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Southgate’s England
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Would like to see the running stats for last night, I bet they're lower than usual, which means they're trying to avoid last 16 ko. Strangely lethargic imo.
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I think Rashford touched the ball twice, on both occasions giving a pass back to the player who passed to him.
I counted several random minutes of England possession through the match , counting passes that went backward against those that went forward. The results were 11-2. , 15 -5 , 12 -7 , 16 - 3 i wont list them all but you get the idea. England had 1 shot on goal which makes 3 shots on goal in 3 hours of football. I'm sure Football used to be entertaining. Now its a chess match with a few cheats thrown in. |
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The referee was good though. Didn't just follow the English refs rule. “ If they fall down, give a foul.â€
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Penalties are a lottery and always will be, winning a pen shootout isn't evidence of a thing lol
You are right. Maybe that is why the Germans don’t practice taking penalties from the moment they can walk! |
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If Scotland could hypnotise their players into believing every opponent was England they would have few problems.
As for out shower Over the decades , and last night, I am always baffled why our top flight players change how they play for their clubs. No pass and move at pace. In addition we very rarely finish strongly , if we don't have a good first hour we are a mess. The players Kane - at his best is a deadly striker and a nuisance for defenders all the time ......he was hopeless last night and should not be picked if he does not improve. Rashford - Nothingl like good enough at this level for me. Grealish - showed the scottish could not get the ball of him with back to goal , a great trick and no use in providing for the strikers. Sterling - not exactly first team choice at City , but is for England .... go figure Rice and Philips - not a cat in hells chance we will win this with a back 6 , especially as James and Shaw did not overlap very often. I do hope Sancho and Bellingham have not been brought from Germany to sit on the bench for a month. Calvert- Lewin - good season in a poor team , start him instead of Kane. And I would love to see some of our players show the bounce , energy and drive that Robertson still had talking to the press. If some of our guys don't want to play for their nation , tell the boss and get on the beach taking selfies . |
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only difference between last night and last world cup was VAR and reffs reluctance to use it [ rightly imo ]
i said this last week idiots like frank lampard saying mount was brilliant against croatia [ whove proved to be one of worst sides in tournament ].when actually most people thought mount hadnt played, mount played far better last night than last week[3 or 4 passes putting people away down the lefty,got on end of one in box ] but does anyone think mount played out of his skin last night which is next up from been brilliant last week declan rice has 2 things on his bucket list 1, run through a wheat field 2, pass a ball 5 yds forward and bad news for fans 1st far more likely than 2nd and he lives in east london makes ray wilkins look like messi to be honest ive watched all england games and the media/manager/pundits seems to describe the way they,d like MOUNT,RICE,PHILLIPS,STERLING, to play and not how they actually play on the pitch, |
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Southgate has not learned from his past mistakes. His team selections are terrible and his tactics are worse.
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German media baffled and laughing at us how a team that apparently is so talented to not give Sancho a minute can only score 1 goal in 2 games.
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you can't really determine Sancho's true ability because he plays in the Bundesliga which is quite weak bar Bayern.
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One of the worst England teams I can remember
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mount was shocking....take him off corner duties.....absolute clown......as for the manager.....he was probably the only person in the country who thought taking Foden off was the right idea.....because he has not given a plan to execute we are turning into belgium.....skilled individuals cant play as a team.......
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It starts with something very very simple.
When our midfielder receives the ball from a defender, their first instinct should be to turn and look at what is available in front of them, not to pass it backwards or sideways. Ditto when we press the opposition and there is a breakdown from which we receive the ball in broken play - how can we hurt the opposition IMMEDIATELY, not merely retain possession, let the opponents regroup and we return to playing in silos. Then, where our wide men are one-on -one with an opponent, occasionally try to take them on rather than passing backwards or sideways. This will involve sprinting probably, which is an alien concept to the side at present, but one that comes when a side is sent out with a sense of energy and purpose. Finally, you are allowed to cross the ball. Not always but even as a surprise element when you are in the opponents final third of the pitch. You may even score but the very least you will do is ask the opposition different questions than merely retaining possession and playing laterally and backwards in front of them. As you can tell, I have never taken an FA coaching badge |
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taking the ball off the back 5 isnt an art any fool can do it,the art is taking it on the half turf and having a picture before you receive,if your passing it straight back it means your not aware of whats around you/havnt got a picture and are just doing it because you,ve been told thats what to do
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England managers invariably come in for unfair criticism, it's been the same for years and god knows how many managers. The pure fact is England do not produce truly world class footballers that would make us really competitive against the best. We've had some good runs in tourneys over the last 30 years or so but I can't help feeling that's more due to the English spirit rather and effort rather than the actual class of the players.
This current bunch is full of over rated players that may look good at club level playing in the top teams that are dominating weaker teams month in month out, mainly due to being full of far more talented foreign players. Put our players together in a bunch and they don't seem so good! I would argue that England hasn't produced a truly world class player since Paul Gascoigne and while we continue to allow our top teams to be flooded by foreign talent, things won't get any better. Everyone's an expert but don't blame the manager, we're simply not good enough. |
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Awful tactics . He will not change the system , just the personnel . Been watching the same football all year with Spurs 6-0-4 formation .
Imagine Guardiola with the same team , attacking and defending as a unit . |
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Too much coaching and instructions for me ,just let them go and play ffs
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Kane has ruined his transfer prospects , who would pay £100million + and give him gazillions of week after watching him here ?
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he's playing a blinder is Kane
because the answer is nobody, nobody would pay 100mil in this climate so what better way to lower your transfer valuation and engineer a way out of Tottenham than playing crap for England on the big stage Levy must be seething |
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Where's he engineering a move to Swansea or Hull...
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oh no we,re on the lets draw.lose on tuesday to finish 2nd and avoid playing 2nd in germany,s group
be like godber,s boxing match in porridge if the cheq,s think the same way |
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Enpassant why do you think that we have won nothing for 55 years when European countries with comparable populations like Spain, France and Germany have won multiple tournaments? Is it just that we've had a succession of bad managers or the fact, as I said we simply haven't had enough top players.
This squad is no different, good players but no more. I'm not arguing and you're more than entitled to your opinion, but from my point of view, put the best manager in the world with this bunch of players and we'd still come up short. Having said all that, I'm of course 100% behind them and would love to be proves wrong - although if they do go on and win it does that mean that Southgate is a good manager? |
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as a manager what did southgate achieve ?
good at the knee sh1t tho be wearinga rainbow skirt v Czech Eng a joke |
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As tobes told us;
9 tournament games Goals from open play 4, and one those was a deflection. But that is really England, we just hoped it would get better but it wont when employing people like southgate. |
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look at the way Germany and Italy play
with the players England have, if they played open, expansive, fluid and attacking like that they'd beat anyone, but Southgate has them scared and defensive, it's reminscent of Hodgson's England and that ended with humiliation against Icenland, this could go a similar way, 0 goals against Scotland and Czechs. However I do think Southgate knows the precocious position he's in with his job, he needs to pull something out of the bag, he should drop a holding player probably Phillips, bring in Grealish, drop Kane, and bring in Calvert Lewin who'd be more useful, and bring in Sancho. If he starts with the same team he needs castrating. |
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I can't spell Scandinavia or Iceland but the points remain
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no prob with gelding
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I thought at the start of the tournament that there would be only one thing holding Southgate back. His reliance on Kane.
The difference between england reaching the world cup final and getting ko'd by Croatia was the fact that subbing off Kane was too much of a risky decision. I think we can all see that Kane ought not to be starting the next match. If Southgate does what he should do, and I think he will, then I can see England going a long way. From what I have seen in this tournament, there is nothing to scare you. The Germans beat a knack3red Portugal today. So what. Pat Viera is quite right when he questions Italy's physicality. The only team I have seen who have given England a complete chasing during Southgate's regime have been France. But you have to ask yourself how often are they gonna go to the well playing with 8 defenders and three forwards? That is a lot of hard yards, game in game out. Sooner or later playing without the ball will take its toll physically and mentally. France followed a world cup up with a Euros 20 years ago. I dont rate this team as good as that one. Relying on counter attack football cant last forever. |
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3 mice on the shirt
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enpassant
I've pointed out before though. I can't see how you can blame the manager when since 1966 England have tried SEVENTEEN different manager's! Anybody ever stopped to think that our players just aren't good enough? Yes you may have an argument if it was three or four managers but SEVENTEEN? |
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you mean that players that won umpteen European cups and league titles in the 70's though to the present day, including the period where they failed to qualify for 2 World Cups in a row, the difference being is that those title winning and Champions League winnings team with those English players in them, had top drawer managers, England's managers have been the problem not the players, otherwise how else can you explain reaching the very top of the club game but doing nothing for country.
Not all of them however, Venables, Hoddle, Robson were all good who were only knocked out on penalties, if those games were played the day before or after they may have won. But the likes of Keegan, Hodgson, Southgate, Taylor, McClaren, not good enough. Capello was the wrong fit, did not speak English well at all. |
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Not sure what happened there
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To sum it up: Southgate has better players and doesn’t use them. He plays scared football and it is sh!te to watch and gets us knocked out. If we are going out let’s at least go out trying to score goals and excite.
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Milner Henderson Delph Dier GS loves a DM with limited ability on the ball.....well he loves two of them tbf.
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empassant
I agree with some choices in team selection although again it has to be said how many different variations of players would people pick if you asked them, there's be about a hundred. We have three or four Right Backs for a start and I'd have picked Wan Bissaka over all of them yet he's not even in the squad! That said though it's laughable to blame SEVENTEEN different managers who all just happen to fail? It's the players full stop, we're obviously just not as good as the likes of Germany, Argentina, France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, Uruguay, Brazil etc etc. |
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As has been pointed out: we have had 3 managers that got us actually looking like a team that went out to win games. The have looked like the pressure of the job got to them. We have had some very decent sides over those years and have gone close/ish at times. Belgium have been the ‘best side in the world’ for several years but have won f all...not sure where you Uruguay is coming from though
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