Premier League Handicap

some crazy numbers there most of the 43 ones are insane

Watford +43
West Ham +38

Leicester +34 looks the one for me.

Like the look of Everton and Leicester at 33 and 34. Think the league will be won by a few points less than last season and these two can accrue more than 60 points each this season.

Around 95 total of H'Cap + real world pts has historically the ballpark figure, though if City and Liverpool carry on like last season it's not enough.

Leicester/Wolves/Everton could get mid 90s if they can carry their late season form through to this one.

Norwich or Sheff Utd could win it by getting around 47pts and finishing 14th or so. Not seen enough of them to know how likely that is, but a lot of newly promoted teams have hit that over the years.

The bookmaker who has priced them up, VC, is now 12/1 the front 3

Who won the PL handicap last season?

1234 WAS Liverpool, Watford, Man City, Tottenham/Wolves

Tottenham +17

A few more in now - PP odds are very poor 11/1 to 16/1. S(K)YBET big on Liverpool!!

Everton for me, they struggled under Silva initially but improved, reckon they can get 60 points that would put them very close to winning.

West Ham are the bet here. Manager is a shrewdie of the highest order, and they have returning and new players who will make a huge difference to them as an attacking unit.

I'd probably have a bit on Spurs, the squad looks likely to be of the level required to sustain a challenge beyond 28 games, and you'd hope - as a Spurs fan anyway - that they would have a little more luck with injuries. Mostly though, NDombele is a total beast and I'm not sure a lot of people quite get that yet.

Lastly, Watford. Not the first team to get sidetracked by a Cup run, they are a real good side on their day. Unless I've got it very wrong, they are a level above all the teams around their mark.

I am with HGS and TheGoddess.

Brendan Rodgers will do the business with Leicester. +34pts looks a cracking bet.

City off top weight going to take a lot of stopping

Watford for me, they'd have finished very close to Wolves if they hadn't been in the FAC final imo. Wolves get all the hype but I thought they were just as impressive last season.

I'll be looking at teams who I think could improve on last year.

Tottenham, as previously mentioned Ndombele is a great great player and is the type of midfielder Spurs have been crying out for. Provided Kane stays fit they should improve on last years performance. If he could improve them to a 77-80 point team they should be in the mix.

Leicester, already have a decent young side with lots of upside potential. Should they keep that side together Brendan has great 1st/2nd season records with clubs.

Southampton - A new manager with new ideas always takes time to implement but he has similar ideas to Klopp and if he has managed to transition that to the players there could be a huge improvement.

Wolves Nap
Leicester Nb

As much as I like Wolves I am worried about how they will balance the Europa league with a relatively small squad. Many teams have tried and failed in the past.

Man City nap.
Liverpool nb.

Rest don't look like challenging enough more than they did last year to even touch them.

Funny cos I see it totally different - there will be several much harder games for those teams this season precisely because the mid-ranked teams will be better, substantially I think in one or two cases.

no one think villa could go well? Yes lots of new signings but could go well/or finish last
anyway interesting to see how we go this year

I think Man City and Liverpool will find it incredibly difficult to maintain the standards they set last year, Man United and Tottenham will be stronger with no key players having left and some new ones strengthening their teams, Chelsea are 50/50 with Lampard having lost such a great player like Hazard, so a bit like in Golf, the top two teams will miss a few more birdies whilst others will make them bringing them closer together. And other such teams like Watford and West Ham. Surprised to see Sheffield United expected to perform worse than Villa, they had the best defence in the Championship last season and the best goal difference, Villa were 5th!

It's a money thing

only 3 players from the villa team from last year will start this year. Grealish/mcginn/mings.
So no comparison as its a different side. Maybe el ghazi and the keeper but thats it

isn't it around 7 from last season, Steer, Mings, El Mohamady, McGin, Hourinhane, Grealish, El Ghazi? other new players coming from championship, Belgium or Turkey so difficult to assess whether they're PL quality really, but new signings obviously been scouted so could be real finds but not sure. Villa have done well to hold onto Grealish for so long when they could have sold him to Tottenham, now a Premier League player he'l be much more valuable.

dont see elmo or conor starting next year.

Not sure how this h'cap works, presume it's the side which when the + pts are added on to their actual pts at the end of the season to give them their total, so do you have to keep a record of all the teams starting points to figure out who wins. As a Villa fan have to think that we must have a chance with a +48 start with Sportsbook, even if we just avoid relegation that would give us say 40 points, therefore 88. Obviously biased but think we have a chance of top 10 with some very good signings this summer, so if we get say 52 points we would end up with 100, got to go close with that many surely. How many points won it last year?

Liverpool won it, remember they finished 23 (I think) points off the top the year before so were quite well-in as it turned out. Another snip that passed me by

I hope Villa do well mate, and it will be a great testament to DS if they do - they've clearly taken a great risk this summer despite the example of Fulham last season. Then again they've only got to stay up to make it worthwhile.

Thanks, they got rid of most of the older players who probably aren't good enough for the premier league now and have replaced with younger, quicker more skilfull players, a bit ruthless but that's how the game is now. Think we've got in 8 or 9 players and as Prepared said earlier probably only 3 or 4 from last season will start, but we'll still have some strength in depth if Dean can keep them all happy.
How Bournemouth have let Mings go i really don't understand, we've kept Grealish who now he's matured will be a great player in the premier.

@stewarts rise

Exchange one is here

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.160663232

No need to keep a record of the teams' starting points - the handicaps on each team stay the same throughout the season.

Trouble with Mings, he's only ever one stamp on someone's head away from a 12-game ban.

There was a lot of talk about us signing Grealish, but even though he's got something about him, they priced him out of the market last summer at 40m.

I'd be tempted by Palace.

Good team work with a vastly experienced manager.

Bissaka could be replaced with an vastly more experienced international at a huge profit and Zaha doesn't always play the team game. If they could reinvest the profits in a couple of goalscorers or good loans it would be interesting.

There was a lot of talk about us signing Grealish, but even though he's got something about him, they priced him out of the market last summer at 40m.

That was the idea Jet-without him we didn't stand a hope in hell of getting back up, Thankfully Bruce signed McGinn just before he got the heave ho and Deans signing of Mings was a masterstroke to tighten up the defence, will be really disappointed if we don't get 10th to 12th.

Aston Villa +52 (Lads/Coral) - very well in against all others who have priced up - only Newcastle (also +52) have a better relative start.

Jul 24, 2019 -- 8:17AM, GoBallistic wrote:

City off top weight going to take a lot of stopping

agree

last year hills were too generous to the top teams

Hills this season just published

Man City (Scr)
Liverpool +6
Tottenham +19
Arsenal +23
Man Utd +23
Chelsea +24
Leicester +37
Everton +38
Wolves +40
West Ham +40
Southampton +49
Watford +49
Crystal Palace +49
Bournemouth +50
Burnley +52
Aston Villa +54
Newcastle +56
Brighton +56
Norwich +56
Sheff Utd +59

WOW!! A BIG DIFFERENCE OF OPINION WITH THE BOOKIES THIS SEASON

Leicester +37 and Palace + 49 will do for me

Betfair H'Cap a 3 horse race

Pos			P	Pts
1.	Sheffield United (+54)		26	93
2.	Leicester(+34)		25	82
3.	Liverpool (+6)		25	79