Taking the knee

Jun 12, 2021 -- 5:49PM, 1st time poster wrote:

why do you need a commentator who for the other 364 days a year you,ll be on here saying he,s spouting shoite,to tell you what its about when the players and manager have told you a million times, and for the hard of hearing thicko,s southgate even wrote published a letter to england fans

So we just have to accept it is nothing to do with all the extraneous BLM stuff because Southgate and the players say so? You see people putting union jacks on their houses and insisting it is just a patriotic act, but there are always lefties to tell them that it is actually a far right symbol.

well you have a choice to accept in good faith what manager /players say

or believe what a moron tells you , why the players are doing it

up to you i suppose

so what is it about?

I still don't understand

what specifically do they want done?

This is a football pitch and we come to watch football.I've got no appologies whatever to make to that racist outfit  BLM. If Dickheads like Southgate and his cronies want to take the knee,fine,but,do it in your own time and own place....dont try to shove it in the fans faces ,not to suck up to your twisted personal opinions.
Southgate i'm white AND PROUD OF IT!,YOU ARE A GROVELING DISGRACE.
Remember wesley Fofana incident.Well , there's a mob called ISLAM IN SPORT and if they have their way we'll have that crap dictating to  the game as well.
We go to football matches to watch GOOD FOOTBALL and that's all. there'a no place for politics or religion in sport.....boo your heads off, enough is enough of this devisive crap.

Lewis Hamilton has had a lot to do with the negative reaction to our sportsmen grovelling as he effectively bullied F1 into the drivers demeaning themselves by insinuating if you don’t do it you’re supporting racism. Unfortunately people like Rashford are thick as **** and don’t understand how they’ve been manipulated into becoming a figurehead for the BLM terrorist organisation .0

Tobermory, I refuse to believe you are genuinely so far removed from reality that you think the kneeling is about the abolishment of capitalism and other goals of the original version of BLM like making everyone a black transgender lesbian. You can't be...you just can't, nor do I accept that others are so far removed from any basic sense on this matter. Hence I suspect a lot of disingenuousness when people call it a far left or marxist thing.

The kneeling was very much seen a year ago as supporting the overall narrative that Britain was a terribly racist country. Southgate himself at the time spoke out about 'white privilege' and said that white people needed to be 'educated' as to their racism.

I don't think the players are campaigning to abolish capitalism, but concepts like white privilege are far left, and they have not repudiated that.

So the kneeling is seen as a gesture bemoaning how racist Britain is. The fans do not buy this narrative, and resent the suggestion that they are racist, privileged etc

Don't know how intelligent or otherwise Rashford is, but Team Rashford certainly have their heads screwed on. They have done wonders for the Rashford Brand. They have created a national hero and ensured more income for relatively little effort. As if he needs it. Pleading for the needy and swelling is own coffers. Some achievement.

Was it really

"terribly racist country"

or

"country that simply isn't quite there yet"

?

That's a big difference. If Southgate speaks of "white privilege" that does not at all mean the UK is a terribly racist country. Nor is it far-left.

This is another thing that's simply disingenuous, not sorry. You and others are creating a narrative that something is insulting and mean and portraying the UK in a not ok way....when it simply isn't.

There is a difference.

The Sewell Report argued that Britain was 'not quite there yet', and was howled down by the very columnists that most defend the kneeling, as they insist Britain really is an institutionally racist hellhole

You yourself have said in the past that you that you would abolish stop&search. I would presume you are for the abolishment because you see (the potential of) unfair treatment of (certain) minorities with that practice. Am I correct in assuming so?

If so...then you yourself acknowledge there is a privilege right there of e.g white people compared to others.

Jun 12, 2021 -- 7:42PM, tobermory wrote:

There is a difference.The Sewell Report argued that Britain was 'not quite there yet', and was howled down by the very columnists that most defend the kneeling, as they insist Britain really is an institutionally racist hellhole

This is purely how you claim to see it. I have told you in the past that I don't read these things in their columns.

Who is right?

Well, I am naturally. You see far left haters everywhere.

No, not due to discrimination.

The police should not be allowed to stop people and ask where they are going is my view. White, black whatever.

They don't try to claim that Britain is a racist hellhole.

edy what do white people need to do?

is it reparations for slavery they want?

specifics please

what do they actually want?

Nothing really, Giuseppe. Just don't go out of your way to be a jerk. That's enough, really. Don't need to start renting to black people and stuff, although that'd be a bonus.

"Just don't go out of your way to be a jerk."

how will we know when people stop being jerks?

will BLM tell us?

God will judge you on it.

And I can tell you that you'll earn bonus points with God if you let people do their mainstream, centrist virtue-signal kneeling.

If you don't go out of your way to be disingenuous and defame it as e.g far-left or nonsense like that.

when is the kneeling going to stop?

When everybody got bored.

And people found a new korean song to dance to (or similar).

Until then you are of course free to boo them if you wish to purposefully misunderstand the gesture.

what is the gesture for?

i genuinely don;t understand

what racism are they protesting about?

george floyd? income inequality? monkey chants?

Southgate says it isnt political at all let alone far left. I would say that is disingenous or failing to connect to reality

When the majority of people support it, how far-left can it be?

Is the British society dominated by far-left marxist antifa members?

When its a protest about unfairness in society how can it not be political?

Fairness in society should not be political, apart from the very, very fringes.

Which is why the kneeling really is centrist, supported by the majority of the population, supported by Boris Johnson (who doesn't exactly strike me as the next Fidel)

edy you can't explain to me what they want

what the **** do they actually want?

what does fairness mean?

income equality?

They are protesting racial injustices that they feel still exist.

what are those racial injustices?

As with a lot of things, everyone's emphasis and most important points will differ. For some it might be the aluns of this world not accepting them as "real" Britons and hostility that kind of person delivers, for others it might be something regarding education, for yet another that he feels he'd earn 12 million instead of 11 million quid if he was white "real Briton"...

it's all very vague and subjective isn't it?

"For some it might be the aluns of this world not accepting them as "real" Britons and hostility that kind of person delivers"

microaggression?

If you are genuinely interested, which I know you are not, maybe write an email to someone actively protesting racial injustice in the UK.

why are you defending them if you don't understand why they are kneeling?

they're taking the knee to stop microaggressions?

I understand what they are not kneeling for - marxism and far-left things.

why do you keep bringing that up?

I have never mentioned any of that

We are not the only people in this thread, Giuseppe. Someone else keeps confusing the kneeling as a far-left gesture whose users and proponents seek to abolish capitalism.

Someone who also confuses the gesture as saying that Britain is an utter shyte racist hellhole.

so they aren't saying Britain is racist?

if Britain isn't racist, why are they kneeling?

Again, there is a massive difference between

"There are still problems regarding racial injustices"

and

"Britain is a racist hellhole"

....and you know that full well, Seppi.

Disgusting comment.  Hang your head in shame.

Hank Hill12 Jun 21 16:45
Personally I'd let the individual decide. Those of you wanting rid of it for being political, can you  truthfully say you'd have no problem with the poppies going?

Explain yourself then-  don't like free choice?

No..  You advise what is political about "The Poppies".  Donut.

As with a lot of things, everyone's emphasis and most important points will differ. For some it might be the aluns of this world not accepting them as "real" Britons and hostility that kind of person delivers, for others it might be something regarding education, for yet another that he feels he'd earn 12 million instead of 11 million quid if he was white "real Briton"...

Are education and income equality not political? Regardless of whether its far left or not, the claim that kneeling has nothing to do with politics doesnt align with this

Fairness isn't a poltical thing. Everybody apart from the very, very fringes likes and supports fairness, right?

Or does your common right- or left-winger say "nah, fairness sucks!"

Does your common right- or left-winger say "Racial injustice rocks! I'm fully behind it. Let's make it ever bigger"?

Fairness can be political or non political.

Fairness in education and wages is political though right?

Whereas the other side of the political spectrum has another opinion?

No, they don't. Just about everybody from almost all extends of the political spectrum can get behind the basic messge of fairness and anti-racism.

Hence it's not really political.

lol if you can't see poppies are political then I don't know what to say to you. Carry on with your booing

Or politically devisive apart from a few malicious actors trying to heavily politicise it all.

Commentary in the Wales game was hilarious. Commentator says "now both sets of players will take a knee" but neither team did.

The left and right agreeing doesnt exclude something from politics. They can agree on democracy, poverty, some laws. A protest over democracy isnt apolitical. Protests over social justice arent apolitical.

Labours slogan used to be ‘a future fair for all’. That isnt apolitical.

"There are still problems regarding racial injustices"

what does this mean

specific examples please

edy is about to be hooked

the kneeling gesture is inextricably linked to a political movement that came to prominence after Floyd. this is the event that triggered professional footballers to perform the gesture when the stadiums were empty. even if you swallow the justification from the fa and southgate, the fact that it became the calling card of the political movement 'b l m', and only after that did professional footballers in England start doing it, is inescapable.

Agreed Cider.

Clearly Hank Hill you are a troll.  You can't and won't declare, on here, how "the Poppies" are political.   Run away!  Run away!

Jun 12, 2021 -- 9:47PM, Cider wrote:

edy is about to be hooked

By whom?

Southgate probably. Though the special one has a reputation for hooking people to prevent further embarrassment.

I like Southgate. He's fantastic. Great footballer back in the day.

That's pushing it lol. But he is busy undoing the strong reputation he had built up for himself.

edy I have defeated you in this argument

just admit it and take your beating, like a man

Ok

thank you

You are very welcome!

What will we battle on tomorrow?

get out of the echo chamber,what ever tv/radio/online outlet you get your news from southgates reputation has only increased this week,probably why the morons are attacking him
fook me he,s even got johnson and the cabinet doing a 360 degree u turn,you think theyve embarrassed themselves doing that before checking on public opinion

If you flip that, it might be close.

Call me old fashioned but id rather Southgate enhanced his reputation as an international football manager tbh

I don't agree with taking the knee nor do I think we should have poppies every October/November. I must be a libertarian. Just want to watch the footie (and bet on it). Laying the favourites mostly.

Reading SJWs on twitter condemning the booing as if they are doing something that is so horrendous it is unmanageable, is amusing but reflects their echo chamber and the groupthink which has surrounded all these 'progressive' social causes. It might be your cause of the moment. I couldn't really give a f&ck.

Jun 12, 2021 -- 10:44PM, jumper3 wrote:

I don't agree with taking the knee nor do I think we should have poppies every October/November. I must be a libertarian. Just want to watch the footie (and bet on it). Laying the favourites mostly. Reading SJWs on twitter condemning the booing as if they are doing something that is so horrendous it is unmanageable, is amusing but reflects their echo chamber and the groupthink which has surrounded all these 'progressive' social causes. It might be your cause of the moment. I couldn't really give a f&ck.

So condemning people who boo you think is stupid, but booing someone who take a knee in protest is great?

Your not fooling anyone, you probably have a Farage poster above your bed. You sound annoyed that the Trump echo chambers gone and you have to live outside that bubble and in reality again.

Also thanks on the betting tip "lay the favourites" the bookies are going to be screwed now.

So many discussions on the politicS forum just end with two or three people chatting away and the original topic being flushed down the plughole. Same people over and over again. 

What has taking the knee which, however you want to dress it up is linked to BLM, got to do with poppies and the commemoration of those who gave their lives for a common good during various conflicts?

Just because there are racists in a country, doesn't make a country racist. Sadly, that is how it is being portrayed. It is hardly surprising that people are sick of the way it is being rammed.

The media is being flooded with anecdotal, unchallenged rants. This needs to stop. If there is factual evidence it should be dealt with through the proper channels.

serious question what does make a country racist then ?

Jun 13, 2021 -- 1:15PM, differentdrum wrote:

So many discussions on the politicS forum just end with two or three people chatting away and the original topic being flushed down the plughole. Same people over and over again.

So the fight for racial equality isn't a common good? But dieing because you were sent to steal another countries oil is worthy? Unfortunately the proper channel is education, awareness and public shame. But people like you who want to deny its happening or shoehorn the discussion away from their precious safe zones are part of the problem. Out of sight out of mind.

lol... Israel

taking the knee is worth doing just because it annoys racists so much

Booing is worth doing just because it annoys Leftards so much

So why does the 'educated' Rio  keep banging on about it  - he just had another go.  It is simply dividing us by supporting BLM.
Unfortunately I am not educated, clearly

Maybe the people booing  were Booing england taking the knee.
Maybe those clapping were clapping Croatia for Standing.
P.S ive not spelt england with a capital E in case it offends anyone.

Oh boy, lux's cervical artery must be massive and popping right now at the sight of England being about to win.

Any fibula injuries reported yet??

no booing at the start of all three matches  - what on earth could be the difference

Jun 11, 2021 -- 9:58PM, lux wrote:

Come Sunday, i'll be supporting Croatia. Anyone taking the knee is a traitor to their nation and a traitor to their family. Absolute, degenerate, seditious s c u m filth of the highest order.

#PrayForLuxAndFriends