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It's always been there , like 'crowd participation' , so should the authorities try to eradicate it ?
Whilst I despise racial abuse , which has no place in modern society , surely the general haranguing of opposition players cannot be outlawed . It's another aspect of home advantage . Radio phone ins are rightfully condemning the treatment dished out to Raheem Sterling by certain Chelsea fans , but some are calling for the banning of all verbal abuse of players . What are they going to push for next ? A 'play-list' of acceptable songs to be sung from the terraces by opposing supporters ? The introduction of all-seater stadia had a detrimental effect on the atmosphere in our football grounds but a total ban on 'football banter' would sound the death knell .
Whilst I despise racial abuse , which has no place in modern society , surely the general haranguing of opposition players cannot be outlawed . It's another aspect of home advantage . Radio phone ins are rightfully condemning the treatment dished out to Raheem Sterling by certain Chelsea fans , but some are calling for the banning of all verbal abuse of players . What are they going to push for next ? A 'play-list' of acceptable songs to be sung from the terraces by opposing supporters ? The introduction of all-seater stadia had a detrimental effect on the atmosphere in our football grounds but a total ban on 'football banter' would sound the death knell .
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If they did it to someone in the street would that be acceptable behaviour? Ban it I say.
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I agree about racial abuse but the fact is players get abuse from opposing fans if football kits were designed to be all in ones with full head cover the opposing fans would still abuse the opposing players they just wouldn’t have racial overtones
When someone shouts abuse they often add the most striking visual feature to the abuse the. Followed by what they think they know about the person So if a player was say more rotund the abuse would relate to this and fat would be the adjective if they had red hair then ginger would be the adjective a persons place of birth or nationality also would be an adjective The colour of someone’s skin also an adjective these are used by someone whose verbally abusing you so it’s not really unexpected even if it’s unwarranted of course it’s wrong but you can’t stop individuals from doing it if it’s in their nature Abusivelanguage is never complimentary and is always littered with the most easy reconiseable feature |
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I remember my dear mother hurling abuse at Mick Mills from the Chicken Run after he ran his studs down Billy Bonds leg . I think people were more amused than offended . Football always brought the worse out of mother lol . No harm done
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No opposition player would escape abuse from the supporters in the Chicken Run.
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if you cant find some way to abuse a player without refering to racism
or generalisations then perhaps you shouldnt be abusing the players. |
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Notorious enclosures , such as the Chicken Run , are often affectionately referred to in anecdotes by ex-footballers . They seemed to accept that it was one aspect of The Boleyn that made it a 'fortress' especially under floodlights , for some reason . The banter and the humour of the occupants , even the abuse is fondly remembered by many . Football grounds have been over-sanitised due to recent legislation (some necessary on grounds of H&S) but to remove it completely would kill what little atmosphere we have retained .
themover • December 11, 2018 11:25 AM GMT If they did it to someone in the street would that be acceptable behaviour? I agree totally but we aren't talking about a public thoroughfare , we're talking about football grounds . Half the challenges that occur within them would be deemed unacceptable in the street ! Working class spectators and industrial language have long been associated with the national game . Why try to change things ? |
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I agree with you , donny , just keep out the racist comments . Everything else is fair game
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Chelsea fan claiming he called Sterling a 'Manc C' not a 'Black C' now....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6481297/Chelsea-fan-accused-racially-abusing-Sterling-says-called-MANC-c-not-black-one.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490 |
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yeah, right...dont tell me, he also reckons he's got mates who is black?
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Maybe fans should adopt the players approach and cover their mouths when speaking, that way no chance of being lip read.
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I'm guessing Alf Garnett would have got a life ban then ?
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The Mail quoted the supporter as saying: “I’m deeply ashamed by my own behaviour and I feel really bad. But I didn’t call him a ***** ****, I called him a Manc ****.
“I’ve been going to Chelsea for 50 years now and, because of where I sit, I’m picked up on the camera most weeks. If I had a history of saying this sort of thing I would’ve been caught by now.” The Mail further quoted the fan as saying he had lost his job and Chelsea season ticket and as adding: “I offer him an unreserved apology. Even if it wasn’t racist, it’s not right what I said.” |
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surprised at the Daily Mail sticking up for a racist
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So we cant upset the overpaid prime Donnas now, fair enough when they score don't run past cupping their ear or shooshing fans etc etc or just standing there winding up the fans. Go to their own fans. Pity the old dog track is still not round the ground so the over sensitive types wouldn't be able to hear it.
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i recall seeing a black lad in row behind, maybe ask him how he feels every saturday. ??
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Morgan Freeman gave the best answer ever when asked in a TV interview what's the best way to tackle racism. "Simple" he said. "Don't talk about it".
I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of people are not racist. So by feeding the small minority of pondlife the oxygen of publicity, it's never going to die. |
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Gazza was a woman beater weren't he?
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Media blowing it all out of proportion and never said anything when it really was rife
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Chelsea knuckle draggers have form. Imagine taking your kids to a match and sitting near them.
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An on OP no. This is where the slippery slope begins, it's when people start passing thing as banter or part of the game and so on which are actually just massively racist/sexist and so on.
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Agree 100% with n88uk. "Banter" must be one of the most abused words in the English language.
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The bullsh1t over this story is piling so high you need wings to stay above it.
Sterling is a bit of a dick but no one deserves to be called a 'manc c@nt'. But thats all it was. I would suggest that if the standards applied to this chelsea fan are applied to the liv utd game this sunday then they may as well play it behind closed doors. |
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c@nt maybe, manc hardly
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Going to go silly now, bloke on The Debate now suggesting that you shouldn't call a player "lazy" who hasn't pulled his weight if he happens to be black because it has "connotations"
 What happens when Sterling has a real bad game in future!!! 9/10 would be my guess. The print media who he's called out will be scared to death now. |
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if sterling was lazy you could call him lazy, he isnt lazy though, so why even suggest it
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The bloke was referring to Lukaku being described as lazy whilst Morata was described as being "laconic"
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sorry duffy, i didnt know that, has that post gone?
i thought jose got the blame for lukakus lack of workrate these days |
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Darren Lewis said it on "the debate" on sky sports.
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Danny Murphy remarked how he was doing a game with Gullit one time and referrred to a black player as a beast, he was obviously praising the guy, but Gullit asked him if he would use that term if the player had been white....Murphy said that it made him think somewhat!!!! Discussing whether a lot of us are guilty of unconscious racism.
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billy whitehurst was often referred to as being a beast or a monster
i dont see what the term has to do with race, fairly similar to lazy. most folk dont worry about stuff because they are not racist, but if something they say is offensive then they will offer explanation, and if still required an apology. the suggestion that some folk rush to find offence when non is intended nor exists is also true of some folk. |
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uffy 12 Dec 18 14:32
Danny Murphy remarked how he was doing a game with Gullit one time and referrred to a black player as a beast, he was obviously praising the guy, but Gullit asked him if he would use that term if the player had been white....Murphy said that it made him think somewhat!!!! Discussing whether a lot of us are guilty of unconscious racism. Dennis Skinner is white. |
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Sterling's negativity stems back to when he left Liverpool and then the gun tattoo. In some peoples mind's, the tattoo could be construed as a foolish choice when weighed against the current culture. Sterling explains himself and the public is expected to accept it.
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that's the point, why should murphy question himself , if anything its guliit that's the racist if he connects the word beast with been black, that's the point piers morgan was making with the loony carlise
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sterlings problems stem from taking 100 games to even look like a footballer ,missing open goals,shinning shots, etc,etc, been caught doing shishi pipes, fathering umpteen kids ,tattoo,,doing the kissing the badge routine at l,pool, showboating in the derby etc,etc
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sterling got abuse at liverpool, but had suarez to kop most of the flak.
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I just think it's really sad that men in their 50's feel the need to shout at any footballer like that.I could understand kids as they are still maturing and don't know any better.But grown men.sad.
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what a massive bag of bollocks this is.darren lewis has got a problem with calling paul progba lazy. would he have a problem if i said he was bang overrated? lacks football intelligence? and got a attitude problem? dear o dear what is this country coming to.and by the way iam not racist i just have an opinion.
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