes. Hope you have a great second half to the season.
Go get 'em Floyd!
Go get 'em Floyd!
Has he gone yet?
Heard there was a demonstration at the stadium planned for this week…..
Heard there was a demonstration at the stadium planned for this week…..
BULLET TOOTH TONY
BULLET TOOTH TONY 18 Aug 21 22:14 Joined: 24 Aug 04 | Topic/replies: 3,548 | Blogger: BULLET TOOTH TONY's blog
Odegaard, White and Ramsdale....... Arsenal really wetting the apetitie of Arsenal supporters
Love this thread….an absolute mugfest.
BULLET TOOTH TONY 18 Aug 21 22:14 Joined: 24 Aug 04 | Topic/replies: 3,548 | Blogger: BULLET TOOTH TONY's blog
Odegaard, White and Ramsdale....... Arsenal really wetting the apetitie of Arsenal supporters
Love this thread….an absolute mugfest.
Wondering what thread will end up being more classic, tobermory's Arteta out thread after he wins the league title and Champions League next year or my Haaland is poor value for top scorer thread, after scoring 50 premier league goals, 30 ahead of everyone else.
What I like about you mes is that you’re prepared to put your head above the parapet, unlike most. And you’re able to poke fun at yourself.
Don’t think Arsenal will win the league, they’ll be happy with top 4 in their rebuilding process, but Haarland will be top scorer.
Don’t think Arsenal will win the league, they’ll be happy with top 4 in their rebuilding process, but Haarland will be top scorer.
I do not fancy Arsenal at all. I believe come end of January/early Feb 2023 Arsenal would be languishing outside top-4 when Liverpool and Man Utd begin to advance.
They are improving. They have a little more steel. They have confidence and pace. Will they get lumps kicked out of them in the frozen North? The North remembers!
Will they still lose the ball on the edge of the opposition box and be countered?
Nobody is fully convinced. They are getting better and stronger physically and mentally.
I am still thinking a Douglas Ruiz might give them a real counter attacking flair when they have to dig deep and sit. He is a good tackler but has an amazing long pass for youngsters running on.
Their future burns brighter than any of “ The Rest “.
Will they still lose the ball on the edge of the opposition box and be countered?
Nobody is fully convinced. They are getting better and stronger physically and mentally.
I am still thinking a Douglas Ruiz might give them a real counter attacking flair when they have to dig deep and sit. He is a good tackler but has an amazing long pass for youngsters running on.
Their future burns brighter than any of “ The Rest “.
Really poor again today. Could have lost by 3 or 4. He has to go.
But we haven't played anyone yet, they said, then we go and beat two of the top 6 back to back.
I think Fink and others who supported Arteta a year ago can feel justifiably smug about supporting him.
I do think he has done well since then; creating a situation where the best players are the youngest players. And the young players are really good.
Getting shot of Aubemayang and Lacazette is a bit like when George Graham got rid of Mariner and Woodcock in 1986. Quality players who no longer had the desire, and weren't going to be long term anyway.
Ultimately though, to be a successful Arsenal manager, you have to be challenging for the title and/or the Champion's League in April (October don't count).
Hopefully he will have a team that can do this (not necessarily this season) It was promising how much they went for the win against Liverpool. 'Top 4 trophy' mentality would have accepted the draw (or even a loss!)
I do think he has done well since then; creating a situation where the best players are the youngest players. And the young players are really good.
Getting shot of Aubemayang and Lacazette is a bit like when George Graham got rid of Mariner and Woodcock in 1986. Quality players who no longer had the desire, and weren't going to be long term anyway.
Ultimately though, to be a successful Arsenal manager, you have to be challenging for the title and/or the Champion's League in April (October don't count).
Hopefully he will have a team that can do this (not necessarily this season) It was promising how much they went for the win against Liverpool. 'Top 4 trophy' mentality would have accepted the draw (or even a loss!)
For all the credit Arteta gets for getting rid of Auba (at a cost of £7m and 3 times that in wasted wages) you have to remember that it was he who wanted him to stay on £350k a week and play him in a position which didn't suit him and which he was almost instantly visibly unhappy with.
He didn't 'get rid' of Laca either. Laca left on a free and was first choice in his final year when he was absolutely woeful. I suppose you can give him 'credit' for not offering him a new deal but then you have to criticise him for doing exactly that with Auba. He is the only Arsenal manager who Auba didn't score at an elite level under. Play him as a box 9 between the posts running towards goal or let him leave. Don't double his wages to play him on the left or false 9.
He didn't 'get rid' of Laca either. Laca left on a free and was first choice in his final year when he was absolutely woeful. I suppose you can give him 'credit' for not offering him a new deal but then you have to criticise him for doing exactly that with Auba. He is the only Arsenal manager who Auba didn't score at an elite level under. Play him as a box 9 between the posts running towards goal or let him leave. Don't double his wages to play him on the left or false 9.
Wasn't Auba banging in goals under Arteta up until he got his new contract?
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tobermory 19 Oct 22 03:04 Joined: 01 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 56,515 | Blogger: tobermory's blog
I think Fink and others who supported Arteta a year ago can feel justifiably smug about supporting him.
It never pays to be too smug in football tobermory, things can turn sour very quickly, especially if you’re an Arsenal fan. I’d like to think we can get top 4 this season, but don’t think it’s a given by any means.
I think the Arsenal Board deserves some credit the way they handled the discontent last season. It was very clear they were going to stick with Arteta whatever happened, which I think helped the situation, particularly as players were shipped out. Edu also deserves great credit. We’ve been the worst in the division in terms of recruitment before he arrived on the scene, but that looks to be turning.
tobermory 19 Oct 22 03:04 Joined: 01 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 56,515 | Blogger: tobermory's blog
I think Fink and others who supported Arteta a year ago can feel justifiably smug about supporting him.
It never pays to be too smug in football tobermory, things can turn sour very quickly, especially if you’re an Arsenal fan. I’d like to think we can get top 4 this season, but don’t think it’s a given by any means.
I think the Arsenal Board deserves some credit the way they handled the discontent last season. It was very clear they were going to stick with Arteta whatever happened, which I think helped the situation, particularly as players were shipped out. Edu also deserves great credit. We’ve been the worst in the division in terms of recruitment before he arrived on the scene, but that looks to be turning.
They got an eye on a kid called Danilo in Brasil
If he is truly a wonder kid it fills the gaping hole in centre mid.
If he is truly a wonder kid it fills the gaping hole in centre mid.
The 21-year-old received a straight red after catching the back of Yeferson Soteldo's ankle with his studs up. It comes one month after his previous dismissal, which was also due to a dangerous challenge that saw his studs make contact with Matias Zaracho's calf in the Copa Libertadores quarter-finals.
Obviously I do t want a kid who keeps getting sent off but at least he does it in anger and gets his man unlike Xhaka who often lets his man ghost by and has to kick him after the damage has been done
Obviously I do t want a kid who keeps getting sent off but at least he does it in anger and gets his man unlike Xhaka who often lets his man ghost by and has to kick him after the damage has been done
Although his recent performances may tell a different story, Danilo remains one of the most talented young midfielders in Brazil and a key player for his side. It's unlikely that he will come cheap, but Palmeiras could reluctantly grant Danilo's wish if he wishes to move on in the coming months. It's been a long wait, but it looks like Arsenal could finally be in with a chance of securing one of their long-term targets should they wish to continue the pursuit this winter.
This mug has to go. Getting embarrassing now.
It’s only because the media love him that he’s still there. And think of the great players like Aubamayang that we’ve lost. Shocking.
It’s only because the media love him that he’s still there. And think of the great players like Aubamayang that we’ve lost. Shocking.
Within two years they have become (current form) the best club side in the world imo
Great post wesdag. If we get the famous Fat Frank bounce, who knows where we could go….
What a magnificent thread retrieval.
Lurka fully exposed as the bounder that he is.
He might know all sorts about Arsenal but clearly knows nothing whatsoever about football.
Classic!
Lurka fully exposed as the bounder that he is.
He might know all sorts about Arsenal but clearly knows nothing whatsoever about football.
Classic!
Nice aftertiming there. The only attacking player he had signed was Willian who was a complete flop when I was at my most critical of him. What I said about Arteta was fair at the time and I didn't see you disagreeing with me or telling me why I was wrong at the time.
You are the same as those 'be careful what you wish for' types who criticised the Arsenal fans for wanting Wenger gone. Arsenal fans were right to want him gone and right to criticise Arteta at the time. Emery was hounded out of the club for less while Arteta had soft treament in the media and no fans in the stadium venting at him for most of that time.
You are the same as those 'be careful what you wish for' types who criticised the Arsenal fans for wanting Wenger gone. Arsenal fans were right to want him gone and right to criticise Arteta at the time. Emery was hounded out of the club for less while Arteta had soft treament in the media and no fans in the stadium venting at him for most of that time.
To be fair you Lurka, I don’t think your criticisms were completely out of kilter with the general narrative at the time. I don’t know where you usually sit at The Emirates, but what struck me when Arteta was going through his difficult spell, it was clear that the vast majority of fans near me were still fully behind the new (and still very young manager). I think we all recognised that he is a steely, determined and very talented coach who didn’t yet have the tools at his disposal to play the way he wanted. And the club made it very clear they would back him, so the ‘Arteta out’ mob very much belonged in the land of the radio phone in, rather than in the stadium itself. We then had a couple of very good windows - even though there are some mugs on here who claimed that Odegaard was a waste of money. The additional signings of Jesus and Zinchenko brought a winning mentality into the squad.
The atmosphere at the stadium has been one of the real, and very surprising turnarounds. This was evidenced after Saliba put through his own net this season, and again on Sunday when we fell behind - there was brief noise from the away end but that was soon drowned out as the fans got behind the team.
Will we win the league? Quite possibly not as City are a formidable force. But if you’d have offered me this at the start of the season, I’d certainly have taken it.
The atmosphere at the stadium has been one of the real, and very surprising turnarounds. This was evidenced after Saliba put through his own net this season, and again on Sunday when we fell behind - there was brief noise from the away end but that was soon drowned out as the fans got behind the team.
Will we win the league? Quite possibly not as City are a formidable force. But if you’d have offered me this at the start of the season, I’d certainly have taken it.
I never criticised any Arsenal fans for wanting Wenger gone but I very much criticised all keyboard warriors like you who allied themselves to the quite disgusting campaign of savage intimidation, to the man and his family, to get him out. And I still do.
You deny it now too, for all to see.
You deny it now too, for all to see.
His time is now surely up. He has to go.
Caving in to City in injury time shows unacceptable mental weakness. If only we'd kept Aubamayang.
The various sages on this thread knew their onions.
Caving in to City in injury time shows unacceptable mental weakness. If only we'd kept Aubamayang.
The various sages on this thread knew their onions.
heard a stat that if Arsenal best their points total from last season, we'd be the first club in England to have improved their points totals 5 seasons on the trot. There is nobody out there that could currently do a better job at taking it to City than Arteta, we're now unbeaten against City in 4 games, not many other clubs have that record against the Oil state run club.
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