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scandalous the way spurs treat him...just like another keeper ronnie simpson was treat at newcastle.
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souness is an odd one.
he played in an era of fierce midfield battles, which he never shirked, but still managed to be a creative player and score his share of goals. surely he would be even better in todays game. george best also would get so much more protection today that he probably would be right up with the greats, not just of britain but the world. |
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as for john terry ?
not as good as jack charlton, imo |
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donny. best without doubt the greatest british player ever. and definitely up there with the worlds best.a genius.
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back in the 60s 70s there were players you had to see, and teams you had to see also
best was top of most lists at my school, in a school without any man utd supporters! sometimes in sport you see a genius at work, and best was very much one. went to newcastle v man utd last night, no best in sight, but pogba is a class act. |
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I would agree on Best as one of the all time greats if not the No 1.
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Possibly would add in a Chris Waddle and Peter Beardsley mention - at their best were pretty unstoppable players.
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Le Tiss?
Spellchecker doesn't agree, auto changed it to Le Toss! |
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beardsley was a great player, always alert to what was going on too
every team should have a beardsley |
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As always with these things the criteria you use has such a bearing. Best and Gascoigne were among the 20 greatest for talent but not for application and consistency. Perfect for highlights programmes and you tube clips. Both undoubtedly brilliant at their best and capable of changing games on their own but also more likely to disappear for a few games than other outstanding players. Its those more reliable players I'd want in my team every time. A Bobby Charlton rather than a George Best. A Steven Gerrard or a Wayne Rooney rather than a Paul Gascoigne. Those players are more likely to help you win trophies which is what it's about. Of course you can't judge players by trophies alone because it's a team game but you have to consider what players offer game in game out rather than just when they have a good game. I'm not particularly knocking Best or Gascoigne as they did have reasonably long careers at the top level and were obviously amongst the most talented we've ever produced. They also to some extent wasted their talent.
I did see mentioned Stan Bowles and Alan Hudson however, and these players despite plenty of flare and some brilliant games wouldn't be in the top 1000. Graeme Souness, John Terry and Bryan Robson on the other hand, whilst not in the top 20 most talented players would be examples of players who brought more to the team than their pure ability. All 3 need considering for an all time top 20 because of the way they galvanised their teams. |
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Notice Roy Keane hasn't got a mention, a very similar player to Souness, surprised no Forest or Man U fans haven't mentioned him.
What about Brian Clough a great goalscorer, but he reckoned John O'Hare had more skill in his little finger than he himslf had in his whole body! Slight exageration imo! |
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Roy Keane was not a particularly talented footballer, Souness was
Plus Souness also had those other qualities that Keane had , so Souness had everything really great skill and aggression etc , a very rare combination |
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John Robertson and Ian Rush should be in the list.
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Eddie Grey much better than Robertson
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roy kean is irish that's why not mentioned. its about uk players
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keane
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Keane is from Ireland not the UK.
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Duncan McKenzie and le tiss carried whole teams when they wanted to.
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DM COULDNT CARRY TISS'S FCKN BOOTS,lightweight who now and again showed flashes
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not many better full backs than ashley cole
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No dispute that Best was No 1 .
Best English player I have ever seen was Duncan Edwards , big and supremely skilful . Charlton and Moore next best . Best Welsh player was John Charles , once picked as the best centre forward in the world , and ALSO as the best centre half in the world . Best Scottish was Dalglish . Goalkeepers have to be ranked seperately . |
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just found out john o hare had more skill than brian clough and hes been my brother-in- law 40 years
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so basically Kelly, everyone from your own generation. Which is what most people fall into when picking any kind of best of: catagory.
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Not that you would, scandanavian.
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John White ,spurs ,was a good player,mick channon southampton another ,but top twenty best ever im not sure.?
bob latchford,fred pickering ,two more that could get into a top team. and of course perer reed |
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No point in offering opinions about people from past generations who you did not see play. I can only go from mid 60's.
Jimmy Greaves was the best i saw. But its hard to compare players from different era's. Can't think of a player in recent years [British] that i could say was pure class. Brassy you must be having a laugh i assume with Peter Reid. |
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Scandanavian , Dalglish not exactly my generation . Re English players , cant remember anyone recent except Gascoigne who would have got near their 1966 team , thats the benchmark for England . None of recent Northern Ireland team players would have got on the 1958 squad , wouldn't even have been allowed to carry the kit bags .
No surprise that the Premier league teams now are mainly driven by foreign nationals , sign of reality re standard of home grown players . |
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The current england team would thrash the 66 team. It's delusional to think otherwise.
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yeah right I can see the likes of ball, charlton peters worrying about matching up against dier, dele and hendo.
Sterling would give Wilson a torrid time, I know greaves didn't play in most of world cup butnot sure whether walker stones and maguire would know which way he went. But all about opinions and fair play to you |
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training moves on , roger bannister would barely get a run for a decent club meeting these days lads of 66 had a bit of bottle and didnt freeze, nor bottle a sami final.... |
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Best
Bale Gascoigne Dalglish |
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Dalglish was a magnificent player, best Liverpool player by a country mile, but he would tell you himself he was behind his former team mates at Celtic regards ability Murdoch and Johnstone.
Jinky was superior to Henrik and that is saying something. Bobby Murdoch (Murdy) was Souness mentor at Boro, what a teacher,what a pupil, 2 brilliant players. When Souness came to Ibrox in the 80's he went looking for Bobby Murdoch in Glasgow to show his respect, a lot of people from both sides of divide in Glasgow don't want to know that story, but it's fcucking true. |
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There appears to be a Liverpool bias. I wouldn't put Barnes or Keegan in the top 20, instead I'd have Gazza and Bryan Robson.
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Gazza most overrated UK player ever.
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Gazza 2 biggest games, he starts crying in both once because he foolishly got booked and other because he foolishly got injured and you want him in top 20 best players, are you a lunatic ?
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It's official... MALAY IS MENTAL!!
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when did gazza ever play in big matches and win ? European cup finals ? he won the league in Scotland when celtic were skint
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Please enlighten us with gazza's magnificent achievements as a great player emitdeb ?
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phil neville won 6 legue titles so trophies are a red herring.
Gascoigne's pure raw talent is as good as it gets with English players, just a shame about injuries. Le Tissier also never won anything, but he was a top top drawer player. |