JUVENTUS AWAY TO MILAN

It's the magic of the cup

At the prices, Milan are surely the value here

Ibrahimovic to grab a first half hat trick.
Ronaldo to grab a second half double hat trick

But seriously, wait for the teams .......

Milan must be still hurting after the inter result, but this ain't the league as mentioned above team news all important here.

With full strength teams Juventus are the value @2.26

They are near the level of Man City while Milan are below the level of Arsenal.

As said though this must be a very distant 3rd priority for Juve.

tend to back juve on these sort of occasions
good luck all

Zlatan Ibrahimovic to score a header @ 16/1  Sly bet ..........................................

Did it last game.......................................................

Juventus play it out the back so well and Milans pressing will wear later in the game?

Miranda level v the dads

dads are back in front  2-1

Ok, I'm on over 1.5 at 3.4.   Goal coming any second now.

It was coming

I honestly posted that before the goal came.

I was getting a wee bit concerned but there was then a passage of play where the tempo changed, I lumped on over 0.5 at HT and am now over and out.

I'd like another quick goal here asap.

1-1 incoming within the next 360 seconds. Brace for impact.

This is just the first leg, always wonder how that plays in to the minds of the players.
That said, Juventus are a team of winners, and Ibra has breathed life in to AC Milan, highly likely that we'll get another, but I'm not paying to find out.

Red card

Oh well, it wasn't to be. 1-0 FT.

Aye, I’m always a bit worried when you are waiting on a goal and a red card is dished out, changes the nature of the game.

Same here

It just means the team down to 10 drop deep anyway

Yep, 1-0 FT is absolutely nailed on.

Always hope with Ronaldo though, quality only needs a split second to grab a goal.

OMG VAR again

That is an horrendous decision that

VAR is a giggle it really is

Like I was saying, where there is Ronaldo, there is hope

That handball rule is an absolute nonsense. Farcical.

shocking

The rule wasn’t changed after kick off.

A draw was about a fair result but the way in which its got again is ridiculous

Rule is ridiculous, attacker back flips the ball onto defenders arm and its a penalty today

Well done all winners mind

Its a consolation someone benefits from it at least

Ridiculous penalty as the defender had turned his back to Ronaldos attempted bicycle kick/Volley to avoid any potential injury and the ball strikes his slightly outstretched arm from 2 yards away when Ronaldo strikes the ball with the defender facing his own goal,it does make you wonder that what people are saying that this VAR can be used to influence a favourable result for certain teams has an element of truth in it,absolutely awful decision to give a penalty in those circumstances

Rumour that Ronaldo will sign for Forest in the summer if they go up

Cristiano Ronaldos Nottingham Forest incoming then

And exactly roache, its an awful rule and the ref needs to use common sense

The handball rule was changed to remove any requirement for interpretation regarding intent.
There are upsides and downsides of that, but it does at least provide consistency.

I understand that angoose but surely anyone can see that ball hitting the arm was unintentional and couldn't be avoided?

But where would the ball have gone if his arm hadn’t been it’s path?
Similarly, if the shot had accidentally struck the arm of a Juventus player and gone in to the net, it would have been ruled out.

On balance, I prefer the clarity that handball is handball.

The only thing consistent with VAR's interpretation of the new handball rules for penalties is that it is totally inconsistent.

If you read the laws of the game, they are heavy going.
Very difficult to put seemingly straightforward concepts in to water tight language.

For a penalty handball they are supposed to take into account how far away the defender was when the ball was struck in that did he have time to get his arm out of the way ,well he was 2 yards away and could not get out of the way.
Next they have to take into account was the arm in a natural silhouette or was it outstretched, well it was slightly outstretched but there was mitigating circumstances in that the defender was facing away from the ball and taking evasive action from Ronaldos dangerous high boot in attempting the volley so I'm my opinion under these new rules for penalty handballs VAR have got this badly wrong and a penalty should not have been awarded and incidentally the shot was not on target i believe.

Where in Law 12 does is state that the distance of the defender from the ball striker requires to be considered?

it state

Handling the ball

It is an offence if a player:

• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
• gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:
• scores in the opponents’ goal • creates a goal-scoring opportunity
• scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper

It is usually an offence if a player:

• touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
• the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
• the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player
deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)

The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

Except for the above offences, it is not usually an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:

• directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
• directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close • if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally bigger
• when a player falls and the hand/arm is between the body and the ground to support the body, but not extended laterally or vertically away from the body

Except for the above offences, it is not usually an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:
                 
• directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
• directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close
• if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally bigger
• when a player falls and the hand/arm is between the body and the ground to support the body, but not extended laterally or vertically away from the body

Based on that, the ref must have concluded that his arm was NOT close to his body and made the body unnaturally bigger.
Nothing in the law to provide a distinction for the distance between ball striker and the player hit by the ball.

The use of the word “usually” is, however, interesting.
Interesting because no definitions are provided of how an unusual event is to be determined.

Exactly USUALLY does not mean definitely and the distance is not in the law but i am sure FIFA indicated this had to be one of a few considerations when giving a penalty for handball i.e. the distance between the ball being struck and how far away the defender is and with the defender only being 2 yards away this makes it relevant.

But the inclusion of "the above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close" gives license for handball incidents to be deemed as offences.

How close does close need to be for a handball not to be deemed as an offence

Clearly, the intention of the law is for the vast majority of handball incidents to be classed as an offence, very little solid wriggle room within the laws.

Ang when that happens it only relates to the attacking player thats why they disallow goals for the merest touch of the ball onto arm,there are 2 distinct separate laws created by IFAB 1 for the attacking team and 1 for the defending team so as for example scenario 1 attacking team player the ball strikes arm even when arm in natural silhouette and the merest brush of the ball then it is handball and goal disallowed,  now scenario 2 Defender inside the penalty box same circumstances and it is not handball and no penalty is given.

According to betfair this game is still going on. Suspend monkey must be in a comatose state 3 days on

There was a game last week that got called off because riots in the gallery, a whole week ago and 365 have yet to refund any bets on that game

I'm actually just going to see how long it takes the clowns to refund it

Dunno but Betfair seem to have gone out for the day here

One game is 0-1 and no suspend nothing

Oh they're back

Are they doing it on purpose?